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I hope your children feel safe today. Mine don't.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/28/butcher-hit-by-petrol-bomb-in-latest-racist-incident-5971947/
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_57724f99e4b0d257114a4c9f
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_576e558ce4b08d2c563937ff?edition=uk
http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/safetypin-the-simple-way-you-can-show-solidarity-with-the-uks-foreignborn-population--ZJzeRPz6kHW


[ Edited by Intuition 29.06.2016 - 01:49 ]

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Well, did he ever say that the UK should be part of these United States of Europe

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The only positive I'm currently seeing from this whole situation is that after Scotland leaves the UK and the Irish start attacking the mainland again is the endless source of amusement I'll have asking Little Englanders how British their not-so-United Kingdom of erm England and Wales feels now and reminding them how they caused it.

C'est la vie.


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In that sentiment, you scare me Nick.
Besides, I was always more fond of Che Guevara.

Edit - As to the Pythons and other nation's attitude toward Britain, do the French now get to shout "We fart in your general direction"?



[ Edited by Jim 29.06.2016 - 09:23 ]

An unusual first post on a computing forum, but meh. Chalk it down to the times.

As a "Remanian" (to coin the pejorative of the moment) my only consolation in the aftermath of the referendum is getting to see first hand the reaction of the pro leave voters as they come to terms with the realisation of what they have accomplished.

Immediate damage to the economy valued far in excesses of the yearly cost of EU membership.
Falling behind France to become the sixth largest Economy.
Record drop in the value of the pound.
The prospect of Scotland leaving to remain in the EU.
The collapse of a functional government as both major parties descend into in fighting.
The frankly chilling prospect of Bojo for PM.
And this is all before initiating Article 50.

Then there's the real doozy. Waking up to the realisation that the two main leave campaign points were not just dropped but retrospectively denied ever being made. 350m worth of instant cash to spend on local concerns such as the NHS and a steep reduction in immigration.

If it weren't for my wife and child, I'd be laughing my arse off.

The immediate rise in racist incidents since the result has me worried. The perpetrators feel empowered now, but when the full reality sinks in, it won't be themselves they'll blame, or those they voted for. Two guesses who they'll blame for their worsening circumstances.

[ Edited by Karlos 29.06.2016 - 05:44 ]

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Lol!

But in all seriousness, it'll be the European migrant workers that they'll have no control over because we can't do without access to the common market. And the umpteenth generation UK born ethnic minorities that were never anything to do with the referendum in the first place. These will be the target for their vehemence and skreed.

[ Edited by Karlos 29.06.2016 - 11:43 ]

Oh, and the Scots. Obviously.

@ Karlos

Wow, after reading your posts I realized Trump was right (and his being right about anything scares me).
Politics in the UK and the US are running parallel.
Xenophobic bigots are feeling empowered and are on the offensive.

The economic arguments on both sides of the Atlantic are weak.
And the ideas about "taking back the government" seem focused on empowering people who shouldn't be in government in the first place.

It would be amuzing if it weren't appalling.

BTW - Good to see you here. Welcome.


[ Edited by Jim 29.06.2016 - 09:24 ]

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There was racist abuse hurled at members of my family within hours of the result. And before anybody assumes it wasn't connected, the diatribe was preceded with "We voted leave so why are you still here?"

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There was no economic argument to the Leave campaign, just some woolly promises about huge savings to be had from not having to pay 350M UKP into the EU every week (discounting the rebate and the money that then comes in the other direction). That and the migration card which was the carrot and stick for many.

It's a shame the result hadn't have been the other way around. There's a lot wrong with the EU as it presently stands and that amount of visible anger (considering the concessions the UK enjoyed compared to most other member states) would force the government to pursue EU reform and from a position of strength as one of the major member states. Instead, the bridge is burned; you can't fix something like this from the outside. Probably, the remaining states will begin that process anyway and enjoy the eventual benefits of it.

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Thanks.

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The EU has now stated officially that UK doesn't get access to the market without freedom of movement. So Boris now has the choice on what promise to break: immigration or economy.

And it was always a stupid myth. How can you have a free market with restrictions, even on labour? "I want to take advantage of the free market, but I want to give us an advantage that nobody else has, such as being able to selectively choose the workforce or charge competitor state workers for VISAs." The Brexiter view on this was that it was the EU being pro-multiculturalist ideologues, rather than just stating what a competitive market actually is.

I guess that immigrants and minorities will always get the blame of things, but I'm pretty sure the 48% Remain will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER let the Brexiters forget that their choices are what caused the problems the UK will soon face. Ever ever ever. Ever.

Ever ever ever ever ever. Ever ever. Ever.

@Jim

Before Che Guevara became a Stalinist he was a Peronist. He favoured nuclear war between the Soviet Union and USA as he wanted more than anything that the US went down in flames. He didn't care if the rest of the world would follow.

But people tend to forget and forgive that as he looks really cool on t-shirts.

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And they knew it was coming.

Published in March 2016 : http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit02.pdf

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Hey, I was only tweaking Nick's sensibilities.
I could have thrown Daniel Ortega at him if you think that is more harmless.

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Stalin vs Killary. Old Joe wins every time! Lol ;)

http://news.tvguide.co.uk/nsfw-boris-johnson-makes-pornhub-debut/

Probable exodus of many companies:
Vodafone, Vrgin, LLoyds, Goldman Sachs, Siemens, Morgan Stanley, Ford, JP Morgan, Easyjet, Visa - the list gets longer.
Fusion of the LSE with Deutsche Börse will either not happen or not headquarted in London anymore.
Debits will get more expensive.
Etc.

Well, guess the 350 mln/per week (which is a false number anyway) will get saved, but in a total different manner: They will get saved as they will not get earned anymore if the economy goes down like that.

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And the UK was/is alwyas afraid of a too strong Germany (and honestly me, as German, is also afraid of that, too). But with leaving the EU and probably destroying the UK the position of Germany within Europe does not get weaker, but stronger. Shot in the own feet I'd say. A well balanced Europe needs a minimum ammount of strong countries, now there's one less. Pity!

[ Editiert durch Zylesea 30.06.2016 - 02:02 ]

In theory the whole referendum isn't legally binding. The government doesn't actually have to act on it. However, I can't see any of the parties taking that approach. It would be political suicide.

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Sounds like the EU is afraid! Hurling threats around isn't smart. It would invite others to leave if they fail to back the threat and could cripple their own economy if they back it! However, the Brexit isn't official until the politicians make it official. Albeit suicidal for them not to vote to leave, it will only delay that result when the politicians are fired and replaced.

In any case, good luck and best wishes UK.

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Excuse me but what threat are you referring to?

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It's not exactly a threat to say you can't play the game when you aren't interested in following the rules everyone else is.

Britain has long since given up most of its industries excepting banking. Having to set up shop outside City of London will hurt the EU, but won't cripple it - but it will cripple London. They'll get over it. London won't.

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The whole thing happened because people believe politicians don't listen, so I can only imagine if it all gets cancelled. We'd have blackshirts marching down the streets.

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Still keeping it classy I see.

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About as classy as someone who cuts people's sentences in two in a pathetic attempt to change the meaning.

When the Irish do start attacking England again (and let's face it, it's when not if) because Scotland has left the UK you will have no one to blame but yourselves.

So, Boris lost his bottle and has drawn out of the leadership contest. Unfortunately, Gove has stepped forward in his place. I'm not sure which is worse.

In a conversation at work today I caught myself saying "...but at least Cameron...". I can't believe it has come to this; that I would be defending David Cameron. If you need a measure of how bad Boris or Gove as PM would be, it's right there.

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