Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> read the description of wazp3d but I didn't see any part where it
> mentioned that the possible warp3d library should be deleted.

Yes, that's because it doesn't say so, as the recommended way is renaming the original library, which it does mention.

> I understood most of the games to run faster

I'd say *all* games that do run on MorphOS run faster.

> almost all the programs you use on the "great" MorphOS
> system now are all thanks to the Amiga developers

Almost all programs used by the average MorphOS user are MorphOS-native: some ported, some reimplemented, some written completely from scratch. The marginal rest are old Amiga programs that work on MorphOS thanks to the MorphOS developers and 3rd-party developers like the Wazp3D author.

> No matter how good a system is, it doesn't have enough software support.

Huh?

> Many of you here criticize the Amiga and AmigaOS

That's not true. You just made this up.

> The Amiga is "crap"

In fact, you are the very first one in this thread to write such, but blame "many" others for allegedly doing so.

> but it's still good to use Amiga software, right?

Huh? Did you forget that it was you who asked how to run certain Amiga software on MorphOS? You got positive answers about this but somehow don't seem to be delighted in the slightest. That's highly irritating.

> even if it doesn't work properly, they still don't see it
> or don't want to see it :)

It's the other way round here actually. You get video proof of things working well but exhibit reluctance accepting that it works for others just because it doesn't for you for reasons yet to be determined. Highly irritating.

> I didn't have to restart every few minutes because the system would freeze
> and the games ran at a pleasant speed
> and the point is that there were a lot of applications on it

That's exactly the experience of the average MorpOS user using MorphOS, also thanks to the compatibility with old Amiga programs.

> something that was specifically Amiga development and not porting

More MorphOS-specific software would be better of course, but considering the niche, ports of good crossplatform software are better than nothing I guess.

> There's nothing wrong with using Amiga programs on MorphOS

Indeed, and really nobody in this thread claimed anything to the contrary. You were even explained how to use certain Amiga programs on MorphOS. Isn't that nice?

> we shouldn't constantly criticize Amiga and AmigaOS

Yes, that's why we don't do it.

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> after 3.9 there was a break and then os4x was released

There was already a long break before with stagnation between OS3.1 (1994) and OS3.5 (1999), that's when several 3rd party developments attempted to overcome the stagnation, among those AROS starting in 1995 and MorphOS starting in 1998. Expecting those developments to be abandoned when OS3.5 was released wasn't realistic considering the nature of the release of OS3.5 (and OS3.9 a year later).
Unfortunately, several negotiations during 2001 to have MorphOS released as AmigaOS 4 failed.

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> MorphOS is currently very unstable for me and I
> didn't experience this with AmigaOS at the time

That's because your Amiga hardware had no issues which I suspect isn't the case with your G5 Mac, be it anything on the board or a peripheral.

> It could also be that the HDD is really faulty

Yes, could be. Testing with another storage medium (SSD or mechanical HDD) will surely clarify.

Kronos wrote:
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Getting Doom and Heretic to look even worse than AGA on a PC (even with 1995 parts) is quite a feat, that I would love to see repeated.

Some heavily rose tinted glasses might be another explanation.

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> when the same game was played on the PC and Amiga, the
> Amiga version always had better graphics. I used to argue a lot
> with my PC friends about whether the same game looked better
> on the Amiga. Then we put the Amiga and the PC side by side
> and tested a few games that were available for both platforms.

And your PC friends confirmed that the Amiga graphics looked better?

> I remember how much better Doom and Heretic looked on the
> Amiga and I was using the built-in AGA graphics chip back then

I have a suspicion that you simply fell for the blurriness caused by the scanlines of your 15 kHz CRT, creating some well-known kind of anti-aliasing effect especially noticeable with low-resolution graphics.

Kronos wrote:
@Krisz

Just to be clear, wer are not talking about the usual 2D OCS-AGA games where Amiga indeed had some advantage compared to most PCs of the time.

We are talking about early 3D games that simply looked like hot garbage on their original platform, be it PC or PlayStation(1).
With the slight exception of space shooters which had mostly empty screens anyways.

When these games were ported to Amiga they had to ran at lower fps and resolution maybe in line with the absolute "you shouldn't be doing it" bare minimum specs listed for PCs.

And yet you claim they looked better....

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> There was another misunderstanding that the Amiga is "shit".

A misunderstanding by your side, if any.

> Several people have already written here about how
> the Amiga and AmigaOS are behind MorphOS etc.

Your misunderstanding of what others write here regarding "Amiga" is based on your conflation of "the Amiga" (i.e. m68k, including 3rd-party software) and OS4. When MorphOS users state that they have found to be better able to do their tasks with MorphOS than with OS4, this statement has nothing whatsoever to do with old Amiga software. Quite to the contrary, these MorphOS users might actually even happily use some old Amiga software to complete their experience. Virtually none of them uses OS4 software on MorphOS (OS4Emu is of no real use today).

> and I wrote that it's still good to use Amiga programs

Yes, that's what a number of MorphOS users still do. Wazp3D on MorphOS wouldn't make sense otherwise.
There's no contradiction in preferring MorphOS over OS4 and at the same time using old Amiga software on MorphOS.

Lord76 wrote:
@Krisz
Download Crysalis ->Burn to CD ->Put CD in your drive -> click on installer ->finish and see the wonders ^^

Krisz wrote:
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There are serious editors for AmigaOS
or at least that's what was considered such at the time, e.g. FinalWriter
I've only used MorphOS on my pegasos2 for watching movies and playing games, so I'm not really familiar with what editing programs it includes.
In 2024-25, an editor that supports the formats you listed will not be considered an extra in a system

jPV wrote:
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Wasn't this about what basic OS installation provides, not talking about 3rd party programs? At least it's how I understood your post where I got the impression that you thought that there isn't text editors included in the standard MorphOS release. The two text editors I mentioned are included in the basic OS installation, and aren't even available separately anywhere. They're purely tied to the OS release, and made by the MorphOS Team. There are many other similar programs inlcuded in the MorphOS, which is quite unusual in Amiga terms, and it makes even the plainest MorphOS experience quite rich.

All programs presented at MorphOS Library's Applications, Utilities, and Tools lists are provided and pre-configured within the OS by default. You don't have to download them anywere, install any 3rd party distros, etc..

Krisz wrote:
Mac machines, for example, the Quadra, if I remember correctly, had a 40 processor as standard, while an Amiga 1200 had a 20 processor, so the Amiga had to be developed from scratch to be as fast as the Mac, so I think the Amiga can be considered a more expensive machine.

but let's be clear about one thing
LW and almost all the programs you use on the "great" MorphOS system now are all thanks to the Amiga developers

I'm going to get a machine that can run AmigaOS4 and gain my own experience on which one works better MorphOS or AmigaOS

matt3 wrote:
For the record I do use 68k software in MorphOS. CheckItOut and Outline to name a few and they work well. Pretty much everything else is native MorphOS. So some useful old programs work. I also own 30 or 40 productivity and accounting software packages that are just terrible for many different reasons. They are 40 years old some of them.

To edit any document just right click on it and select edit... piece of cake.

I have setup 7 or so systems with MorphOS mostly on powermacs and powerbooks, and it is just easy as pie to start from scratch and have a fully working and stable system, with a ton of software in 10 minutes. This is very unique to MorphOS.

Here is a video from Chris Edwards where he gets a "new" PowerMac PCIe and he has it up and going and driving dual screens with zero issues:

Chris Edwards PCIe PowerMac and MorphOS.

There are many such videos on YT where people boot from a CD and get MorphOS going with zero drama...

koszer wrote:
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If you read my post again you will see that I was comparing Quadra 950 to Amiga 4000, not to Amiga 1200.
Amiga 4000 initial price was about 2500 USD for top configuration (I guess with 040 CPU at 25 MHz).
Macintosh Quadra 950 (according to few sources) initial price was between 5300 and 7200 USD. Twice or almost three times the price of A4000.

Quote:

For my part I rarely use any classic Amiga program on my "great" MorphOS system. But most native MorphOS programs were made thanks to (ex)Amiga developers, sure.

Quote:

Please do. You could get a machine that can run both of them, like AmigaOne X5000. They seem quite cheap nowadays (for an Amiga, that is...).

Krisz wrote:
I just need to find a solution for the frequent system freezes

matt3 wrote:
@Krisz:

Good luck tracking down the issue.

You may want to make sure the memory is seated and even clean the MB.

Your bad luck is really bad, may want to buy a lottery ticket since you have broken many odds at this point.

You may want to record a video from the start, just go with all the defaults for the initial setup and install. As I mentioned earlier the error trapping in MorphOS install is legendary (OK, maybe only to me :) ). It will find SFS issues with the drive and low space issues. Once it installs it should just run.

Share the video and we will get you there...

jPV wrote:
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It might be that you try to run incompatible programs, maybe some 68k programs that try to access Amiga hardware directly. And as none of the Amiga compatible operating systems can have proper memory protection without breaking the compatibility, the whole system may break too when using badly behaving programs.

The best way to get a stable system is to check the MorphOS Debug Log frequently when running new programs. Then you can easily find programs that don't work properly and try to find a solution or avoid using them in the future.

I always enable the Debug screenbar module, and then enable the Activity Light on its settings. Then I notice immediately when some program makes something that may cause unstable system. When you eliminate trouble-makers, you'll get a very stable system. It's much easier to detect buggy software on MorphOS than on AmigaOS, so at least in my setups, MorphOS systems run way more stable than AmigaOS setups.