My idea, taken some things from Donar...


- Designed for PPC97X (dual compatible)
- Up to 1Ghz processor bus (or more)
- PC3200 or faster
- Firewire 800 (or more)
- USB 2.0 (using the full speed of this)
- 3 GigE ports or more (very useful for networking)
- Digital Audio In
- Digital Audio Out ( Dolby Digital 5.1 to 7.1 compatible?)
- Fully IRDA compatible (and then you can use a remote controller and others things)
- Standard MicroATX Formfactor (MicroATX rulez!)
- AGP 8x (the higher standard of AGP available preferable)
- PCI-X/PCI Express

Yeah, I like this, but I think, that with that specs price will be ~2000-3000$ :)

> So after the Pegasos II finally arrived, what do you want in Pegasos III?
> Maybe we can give the developers some clues what we want.

Naaa,
it's useless: they don't hear about what we ask.

nah, not enough. by the time they make the board it will be low-end ;)

@Miky060
Well offcourse they won't listen to you and me ...

1st they have to see what chips they can actually get and use from Marvell,IBM
and VIA, than their options will be reduced to what these offer.

After that they will have to decide which market could take several 1000s of boards
at what price-point and with what requirements.

And finally they will have to design a board that is attractive to that market both
in price and features/performance.

Maybe and only maybe that board will also suit some of our wishes, but that would
be just coincedent.

i want a 2 gig g5 super board with all the bells and whisels........ya that would be nice....and mabey an actual bell and one or 2 whisles hehe

Hi everybody,

Xmas is over now and its of course time to make a new wishlish for next christmas - for a Pegasos III.

But instead of just building a collection of cool sounding features and buzz words we should think
about what Amiga and MorphOS actually can support.


Wish:
I would like to have a cool supercomputer.
With at least 8 processors each 64 bits.

Fact:
Amiga OS and all Amiga OS clones only
support one CPU.
64 bit doesn't give any advantage as all.



My personal opservation:

MorphOS runs much faster on a 1000Mhz G4
than MacOS X or Linux on a Dual 970.

If we consider that multiprocessor and 64 bits
is of no value for AmigaOS/MorhOS than the Pegasos II is maybe of one of the best possible Amiga designs ever !

And the Pegasos II has still much room to expand.
The G4 is available in high clockrates,
today up to 1.4 Ghz

Faster G4 and much faster IBM G3 are announced.
Both claim to reach 2 GHz at 2004.
Those CPUs can easily used to upgrade
the current Pegasos family.

The newt G3 750vx and the G4-RM will provide
better support for faster DDR ram.

My hope/wish for the Pegasos III is to provide
good support for those G3 or G4 chips with DDR.
IBM has announced that the will soon scale the G3 up to a speed 5 times faster then the Pegasos I was. I hope that Genesi will the next generation G4/G3 CPU to build fast and cool computers which
are cooler and cheaper than 970 based systems.


Cheers
Gunnar

Pegasos III will finds it's way into a TV-set imho.
The Dreambox 7000S is a settopbox running Linux with a
PPC 250 MHz processor and an ethernet connection
video in/out - audio in/out DVB etc.

I like the concept of "Cool Computing", that's why I bought a G3 CPU. I wouldn't by a G5 right now... I'd like to see a Pegasos inside a B5-sized mini-laptop, rather than a monster-sized-noise-making-room-heater G5 desktop.

But, of course, I would prefer a G5 rather than AMD/Intel alternatives in desktops

Better just proceed with little sensible steps. I bet no-one want more HW bugfix rounds.

Look at what northbridges are available and live with them.

I think things like AGP4x and dual CPU cards are more important than a 64bit CPU. But if the next northbridge already supports PPC970, then why not...

Some special favorites: a geek/custom (still low cost) expansion port would be nice ...and ... the AmigaOS dongle would also deliver a thousand or two more users...

I want the Holy Grail !

Since I don't have a Pegasos (yet) this is speculative. But..

Why not make the main board even smaller? The real hot spot for using PegII would be as tiny-and-quiet media boxes etc. The current mainboard is still too big for that.

This is where the PC industry is going:

http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS7748436273.html

Can we use the same (standard) ITX form factor, possibly inserting the CPU fixed on the motherboard.

There seems to be only one PCI slot available (small). Is this enough for the graphics card?

Personally, I can see a lot of use for these gadgets (with Linux) on the embedded arena. Anyone else focusing on that? ;)

-asko.kauppi@sci.fi

What I expect in the next generation Pegasos systems:

-FireWire 800 port
-Bluetooth technology
-S-ATA bus
-PCI-X slots
-AGP8X PRO or higher
-Latest version of DDR-SDRAM
-RAID SCSI on board
-USB 2.0 keyboard/mouse support
-1x Optical NIC
-1x Gigabit Ethernet NIC
-IBM Cell technology support
-Funless cooling technology
-LCD screen with POST(power-on self-test)

...only these at the moment.

Quote:
Hello!

I dont know what you mean with "speed" (M)Flops or (G)Hz? I did the statement because some people prefered an say G3vx because it will be cooler than a G5. My best guess is that if you take a 20 MFlop G3 and a 20 GFlop G5 they should be comparable in heat dissipation as well.
You had to tweak the G3 to achieve the 20 GFlop, right? Cache Size, Branch prediction and so on...so Watts consumed might go up for it as well.

Quote:
Ok i did not find the right words to express my concerns. Here is another try:
You stated that the G3 will live as an embedded
processor for many years, no problem with that.
My guess is that the Pegasos 3 will be a "Desktop"
Mainboard. And i do not want an embedded (slow) processor for my "Flagship".

For the People who are interested in the 970 in general: I did pick up a nice link on Ars about an PPC 970 development board.

Klick me.

Cheers

Donar

Hello!

My post did address the concerns about price and
availability of technology/chips for assembling a
Pegasos with the specs i introduced earlier. I think i showed that it could be done with (cheap)standard parts.
And we would not lack behind "other" platforms. For the DDR II thing no known parts for me, so no mention of it. Maybe the DDRII controller will be integrated in the PPC?!?

Quote:

The double Bank thingy is Dual Channel DDR. Ok I know this under this name.
Got this in my Nforce 2.

Quote:
Why? Because i have not seen any consumer PCI-X/PCI Express or HT graphics card.

Quote:

"If" the 8x link is always fluctuating at over >1x speed then the 8x thingy.

Quote:
No i did not check the latency. AGP 8x is "standard" nowadays so i chosed it as a minimum
standard for a Board with a unknown release Date.
I don't know if i got your sentence right...First i thought your AGP 2x card did not take advantage of the 4x faster Bus of your computer...how should it? But then i formed the following out of it: You run your 2x card in a Pegasos 1x AGP and a PC 8x Bus?!
Maybe the slight (5%)speed increase is there because your Athlon is not fast enough to feed the GPU. (There is a nice read on Ars Technica about Playstation2 against PC that in some kind addresses your Phenomenon)
Maybe it is the latency, I don't know.



[hint]
Maybe bbrv can give us some hint how the Peg 3
will look like?
[/hint]

Quote: No, dual-channel DDR is just that, you have *2* DDR channels. I spoke of one double-wide channel.Quote:The Peg III is also not going to see the light of day till the middle of the year at the earliest. The first cards running PCI-Express are slated to be shipping around this timeQuote:Big IF, and most of time time it's not.Quote:No, my AGP 8x card in an AGP 2x bus is only 5% slower than it is on an AGP 8x bus.Quote:And why would an Athlon be feeding the video card at all? The whole point of AGP is so that the CPU doesn't have to feed the GPU.Quote:
*shrug*

Thanks for your reply.
Unfortunately i did not find anything about an 128 bit wide DDR bus which is not dual channel.
But who cares. I think we both agree that the "RAM technology" used should be fast enough, so that it wouldn't be a bottleneck for the system.

Didn`t know about the PCI-Express GFX cards.
So you are right, if medium priced cards are out when Peg 3 ships we wouldn`t need AGP anymore.

Quote:

It's not the whole point but part of, a second point is to give the GFX card *fast*access to (cheap) main memory because textures were to big for the little on board memory on the GFX card's back then. So having AGP 8x does not mean to have more FPS.

But if i'm honest i have to admit i had to do a quick search and read some stuff to realise this.

For the interested: Klick Me

I'm in no way deep in computer technologys, im interested in this but that's all. Because of that i have to rely on things i read. I got this from Ars Technica Ps2 against PC:
Quote:

For me this means no Display list no frames. Be it the CPU that can't do physics (how far would the player jump at given speed) and creating a Display list at the same time or large texture jamming the bus. Thats what i meant with "feeding the GPU".

(Re)Learned a lot today

@Domar

That test is against older-gen cards, which required the CPU to generate the display list.

Modern 3D cards carry with them a processing unit, called a GPU, which generates these display lists instead.