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You're confusing things!
I didn't say I wanted to play Vipeout on an Amiga 600 or anything!
I just showed a video where it's clear that voyager is faster even on an old Amiga 600 than vayfarer on a much more powerful G5

It's a shame to argue about this, because there is more evidence didn't make up, which can be seen in videos shared by many Amiga users.
How interesting that at the beginning it was said that you can't get Vipeout2097 to work on MorphOS because the G5 Mac is not capable of doing so.
Now suddenly everything works, even Vipeout
I'll close with this
Be happy with the perfect MorphOS
I'll stay with AmigaOS
everyone uses what brings them joy and little anxiety
I've received a lot of help here, which I appreciate
and I'm not saying this out of spite, but I'm really annoyed by MorphOS and I don't think I'll spend any money on this system.
Thank you everyone for all your help !

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Thanks for the help, but I don't plan on using MorphOS in the future.
Someday I'll put together a Real Amiga with an accelerator card and then I'll be able to play old and new games without any problems.

> I didn't think of your Cygnus-ed

C:Ed is not CygnusEd. The latter is a 3rd-party program.

> I think a basic system should have a simple text editor
> that not only reads documents but also allows you to write
> in them!This is true in both amigaOS and macOS!

...and also in MorphOS, as you were told in comments #203 and #204.

> about the Pegasos2, everything worked better with it and
> I didn't have to do any tricks

That's because you didn't use a Radeon R3xx-based graphics card in it. Those who did faced the same obstacle with old Warp3D games, and even more so, as Wazp3D got its TinyGL renderer only in 2014, which prior to this meant no Warp3D at all or ugly/slow software rendering at best.

> the official MorphOS computer is the Pegasos so I shouldn't be surprised by that

I'm not sure this "official" status of the Pegasos II is worth much today after 20 years, especially as MorphOS' Warp3D support has always been just a legacy thing, also on the Pegasos II, as is illustrated by the very fact that this support was not extended above Radeon R2xx with the deprecation of Rave3D in MorphOS 3.0, so the Radeon R3xx driver of MorphOS 3.2 never used it. This applies to all MorphOS-compatible hardware, including the Pegasos II.

> Yesterday it froze at least 10 times in an hour.
> Nothing in the system works properly

To me, this sounds more like hardware problems (overheating, faulty RAM etc.). Especially with overheating (dried-up thermal paste), I guess that Mac OS X is more likely to compensate for this by downclocking due to its more sophisticated thermal management.

>> it's possible to nicely run old WarpOS/Warp3D games on it

> they kept saying it was impossible to get Shogo or Wipeout2097
> to work on a G-5 Mac, and now it does.

Who exactly said this was impossible on a G5 Mac? Care to point me to such statements? Koszer as early as in comment #4 clearly told that Wipeout 2097 worked and Shogo should work too.
Wipeout 2097 running with Wazp3D in TinyGL rendering mode has been known to work since 2014 when the TinyGL rendering mode was added to Wazp3D. In fact, Wipeout 2097 was the very game that this mode was presented with (#65) back then. G4 or G5 Mac doesn't matter in this regard.
Regarding Shogo, I told in comment #164 that it may work with Wazp3D but that so far I had not come across anyone reporting success (which doesn't mean much). Luckily, koszer tried and managed to succeed (and I doubt he was the first one at that). Also this has nothing to do with G4 or G5 Mac.
Isn't it nice that those old WarpOS/Warp3D games indeed do work with MorphOS on a G5 Mac?

>> I wanted a system that would run older programs natively
>> I know that WinUAE can emulate ppc on Windows [...]

> The only systems that can run older programs "natively"
> are old Amiga's (500, 1200, 3000, 4000).

As far as I understand, he is mostly referring to WarpOS programs, so running them on MorphOS could be considered "native" as no CPU emulation is involved, while running them on an old Amiga would require PowerUP hardware or PCI hardware like Sonnet Crescendo 7200 and KillerNIC or (with carrier board) PowerPMC-250 and PrPMC8xx.

> if I remember correctly 240Ghz

;-)

> the morphOS browser [...] can't be called good at all, all the pages are so slow

A JavaScript JIT is sorely missing, yes. But even with that, the hardware wouldn't be nearly what many websites are expecting today for a smooth experience.

> it was a free system (MOS1.4) [...] But it's been over 10 years since then!

Ha! MorphOS 1.4.5 for the Pegasos, which was the last of the 1.x releases, was released 20 years ago TO THE DAY! :-D

> the browser on my Amiga at the time (os3.9) was faster!

You know quite well why this was the case, don't you? The web has developed massively since those days of mainly static HTML pages, and even back then, Amiga browsers tended to ignore most then-modern features and it was up to the site design whether it was usable for Amiga browsers nonetheless.

> The MorphOS team needs to [...] spend more time on development because
> then very few people will think in the future that they want to run it

So the MorphOS team better won't... ;-)

> Linux is also a free system and newer releases work better and better.

When have you last tried a web browser on Linux on your G4 or G5 Mac?

> I think voyager is still faster than wayfarer to this day.

No wonder, as Voyager will simply show nothing at all or ignore most of the content and show the rest garbled beyond recognition if fed with the modern web.

> What speed can it achieve on an Amigax5000 machine

It will probably display your static HTML page of choice even before you finish typing it into the address bar ;-) Or what do you mean "speed"? Download speed?

> which is much faster than the most powerful G5 Mac?

Erm, no. Regarding CPU performance, the X5000 is faster than an equally clocked G5 Mac only in pure integer performance (about 25%, so the 2.2 GHz X5000 roughly equals the 2.7 GHz G5 Mac), but loses in floating point performance and memory bandwidth (and SIMD, obviously).

@Krisz

The beauty of MorphOS is the stability and the native productivity applications.

No other Amigalike platform is as good. Real Amiga hardware is fun to tinker with, but the software and OS don't really do that much really. If you want to play games and not use it much beyond that, works fine.

So if you use Iris, Wayfarer, PolyOrga, PageStream, and the other native stuff like VPDF etc. It is a dream really. I use my PowerMac with MorphOS every day for work all day over the last 5 years and it is really good. I never have crashes or have weird behavior, or if I do it can be counted on one hand on a 2 fingered person.

The features and user experience is quite good. You do have to put the time in to set it up and learn the OS.

For me it was worth setting up the hardware and learning the OS.

The other big benefit is an active development team and community that literally released 100's of updates with the OS and applications and are available to add features. A task and effort worth noting.

Sorry you haven't had a great experience. If there is anything I can do to help, PM me. There are a good amount of YT videos by different folks using the OS also you may wish to check out.

Good luck!

> I just showed a video where it's clear that voyager is faster even
> on an old Amiga 600 than vayfarer on a much more powerful G5

That video shows Voyager on Vampire V2 loading amigaworld.net and some up and down scrolling. Did you compare it to Wayfarer on G5 doing the very same? And how is the comparison with a website using modern web standards? Furthermore, how do you think does the Pegasos II compare running Voyager and Wayfarer?

> at the beginning it was said that you can't get Vipeout2097 to
> work on MorphOS because the G5 Mac is not capable of doing so.

Again: Who exactly said this was impossible on a G5 Mac? Care to point me to such statements?

> Now suddenly everything works, even Vipeout

As said, Wipeout 2097 working was well known. Shogo is the nice surprise here, at least to me.

> I'll close with this

Why do you seem to be discontent with the fact that both games actually do work on MorphOS on the G5 Mac? I'd be delighted if games I wanted to play could be made to work on the hardware I own, but that's probably just me. Your reaction to being shown both games as working is highly irritating, to say the least, almost as if that's not really the result you had hoped for.

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Yes, there's nothing wrong with the look of MorphOS, but how stable would it be...
It could be argued whether AmigaOS is better than MorphOS or not.
Many applications?
and where to find them?
I haven't found a normal rar extractor that has a GUI
"You have to spend time on the settings"
A normally written system is installed and works
you don't have to do any tricks to use it with as few problems as possible
Unfortunately I was disappointed with MorphOS
if I had known in advance that this would happen I wouldn't have spent so much time and money on it
Thanks for offering to help, but I think I'll sell both the G5 and G4 macs.

I dont know anybody with so many problems using MorphOS. It is a SO easy OS that cant understand so many difficulties.

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You wrote a lot and unfortunately it's not so easy for me to answer due to my lack of English skills.
The point is that my machine is definitely flawless
It's very stable under MacOs and I've played for hours with much more demanding games than will ever be possible on MorphOS
Yes, the thermal paste on the video card had dried out, but I fixed that.

The x5000 was tested and had very good speed results compared to the G5
if I remember the page where they wrote about it I would link it
MorphOS is said to be a modern system
so it should support Radeon cards better
If I remember correctly, AmigaOS now supports RX cards!
Yes, Shogo started for me too
it was clearly stated on another forum that wazp3d won't work until I delete the Warp3d library and that's true
The game starts but does not run smoothly
graphic glitches occur during gameplay
I think I've tried every setting in wazp3d. prefs
wipeout2097 doesn't work properly
the image is broken
I haven't tried it much yet
Unfortunately, MorphOS is unmanageable for me
I'm sure it will cause much less problems for those who understand the system
but as I wrote
you install a normally written system and it works
you don't have to play around with it to find the right settings
Sometimes AmigaOS also caused problems, but in most cases I installed the system +warpos, warpup, etc. and after that all games started up smoothly.
Unfortunately, an Amiga with the same build as mine costs a fortune now. I already regret selling it.
And you can argue about this, but my Amiga with its 240Mhz processor ran games faster than MorphOS with the G5 2Ghz.
Unfortunately, almost everything slow on the MOS system
Shogo, Speed ​​Dreams and even many 2ds games!
I know I shouldn't give up so quickly, but after all this trouble, I just lost interest in this system.
Thank you for the detailed description and all the help I received.

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If system is freezing frequently then either you have a faulty hardware (which could be anything from HD to RAM and/or CPU heating issues) or you are doing something wrong on the software side which can be easily spotted by checking the debug log. The former is rather more prone to happen than the latter, especially if you don't call any 68k app that requires Amiga custom chipsets.

It's not true that MorphOS has stability issues. I am speaking from experience since I do own all variations of Amiga and Amiga-like OSes and pushed them software wise as much I could do, MorphOS is by far the most stable one. No, let me rephrase that: not just more stable than the others, it's simply rock - solid generally speaking. Have a look at my screengrab pack, located here, which showcases something between 300-400 apps/utilites/games/scripts which I installed and used over the recent years (these are on a G4 Mac). Eveything worked.

Neither you can be seriously comparing speed execution of any 68k proggie between real Amiga hardware and a G4/G5. PPC runs circles around real Amiga hardware. Just install latest IBrowse and compare it with anything on real 68k hw. Or do the same for any raytracing program (from Real3D to Aladdin4D and LW3D etc). There is simply no comparison. Actually, it was just recently that 68k, decades later, via PiStorm entered the reals of MorphOS (and OS4) in terms of speed when it came to 68k app execution. Even fpga solutions which were advirtized in the past as "NG" were simply much slower compared to high end clocked G4 cpus (let alone G5).

I think you should just reformat the drive and start from scratch, installing and fine tuning one thing at a time. Heck, if you reformat and just use the OS while getting freezes then you can also be certain that's something wrong in your hw setup too. Perhaps later get Chrysalis pack which offers a pre-modded enviroment. No Amiga and/or Amiga-like OS is easy to customize (in terms of time). I mean, you have all the options available but still fine tuning them bit by bit, installing, re-installing and testing stuff takes time. But then again, if you can't figure out how to edit a txt file perhaps no Amiga-like solution is suitted to you and you can just resort or a pre-installed WinUAE/OS3 enviroment.

@Krisz

Given my experience running AmigaOS next to MorphOS for the work I do, there is no comparison. Nothing against AmigaOS as I run it and still have fun with it. For productivity the functionality in Iris and PolyOrganizer alone have nothing remotely capable on any Amiga platform. So for the basics like email and pim, MorphOS is alone. Fit and finish wise or polish again favors MorphOS as it has been much further developed. Just install fresh or and OS update on a PowerMac MorphOS and AmigaOS on whatever hardware. MorphOS deploys in 10 minutes with everything you need, and error catches low system disk space and sfs errors. AmigaOS can take a day to get everything you wanted installed and crash out along the way. Most of the applications are built into the initial install. If not MorphOS files will contain them.

As far as spend time learning, that goes without saying for any OS in the known universe and has zero to do with MorphOS. Every OS needs you to figure it out. MorphOS is as just as good as any of them for that.

There is a nice archive program created a few versions ago built into the OS that allows passwords and is pretty decent. If it doesn't do rar, I would ask the team to add it for you.

If you come from Amiga systems and go to MorphOS, it doesn't make sense to me that you would find so much fault in it. If you came from Windows or MacOS, expecting the same level of features and capabilites, OK, totally understand as it isn't in the same league...

As far as the money, getting a PowerMac or PowerBook and purchasing the OS, yields great performance and value. Compared to ANY Amiga hardware option, it is thousands of dollars cheaper. For classics the 060 card with processor will be over a grand alone, not including anything else. For 4.1, and X5000 or Tabor are crazy expensive without purchasing the OS.

Again, sorry your disappointed as my experience has been the exact opposite. The Team is great to work with and compared to any other Amiga system, is a country mile ahead for OS development and apps.

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I have read on several forums how users complain about the way MOS works and that they don't pay for such a system.The most annoying thing about this system is that when one application freezes, the entire system freezes with it.
There is no way to close the frozen application.
I don't get any error message that would give me any idea of ​​what is causing the freeze.
When I have a lot of time, I'll make a video of how I use the system and everyone will see that my system really freezes a lot.

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Maybe the HDD is faulty, I can't think of anything else
I only replaced the HDD in the machine, but I still need to get a bigger SSD for my MacPro, and maybe I'll try again by reinstalling MOS on the SSD that's now in the MacPro
But I don't know if MorpOS will have problem with a Samsung Evo 850 SSD?
Otherwise, there is no problem using a text editor...

I don't know how the installation of Chrysalis works yet because it doesn't have an installer.
I've used the UAE emulator on Windows and MacOS, and Pegasos2 machine , but I remember it freezing a lot too.
Thank you for your help.

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I'm going to replace my current HDD with an SSD and reinstall MorpOS and I'll be curious to see how this changes.
The Amiga has always been an expensive machine, but it's a great invention!
I installed the system on my Power Amiga in a few hours.
and I had to install a lot of drivers: mediator, video, sound, etc.
And better and better games and applications are appearing for AmigaOS
It's true that when we look at other systems, AmigaOS and MorphOS are both very lagging behind.

@Krisz

I use a video editing SSD on my main PowerMac G5, so it is as quick as possible, well beyond what the controller can handle. Hope that the SSD swap works for you.

I have paid sick money for Classic Amiga Hardware, sadly the PPC is next to useless and I eventually sold it. Few games runs on it and for faster picture display for backdrops, it just makes a ton of heat end does nothing most of the time. Had a Peg II back in the day and that was really nice to run MorphOS and AmigaOS. I still play with my classic hardware, every now and then, but I don't do much with them, as there isn't much to do. I tried believe me! Having 10,000 plus email for a classic system pretty much cripples it and crashes out often. Ibrowse for simple stuff was nifty for aminet. As far as 4.x, it was good for games as it had more ported back in the day and certainly is more capable for productivity, just not enough to daily it easily.

As far as OS improvements and native applications. MorphOS is really in a league of their own. They have very steadily been improving the OS with 20 years of updates with maybe 30 or 40 point releases and 3 major revisions. Amiga 3.x has seen some love with the OS being moved forward, but the productivity software for it is 30 plus years old many times and it just doesn't come close to doing anything meaningful. 4.x has seen almost zero OS development and has been plagued by lawsuits, it does have a few apps that were ported over to it that are nice, but compared to MorphOS it just isn't as good. 4.x doesn't need new hardware, it needs a new OS and app set.

I can understand and appreciate others that enjoy 4.x and develop for it, good for them! I can also make an argument, to just adopt MorphOS as it runs on many of same hardware platforms and already is getting the job done, as they are already working on version 3.20. But people should use what they want to use, and enjoy it at the end of the day. I just want to use my system for as much as I can...

No hard feelings with any users on any of the versions they enjoy using, but the constant development of the OS and more importantly major applications makes all the difference in the world.

So although I can't run everything I want on my MorphOS box, it is really decently close to it and improving all the time. So it lags the least behind any of Amiga flavors with it's own native application set.

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Now I understand clearly. You did your job so well trying to make it run cool that now it freezes all the time! :D

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I remember the same page as you but it stated the G5 is much faster in every benchmark they did. Unfortunately, I don't remember the link too... :(

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Of course I believe you... ϰ
I'm sure you had a beefed up Amiga and then the Pegasos 2 and still did not ever use the Ed program from SYS:C/ drawer... ϰ

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Yet, you still aren't able to give one example that I couldn't prove you're wrong with a video.

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Please give us a link to ebay or wherever you'll be selling your machines. I'm sure there will be many MorphOS users willing to buy them. Some photos would probably help.

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And you've used AmigaOS for years and never noticed anything similar? :D

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Please do. I'm sure it would be very entertaining.

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The Amiga was never intended to be an expensive machine. And it gained its popularity thanks to the fact that the entry models enabled millions of users to do extraordinary things at a low cost of ownership.

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And you've managed all that without editing text files :D

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Please name a few.

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I see you are the big talker on the forum and the one who likes to tease
everyone else can write in a normal style except you

Do you have experience in the field of mechanics?
I have been repairing electronics for many years!
It's no problem to repaste a video card
I see it wasn't clear to you that it wasn't the Amiga's text editor.

I've written scripts on the Amiga, so believe me, I know what an editor is.
I think I've already written the name of games that works slowly.
unfortunately you missed it or you are using the wayfarer browser and the loading was delayed
But just for fun, I'll make a video about the mistakes

It is unnecessary to provide a link to the advertised machines because if they are for sale, I would like to sell them within the country for easier transportation.

You weren't paying attention again
I haven't been using AmigaoOS for years, I used it many years ago

The Amiga has always been an expensive machine
even more expensive than a Mac at the time
and the Amiga became popular because it was at least 10-15 years ahead of the computer age
As for games, most of them were developed for AmigaOS, which users then ran on the MorphOS system.
How many games or user programs can you list that were specifically developed for MorphOS?
I don't think it would be long to list.

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Thanks for sharing this with me
I agree with a lot of things

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The base MorphOS installation (and of course the live-cd too) comes with two text editors.

The Ed shell command works just like with an old 68k AmigaOS. If you have ever used a classic Amiga, you must have written "ed s:user-startup" or similar in the shell. The Ed can also be launched from the Editor icon in the Utilities drawer.

Then there's the FlowStudio editor bundled in the Applications drawer. It's a modern Scintilla based text editor (and a full-featured IDE) that can handle UTF-8 and other more modern stuff. There comes nothing like it on AmigaOS.

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There are serious editors for AmigaOS
or at least that's what was considered such at the time, e.g. FinalWriter
I've only used MorphOS on my pegasos2 for watching movies and playing games, so I'm not really familiar with what editing programs it includes.
In 2024-25, an editor that supports the formats you listed will not be considered an extra in a system