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Rumblings suggest the Labour party may be in favour of this, at least in terms of willingness to concede support to a second referendum if elected.

One more signature to get published...

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My missus just signed it too but it has no details about what the petition is for when you click on the link. Just says "Please sign Richard Donaghue's Petition".

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http://www.vocativ.com/333176/calls-for-texas-independence-surge-in-wake-of-brexit-vote/ :)

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It needs 5 initial signatures to 'get published'. Once it 'gets published' it then goes public on the petitions.gov site, and is advertised to the public.
It's a bit weird, don't know why they don't show the body of the petition until then, even just to confirm what is being signed. Never posted one before.

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As to your second point: no. Labour are unionist. If anything, Labour getting into power down south would only result in indyref failing as we wouldn't have to put up with austerity, NHS destruction and Boris.

As to your first, England will not vote for Corbyn's Labour anyway. The only Labour party that England would vote for would be one composed of neo-Blairite scum, and only if they toned down all their identity politics and political correctness. The only difference between them and the Tories is that the Tories don't think straight white people are evil.

Scotland should just call another referendum anyway. It's your country, take what's yours. Fuck what the English say.

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And you decided I was a Trump fan exactly how?

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Oh I see you're going to vote Hillary, my mistake

Did I just see something porcine pass by my window

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In various surveys, the Libertarian Party´s candidate Gary Johnson, who is a former governor and long-time member of the Republican Party, polls at close to 10%. Whether those numbers will hold up until the election is anybody´s guess but third-party candidates migh benefit from the high unfavorability ratings of both main party candidates.

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The thought of inflicting Boris, austerity and NHS destruction on the rest of us as 'collateral damage' isn't nice. Although 58% of my voting age neighbours may frankly deserve it, the rest of us don't. In an adult and functioning democracy, we have plurality to thank for balancing the idiot effect most of the time: we need you.
Sadly, in this case, we were offered a binary choice on a complex issue when very few understood the true ramifications of leaving. In no small part because the genuine warnings were bookended by endless fearmongering bullshit.
The 'leave' side had lies and fear of their own in the official campaign, but had the convenient high-profile bullshitter Farage spouting nonsense which - whilst the 'leae' campaign can legitimately claim was not theirs - was deliberately presented alongside, and given equal voice, in the rightwing press.
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You may be right, you may not - there's only one way to find out. The point is more that the current government have no mandate to unilateraly form the future basis of our international relations. their mandate was to call a referendum, not negotiate our way in this Brave New World.

It's also that I cannot bear the thought of Boris Johnson ..Christ I can barely type the words ... as Prime Minster.

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Much as I despise Boris, I think Obergruppenführer Gove would be even worse as PM.

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Hillary is the biggest criminal to ever get the nomination for a major party in the US. How she is not stamping license plates in federal prison right now shows how corrupt the whole system is.

I've refused to see politics as a binary option since at least 1992 when I supported Perot. The 2 party system in the US is a joke, a really bad joke. Both sides pretty say whatever it takes to get elected, then end up being the same shit as always. I am not a Trump fan as I don't trust the blowhard whatsoever. There is no way he suddenly became a conservative overnight. He went from supporting 3rd trimester partial birth abortion (killing full term babies near due date by delivering breach and sucking their brains out through a tube before the head comes out) to being against abortion completely? Bull shit.

I've leaned toward Libertarian recently but now even Gary Johnson is showing himself to be a fraud just as his poll numbers indicate he has better than a snowball's chance in hell. Gary Johnson is suddenly praising Bernie Sanders and practically calling him a soulmate.

There is no viable option in the election this time, period.

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He was specifically referencing the website isidewith.com which indicated that he had a lot in common with Sanders. Feel free to take their 2016 quiz.

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One feature about the referendum has been the remain campaigns refreshing liberal cries of calling anyone who disagrees with them racist and/or stupid.

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Yet time after time you consistently vote differently from us. I still remember the 80s were Scotland voted again and again to get rid of Thatcher as she took our industries apart and turned our cities into smack-added slums. Even as the brave new unregulated economy stagnated and the Tory party filled up with sleaze and corruption and it seemed everyone wanted rid of them, it wasn't until the infamous bluerinse brigade all died of old age that the possibility of being led by someone else became reality.

History will repeat itself. Right wing populism will rule until the current crop of Brexiters have all died and the babyboomers no longer have any voting power. In the meantime, the will of Scotland's people will continue to be ignored without the protection of the EU until there's nothing left but a collection of call centres and ghettos -- no oil, no science, no renewables. Maybe then we'll be able to influence the vote again, but the country would be ruined by then.

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The Blairites are already aiming for Corbyn's political head, despite them being undemocratic progressivist pussies that nobody will ever vote for on a month of Sundays. Soon you'll have no political left at all, just like the US - except the SNP. And it's not fair for us to keep enforcing a opposition on you that you don't vote for, is it?

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Calling people racist if they don't agree with you is the hallmark of neo-progressives, and why the Labour party got kicked out so hard. However I can't help but call a population stupid if they all go google what the EU is after they leave it. Come on man, that's stupid.

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"Just think how stupid the average person is. Now remember that half the population is even more stupid than that." - George Carlin

Sid Vicious - "I've met the man in the Street, and he's a


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Exactly and we let him vote. ;)

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Fabulous turn of phrase.
Blair was about as far removed from a true labor candidate as possible.



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And worse yet, we vote FOR him.

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Being of Irish decent, I would have to agree with you. Fuck the English, it would only be returning the favor.

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Calling Donald Trump a racist is just calling a pig a pig.
And I am not a neo-liberal, neo-conservative or whatever a neo-progressive is supposed to be.

Ok..so for me, a US citizen. What does it matter to me? Or is this basically Euros that get screwed?