@pampers

Mac Mini will be good for those wanting the fastest speed available (1.5GHz or 1.58GHz overclocked) and the compact size of the case, at the loss of connection/expandability options of the Peg.

The Pegasos2 will still be good for those wanting the flexibility coming from the better connection/expandability options, at the loss of the speed of the Mac Mini.

I won't need an expandability of Pegasos. MacMini has sound card on board, and ATI gfx card as well. Hopefully Airport is gonna be supported as well. That's enough for me :)

I just bought a beautiful and silent PowerMac G4 PPC. It is brand new and I took it in a great price. Are there any chances to see MorphOS 3 running in those kind of machines?

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MANY Mac users did hear of Amiga because many of them had an Amiga because many people owned Amiga back in those days, as simple as that. You've got a point with the LIVE CD - I think it is a crucial milestone for Minis, hopefully will be released eventually. Now THAT's a way to try MOS. One more, I mean why to bother - just count MacMini PPC users base.

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My points they will:

1. MOS for Minis shouldn't be troublesome as long as it is gonna be able to be installed on a MACOS-made partition, preserving the current installation (that isn't a must), and also providing simple booting option (e.g. OSX as default)

2. MOS is CHEAP. Apple people spend much money on everything, actually I think personal Mac software sales might outperform Windows software sales (or be comparable maybe). So it is NOT an expense for having such an Apple-gadget, being another OS particularily

3. There is enough software for MorphOS! I mean as an entertainment desktop, not as a productive tool. mac people don't mind having fewer software options than e.g. Windows or linux users, much software is simply cool. So why multiplying apps that don't do much or do the same or almost serve their initial purpose, almost?

4. Even if some Mac people would express interest in MorphOS, not been having Amiga, consider mac people mentality (or maybe I just saw too many ads):

a) Mac people bought Mac for a reason
b) they may have Windows as a second system but not necessarily, Mac is prime system for most anyway
c) they may have Linux as a second system but in most cases OSX is Unix-like-enough to think of Linux, also there is much opensource software for macs, ported, natively-compiled from source or else
d) they like to experiment for sake of progress and uniqueness (e.g. see Tables, Mesa, iWork etc.)
e) they don't like mainstream Windows anyway, they despise Linux, "free but sucks though" (yeah!)
f) they always check for new potentially productive or entertaining solutions
g) their PPCMinis are pretty slow in 2009 already and are becoming a bit useless, like mine - thus they plan or have already a new desktop machine
h) a new OS to be hosted on their Minis seems a challenge... many would take up, you'll see

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Fortunately much stuff is free, guaranteeing prompt build-up of a home-desktop MOS.

The most killer app here is...

marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing

And I don't mean money, I mean smart actions.

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PSTN modem support should be much easier.

Do you really think that mac users will be interested on morphos? They havtheirs intel based macs and with snow leopard (what a name for oses heheh) ppc has no more support, they sell ppc machines like retro hardware in some cases and dont forget the "think different" slogan, anything outside osx is un-intuituve un-usable and no cool.

Morphos is perfect for amiga users and some people more, dont take this personal just its my opinion.

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http://www.amitopiatv.com/ATV/AmitopiaTV-AmiReporters20Apr09.avi

> http://www.amitopiatv.com/ATV/AmitopiaTV-AmiReporters20Apr09.avi

The only thing in this MorphOS on Mac mini video that comes somewhat close to an answer to CountRaven's question about PowerMac support is at 9:05. To be precise, the question and answer there are not about PowerMac either, but about iBook and PowerBook.

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MorphOS IS thinking different! MOS wouldn't be an oudside-osx- thing, just a joke to do something with dying Mini and see what happens. Those Minis I'm talking about aren't main machine anymore. They're considered a disabled machine, merely giving argument not to get rid of it. And "think different" actually means "down for Windows, down for Linux", believe me. And also "all Apple stuff is cool" but this is a result of the first translation, not the translation itself.

Many Mac people either got rid of their MacMini PPC or they just plan to, this hardware is becoming obsolete. But instead of throwing it away, PPC Macs mostly serve some lightweight purpose now - like Web browsing, nothing more. So yes, spending 150 Eur, $, quids whatever, is nothing to reincarnate their nearly dead Mini into SOMETHING. As I said many times no Mac user would want Windows or Linux or PPC dying Mini. MorphOS IS thinking different, that's for sure.

Can't you guys see how obvious this is???

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MorphOS is AIMED at amiga users but as UAE4ALLs60 retained some extra Nokia users, MorphOS or AmigaOS4 have this potential, too. By saying it doesn't, the person actually says MOS/AOS sucks.

Besides amiga users are also ex-amiga users, please, COUNT THE NUMBERS!!! How many of them did own A500? Jeez... Many forgot, other saw Commodore's demise so they think it is a history. Well they should know it's not a history anymore, then please let them decide.

BTW I don't take personal anything here but you guys repeat your moaning no one is interested in PPC Mini MorphOS. Please, make some effort and try to respond to my argements instead.

[ Edited by DiskDoctor on 2009/5/4 9:41 ]

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Great...

Can someone subtitle it or make a transcript for us, poor english readers ?




[ Edited by ZB on 2009/5/4 13:49 ]

[ Edited by ZB on 2009/5/4 15:07 ]

@DiskDoctor

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Do you realise how old those people are now? They have got a wife, kids, real jobs, fast boats, you know, that old people stuff. Many of us posting here are over 30 already.

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I am sure there is interest in PPC Mini MorphOS but I would not expect more interest than on, lets say, Linux/PPC.

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Well I am over 30, got a job, wife, kid etc. No boat. That's my point - those people CAN afford a gadget OS now!

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No way. Mac people have a Unix-like system or just do not want Linux. Most people know it anyway. But MorphOS on an obsolete Minis - that's a challenge. Besides, it is beautiful and thus resembles Mac OS X. No Linux or windows looks that nice, I mean when out-of-the-box. (Vista maybe cuz many stuff is simply OSX rip-off).

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... which i'd call quiet a success. Not so much from a business POV, but from the current user base. Currently there are about 500 *active* Morphers out there, I'd guess. Dunno how popular Linux PPC on the Mini actually is (I guess not very popular), but if MorphOS for the Mini will enlarge the user number by, say, 5 that would be quite a step forward.
Unfortunately MorphOS will probably not become a popular OS. But that shouldn't take us down or hold us back from enjoying it.
With a slightly increased user base some things may become easier (bounties could become bigger, a few more coders may join, a bit broader coverage of the OS at some internet pages), but the situation will probably not change dastiacally. Though I still believe MorphOS has a higher potential. But it is actually very difficult to communicate that outside our geek world. The last chances to get a higher popularity went down the drain when the PPC left the desktop market (and progessingly now huge parts of the embedded world, too).

My MorphOS motto: We're Doomed, but having fun
And that's it - really. And that's not about a head stuck into the sand, but about realismn. If we lucky more ppl will join this butterfly club, if not - well I am morpher since many years now (when was the 0.4 release?? About 10 years ago?) - the situation was never really good (but always fun!), and I am still onboard. And so are many of us.

Edit: I still beleive if the goal actually is to increase the user base (which I would applaude to) with the Mini release the retail price should be reduced to 99,- EUR. Or even less. A low price tag could attract some ppl to give it a try (I know there is the trail version, but that's not the same).

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I share the same positive negativity as you. Being a lucrative business is boring, there are already too many of them. No pain no fun!

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Doh,
don't remember me how old I am Itix, please!
And btw I have not a boat (excluding my 15 years old windsurf:-)) but I've got a PPC Mac just in case

Hola!

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Absolutely!

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It is really hard to find the figures. best guess is 5000-30000. There are several distributions listed, probably UbuntuPPC makes the largest base.

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No one says it will. But what I claim is after PPC Mini release, the userbase will become significantly larger.

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I say smart marketing via apple.com/downloads, plus reviews etc. Man, Morph OS is Apple software, too (requirements: MacMiniPPC, OSX - any) Besides those PPC Linuxes must have been reviewed on apple boards already, why not MorphOS then? It is possible to communicate but instead of people googling for MOS or coming here for curiosity, the song should be diverted to some places known.

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Is there anyone saying there ain't gonna be new users after Minis?? Well if this info was kept here only, possibly maybe... But that would be stupid really.

The situation now is a chance to change MorphOS status from geek OS to hobbyist OS.

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This would make Apple Mini users promptly buy a license, those slightly interested.

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This is unnecessary but... That would be good to use some e.g. money, license #, just to promote the product, I mean contests, give-aways, limited time promos, coupons etc. I mean Mac forums mostly. Now THIS is gonna work definitely. Also Live CD distro, a guy here suggested already.

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@diskdoctor

Im not share your opinion, morph os is not apple software, can run in macmini ppc like all flavours of linux nothing more, you talking about a new comercial market for morphos in the mac world, thats wrong i think, morphos is like a new hope in amiga oses made by users from users, dont need any slogan or idea like "think different" just need keed the old spirit improved.

Sorry for my english.

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You misunderstood.

I didn't mean MorphOS is Apple software literally... I meant it's cool enough to get it for one's Mini, especially when there's not much more one can do with /for his / her PPC Mini.

I'm definitely NOT calling any commercial market. I say this is a chance for MorphOS to be more recognized. Someone here said it would yield bigger bounties, there's more, some Linux devs might like it etc.

MorphOS IS an Amiga OS for Amigans of any sorts. As I said, improvement would be beneficial for Amiga people ONLY. That's why I keep posting. I mean either any actions I'm quoting fail or succeed, why not give it a try since more fine apps might appear in turn for MorphOS, as simple as that.

for those who keep talkin about the need of a morphos live cd: havent you realized that morphosboot (os release) is a live cd?

> when was the 0.4 release?? About 10 years ago?

Yes, 8 years and 3 months to be precise :-)

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Yes, but will it still remain that way for the MacMini? I hope so, as it will attract many more people to give it a try that otherwise would not bother and risk messing up their MacOSX installation.

Unlike the DiskDoctor, I do not agree that most Mac users like to experiment with their computers. Remember that MacOS is much more closed in general to it's users and many Mac buyers choose the MacOS for its ease of use compared to Windows old configuration hassles and unreliability. Many Mac users are more tech savvy than their Windows counterparts, but not all of them are geeks. My 79 year old Father and 81 year old Mother are two such examples, who use Macs because they are easy. They just plug them in and turn them on. If they need to hook up to the Internet or use a new printer the MacOS does 90% to 100% of the work for them, unlike Windows which I have been trying to get to recognize a network printer for the past 4 hours. For the most part, Macs just work, Windows just sucks and Amiga/Morph is just FUN!

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Read all about it on these ANN.lu links (don't forget to read the comments as well for a nostalgia trip):

02-Aug-2000: MorphOS First Beta

17-Oct-2000: MorphOS Second Beta

15-Feb-2001: MorphOS Third Beta

:-)

@takemehomegrandma

Nice (?) trip in the past...
Altough it's sad to read over and over the years the same b....it spread by the very same people, it's also so nice to be here after more than 8 years speaking and awaiting for new releases of MorphOS, the best hobby OS ever made!!!



[ Edited by maurensen on 2009/5/6 10:09 ]

Hey, great nostalgia links abut the first three betas of MorphOS!!! Thanks! Some guys on the IRC once talked about the previous name of the ambient environment but I can not recall the name, cna anyboody -or it was probably a different environment than ambent used in proto MorphOS versions-. Are there any screenshots from those early versions?

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The predecessor of Ambient was called Workbench and has been developed by Commodore. At least I used Workbench in the 0.x times. To my knowledge there was never another desktop than Ambient provided by the MorphOS-team.