Software : : First Public Release of New Wayfarer Web Browser
Posted By: jacadcaps. on 2020/10/4 15:30:43
First Public Release of New Wayfarer Web Browser Wayfarer, a new web browser based on a modern mid-2020 branch of WebKit is now available for download from wayfarer.icu. This new app makes it possible to browse most of the web that have become off-limits for Odyssey with its ageing engine. Google apps like Docs, Drive and Maps with Street view are supported just as the Whatsapp or Telegram web interfaces.

Wayfarer will work on any machine running the brand new MorphOS 3.14 with at least 1GB of RAM. A 1.5GHz or faster CPU is recommended.

This port has been made possible by the concerted effort of the MorphOS developers, the MorphOS beta testers, translators and all of the users who donated to the project.
 
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    Posted with morphos3.14 and Wayfarer....impressive!
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    Very good job !!! thanks
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    Great, I guess I have to dig out my Powermac... So OWB is the MorphOS' equivalent to the IE11, and Wayfarer to Edge? :)
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    I can't wait to try this!
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    I am pretty impressed - this is cool stuff indeed!

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    edit: first (polishing) behavioral change request: I like the Odyssey way of paging down when pressing space by not going down an entire page, but a little less. Improves reading flow of texts a lot. If that could be copycated I'd be very happy.

    But beside from that: hats off - really impressive work!

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    Tried it, great work!
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    Installed.
    Bye bye OWB! :)
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    Another 3.14 and Wayfarer posting here. Thanks you guys. Looks good.
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    Very very good work. I like how usable and stable the Wayfarer is in its first version. Jacek, you're a big boss :) Thank you.
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    Haven't it tested so far, but awesome work jacadcaps!
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    Big thanks to Jacadcaps.

    This is the whole reason I bought two new licences for Morphos this year and also why after getting my MacMini I looked at getting a PowerBook as well (more power - still small size).

    For a 1.0 release it is really impressive. Keen to see where it will go from here.

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    This is the most impressive individual piece of software for MorphOS so far, IMHO/AFAIK! :bloons:

    One slight issue, we've lost the keyboard editing keys, such as using Ctrl+LCursor/RCursor to jump a word at a time along a line of text, and delete a word at a time with Ctrl+Del/Backspace, and probably other keypresses as well, including an Undo/Redo option.

    Also, on some sites, such as PayPal the Account image (Bell) and (Cog) are not displayed correctly, well there's no image at all, just a "placeholder" image frame.

    On Parcel2Go I can now at last now login with Wayfarer - That's GREAT, but the main webpage image, once I've logged in then disappears to another image "placeholder" frame. This may occur on other sites as well, but I've come across it on PayPal and Parcel2go so far.

    There's no individual cookie management, or deletion within the settings as such, well I've not found any as yet. I know Wayfarer has only just been released, but it seems to be an issue worth mentioning, you probably already know of this situation.

    I'm very pleased with the rendering speed, and memory use - so far, very pleased indeed. 8-D

    I also never save Passwords, so getting a requester to save them is very troublesome, and I just wish I could switch that feature off entirely, as it's of no use to me.

    PayPal allowed me, using Wayfarer, which OWB no longer allows, to go successfully through the process to send you a donation, as I said I would, so that's good. However, they offer management of the cookies then after you've switched cookies off apart from essential they switch the others back on as you save that setting, so then you can't change the cookies again, until they expire, unless someone else knows a way to do it within the settings or program.

    With OWB there are verification boxes, AFAIR, for smileys and BB Code options at the bottom left of the edit field of these pages, those do not appear with Wayfarer.

    With ebay I had to spoof as Safari as Wayfarer just left me with a blank screen when I tried to go through the login process.

    Some of the bookmarks I have didn't get converted over using the conversion option to make them .json files, and the quick/fast links option I miss as well, so I hope those are implementable in the fullness of time. I haven't checked as yet if middle clicking on a bookmark will actually load the bookmark in a separate Tab or if there is a right-click option over a bookmark entry that offers a menu to open the bookmark in a new Tab or in a New Window, etc., but I'll check for that, as that would be a handy feature.

    I'll leave it at that for now, but this is a major step forward for MorphOS with regard to having a useable modern web-browser, and I can't wait for other features, video/audio and other minor niggles being addressed in the future to make this a really fantastic browser.
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    Quote:

    This is the most impressive individual piece of software for MorphOS so far, IMHO/AFAIK!


    Thank you. I've noted down some of your requests - the one not already on the long todo list I have. The focus was on getting a browser that's as good at doing HTML as we can get on big endian. Some UI tweaking had to be put on hold until a later date. Even before this release it took me 2 weeks to track down a very nasty memory trashing bug deep in WebCore...
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    Just a small bug report. Logged into my gmail, I'm using the old, html style and the selection boxes to the left of the messages are missing.
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    @vulture

    Use Iris :) You can also try to switch the CSS style sheet from MUI to Built-In in Wayfarer's settings. Let me know if that helps.
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    Some of the bookmarks I have didn't get converted over using the conversion option to make them .json files

    What kind of bookmarks didn't get converted? Or were they just under submenus that don't show up in the Bookmarks pull-down menu, but would show up in the Bookmarks tab ("Manage...")?
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    I'll add in that the following remark/Quote was from me - NewSense ...
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    Some of the bookmarks I have didn't get converted over using the conversion option to make them .json files

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    jPV: What kind of bookmarks didn't get converted? Or were they just under submenus that don't show up in the Bookmarks pull-down menu, but would show up in the Bookmarks tab ("Manage...")?

    You're correct on the 2nd remark - they were hidden/didn't show up due to the levels of bookmarks allowed to be displayed with this 1st release, but were actually converted and showed within the "Manage" option.

    Whatever limitations there are currently within Wayfarer . . . it's a really fantastic 1st release, and far more than I expected, and so quickly expedited by jacadcaps ... and others, and of course "Piru" should get a mention that's not forgetting the other betatesters, so BIG thanks to all involved . . . that's not forgetting that MorphOS v3.14 has also just been released as well . . . Phew !!. Not much actually "New" (aside from Scout - another jacadcaps implementation) in there, but lots of work/fixes all the same, so thanks to the whole MorphOS Development team also - so maybe it's time for a short period of relaxation, some R&R . . . . . Right, that's enough . . . back to the grindstone !! 8-D
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    I'll add in that the following remark/Quote was from me - NewSense ...
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    Some of the bookmarks I have didn't get converted over using the conversion option to make them .json files

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    jPV: What kind of bookmarks didn't get converted? Or were they just under submenus that don't show up in the Bookmarks pull-down menu, but would show up in the Bookmarks tab ("Manage...")?

    You're correct on the 2nd remark - they were hidden/didn't show up due to the levels of bookmarks allowed to be displayed with this 1st release, but were actually converted and showed within the "Manage" option.


    This is actually a limitation of Intuition (IIRC), which doesn't allow more than one level of submenus on any programs. OWB doesn't show these either, but people are probably using quick links or the Bookmarks window and don't remember it :)
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    @ jPV - on OWB I have numerous bookmarks that have option where 2 levels of bookmarks are stored/accessible, in a way that: they display....

    Bookmarks - Games > ScummVM > Broken Sword
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Broken Sword 2
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Day Of The Tentacle
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Maniac Mansion

    etc. and I have numerous (40+) bookmarks that work that way, so it's not an Intuition thing AFAIK? :-?

    In the Games menu I also have submenus for X-Plane, Knights and Merchants, Flight Sim Add-ons, etc. it's not like I have ONLY ScummVM that works this way, as I have a multitude of sub-menus with submenus, at least 2 levels deep.

    [ Edited by NewSense On 2020/10/7 8:21 ]
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    Great, I guess I have to dig out my Powermac... So OWB is the MorphOS' equivalent to the IE11, and Wayfarer to Edge? :)
    For sure!
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    @ jacadcaps - You can also try to switch the CSS style sheet from MUI to Built-In in Wayfarer's settings. Let me know if that helps.

    I know that comment was intended for something slightly different, AFAIK, but changing to "CSS - Built-In" with Parcel2Go - the main webpage images still don't show up, with PayPal - the "Bell" and "Cog" images are still placeholders, and on Morph.zone the "Enable Smileys" and "Enable BB Code" tick boxes don't get rendered. There are probably lots of other sites that have issues like these, but if you fix these then the others may well get remedied as they will probably use the same code implementation, as I'm sure you realise.
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    @ jPV - on OWB I have numerous bookmarks that have option where 2 levels of bookmarks are stored/accessible, in a way that: they display....

    I looked at this again now, and it seems that while Wayfarer just skips the deeper level menus, OWB shows them, but flattens into the second level and still doesn't create any deeper menus.

    Here's how it is in Odyssey: owbbookmarks.png

    And here's how it is in Wayfarer: wfbookmarks.png

    So, maybe Wayfarer could be improved to flatten these deep menus too?

    [ Edited by jPV On 2020/10/7 18:52 ]
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    One day I'll remove the limitation from intuition library. Until then, it'll be as it is.
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    @jacadcaps

    same happens with built-in css. No biggie, of course, but just to let you know :)
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    Yes, I've already found the cause. Will be corrected in v1.1.
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    One day I'll remove the limitation from intuition library. Until then, it'll be as it is.

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    @ jPV - on OWB I have numerous bookmarks that have option where 2 levels of bookmarks are stored/accessible, in a way that: they display....

    Bookmarks - Games > ScummVM > Broken Sword
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Broken Sword 2
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Day Of The Tentacle
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Maniac Mansion

    etc. and I have numerous (40+) bookmarks that work that way, so it's not an Intuition thing AFAIK? :-?

    In the Games menu I also have submenus for X-Plane, Knights and Merchants, Flight Sim Add-ons, etc. it's not like I have ONLY ScummVM that works this way, as I have a multitude of sub-menus with submenus, at least 2 levels deep.

    More observations about this. If you set "MUI Settings -> Menus -> Global Menus" to something else than "Like System Menus" then you get MUI's custom menus that are several levels deep on OWB! So, "Like System Menus" uses the Intuition menus and have the restriction, and I think this is the default setting. NewSense himself or Chrysalis pack or something has probably changed this for him, and that gives the different behaviour to my setup.

    But this setting doesn't seem to help with Wayfarer...
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    @ jPV - If you set "MUI Settings -> Menus -> Global Menus" to something else than "Like System Menus" then you get MUI's custom menus that are several levels deep on OWB!

    No that's not applicable, as my MUI Settings > Menus > Global Menus, are active via the Appearance option button as "Like System Menus", so I don't have any setting of that type to affect OWB.
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    @ jPV - So, "Like System Menus" uses the Intuition menus and have the restriction, and I think this is the default setting. NewSense himself or Chrysalis pack or something has probably changed this for him, and that gives the different behaviour to my setup.

    I don't know what your setup is exactly as there are so many paramteres that can affect MorphOS and the way it behaves, but the way I setup OWB was to "Add Group" for a grouped menu, then when I wanted several similar links in the same sub-menu I then did another "Add Group" and dragged that into the already created "Group" - hey presto, new sub-menu, that I could then drag another link into the SubMenu's-> SubMenu
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    @ jPV - But this setting doesn't seem to help with Wayfarer...

    You seem to be correct there, as even if you use the method above the New Group does not show in the Bookmark list as a nested submenu- so there are currently no options to create visible submenus with additional submenus in Wayfarer.

    Let's not forget here that this sub-menu option is still possible, and works in OWB, so I don't see a reason why it cannot be implemented in Wayfarer, as we are still using MorphOS, and OWB still works with this menu/group/sub-menu system, so surely it can be made to function with Wayfarer. 8-D

    Also, what seems to be a fact - that you cannot show the Active Tab as different colour/texture/pattern, as you should be able to do with MUI, may just be a "bug" in Wayfarer!

    In any case it's early days in its development/first release, and seeing as that's the case any such issue could be something in the code that has been overlooked and created this issue, and this Sub->Sub-menu option may be something just like that - another "bug".

    Also, if there are no Sub-menus(Groups)/Sub-menus(sub-Groups) then we are going to quickly run out of monitor/screen space with really long sub-menus, scrolling off the bottom of the window of the Wayfarer page, which unless menu scrolling is implemented, will mean opining the "Manage" button each time and Copy each required bookmark entry, that goes past the point where the menu goes off the webpage/screen to Copy the link and Paste it into the URL field each time a bookmark is required that you cannot access via an on-screen bookmark menu.

    So, unless Bookmark menu scrolling is implemented then it would be pointless (almost) having Bookmarks after the point where they reach the bottom of the screen (ending the viewable Bookmark menu) so you cannot use the Bookmark Menu feature beyond that last viewable sub-menu.

    So, this Bookmark issue needs addressing/fixing, as it is an extremely useful menu while web-browsing, so if it doesn't work effectively then we would be losing a great proportion of its useability!

    I also realise when I log into my webmail the site loads an SVG logo in the centre, and with Wayfarer this only a "placeholder" so I'm wondering if the issue with these images on webpages is related to that SVG issue?

    [ Edited by NewSense On 2020/10/9 8:09 ]
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    Nice to see a new Web browser.
    Since a 1.5Ghz cpu is recommended, will it even work for those of us with G4 Pegasos II?
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    @ Furvert

    You can start and use the app but performance will be substantially better on a system that meets the minimum requirements.

    In fact, the Pegasos mainboards have fairly slow memory so performance would not be great even if you had a hypothetical 1.5 Ghz CPU card for your Pegasos.
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    You can start and use the app but performance will be substantially better on a system that meets the minimum requirements.

    In fact, the Pegasos mainboards have fairly slow memory so performance would not be great even if you had a hypothetical 1.5 Ghz CPU card for your Pegasos.


    Thanks! I thought that might have been the case. I was downloading it even as I wrote here.
    I hadn't thought about the Ram speed.

    I have a dual G5 that's set to dual boot but not been able to update or get the key for it yet.
    Guess this is one more reason to push for that.
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