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The next Tory leader is just a sacrificial lamb to take the flak for all the Brexit fallout before being sacked so Boris can take over later methinks.

Jeremy Corbyn support rally at 6pm in Piccadilly Gardens. ¡Hasta la victoria siempre! ;)

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He didn't quit, he was pushed. As soon as Gove stepped in, his position was untenable. And as soon as Gove stabbed Boris, May stabbed Gove.

And they expect people to vote for... OH MY GOD DON'T LOOK AT THE CONSERVATIVES, LOOK AT LABOUR INFIGHTING AND ANTISEMITISM AND SEXISM AND RACISM AND CORBYN

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Freudian slip or another twist in british politics ?

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"An anti-Semite used to be a person who disliked Jews. Now it is a person who Jews dislike.” - Dr Otto Myer, Holocaust Survivor.

Currently that person seems to be Mr Corbyn to a lot of people.

Seems like my investments today are on the same level as before Brexit. Don't let the door hit you when you brexit

Was worried for some time. Time to open a cold one.

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You quoted it. Nutshell: UK leaves EU. Controls there own immigration as per the wishes of its people, they get no access to the market.

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I don't think the UK in the long run will be hurt by this decision. Most trade $ come from outside the EU and the money they give the EU will help offset the initial separation. Besides, they could join NAFTA . . .

And as I understand it, the UK cannot under law surrender the sovereignty of the UK to the EU. And if you study what's really happening with the one nation EU, study what Hitler wanted to do, and read carefully the Rome accord as well as others you would probably be surprised, or not?

Oh, for those who are religious, and from a biblical point - the Anti-Crist - the second Roman empire is his dominion . . . Happy studies!

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That is not a threat.

Here is the definition of the word: "a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done."

If someone declares plans to stop paying rent and move out of a shared apartment, reminding everyone that this person will obviously no longer have free access to said apartment, just like any other person who is not paying rent, is not a threat but are mere statement of facts.

Free movement of workers is a core principle of the EU single market. The Brexit campaign frequently referenced countries such as Norway and Switzerland who are not members of the European Union but have access to the EU common market. Other examples would be Iceland and Liechtenstein

All (!!!) of these countries allow free movement for workers from other members of the Schengen area (as well as from Ireland and the United Kingdom, who have retained full border controls despite being EU members).

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Untrue on both counts. Most trade in the UK does from eurozone, and what we give the EU doesn't even come close to covering it. I won't quote figures, because the figures online tend to be... suspect. I do know though that the science the EU funds in the UK alone is much more than we pay to the EU. There are whole city regeneration schemes, funded by the EU. And our farms and farming have long been subsidised by the EU.

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Hitler was also a vegetarian and banned smoking. There is very little you can take from history if you look in the wrong place.

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That's a joke, right?

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I doubt we would have got it if we stayed in. There's a lot of opposition to it in the EU.
Leaving will make something like it much more likely.

That said I've been reading that TTIP is now stalled until the position of the UK is settled.

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Corbyn was unlikely to ever win an election, he certainly won't now after the no confidence vote.
If he wins a Labour leadership vote, that pretty much guarantees another Tory government ...or worse.

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This is very unlikely, it was overvalued because the UK has massive levels of debt and we now have a rapidly weakening ability to pay it.

It's currently expected that the pound will lose another 10%.


Debt levels in many countries spiked just after the 2009 crash. Most have subsequently brought them back down, except for the UK where they kept going up.

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Yeah, but apparently my sense of humor is too dark.
Hey, the British would get it.
And Nicks statements of support for Stalin appall me.

He is a knowledgable guy, but I wouldn't want to live in the world he envisions.


[ Edited by Jim 02.07.2016 - 08:52 ]

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It does not look much better elsewhere, though. If you look at the largest Euro member states, it seems worth noting that France and especially Italy (S&P credit rating BBB-) both have worse debt levels.

Also, who knows what will happen to the dollar value, once President Trump is sworn in

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With the exception of Germany (and outlier Sweden), the EU´s most economically successfull member states have seen their debt levels continue to rise. In this regard, the United Kingdom is no different from France, Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Poland, Belgium, and so on.

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Whoooosh! ;)

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It's our local branch AGM on Monday. The rank and file members all over the country are loyal to JC, we'll be calling for re-selection of our MP's.

There's one way he could guarantee winning the next general election but I don't think he'd do it. Promise Scotland that he'd give them independence the day after winning.

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Corbyn is an honest socialist in a party that pretends that it's socialist and honest and is neither. He'll probably never win an election but he is worth voting for, which is more than can be said for the Blairites and other associated rubbish that have lost Labour most of its seats and seen it kicked out of Scotland.

I hope he holds on, is re-elected with massive support from party members, and all the careerist politicians will be forced to resign from the party and form their own new party. The whole point in Labour was to be a voice in parliament for trade unions and ordinary workers, not this bunch of self-important dickheads.

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Indeed!

I believe it was the late great Tony Benn who said "Labour is not a Socialist party, but it has Socialists in it."

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Why don't you support these careers politicians? They wanted to stay in the EU and you've completely bought into their official narative that the leave vote was owned by racists, simpletons and the elderly.

Oh, and Corbyn probably voted leave anyway.

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Nick, I have no problem with Socialists.
My country benefited greatly from socialist leaders after the Great Depression.
But dictators scare me.
In the US, the majority of power is held by Congress.
They represent the States they are elected from and they create the legislation that the President signs into law.
For almost a decade, our Congress has been very lax in their duty to the positions they all hold.
I blame them far more than any recent President for our current situation.
And unlike ancient Rome, I am not willing to elect a dictator in order to try and rectify the situation.

That is why I rebelled at your comments about Stalin.
The Communist Revolution in Russia was promoted with the idealistic (if unrealistic) visions of Lenin.
Stalin's USSR came to bear little resemblance to those ideals.

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Maybe because these career politicians are very, very well known for calling anyone they don't agree with racists, sexists, and anti-semites. They've tried all of the above with Corbyn and he just sailed above it - and now they're "forging the narrative" that it's far-left extremists using rape and death threats to try to take over the party.

You know, the usual "progressive" bullshit.

Indeed, it is precisely decades of overuse of these tactics that made it impossible for anyone to point out racism in the Brexit vote. They cried wolf so often to advance their own careers that when the wolf actually did turn up, nobody listened.

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Maybe you should read some history books, cos the only way that Stalin was actually worse than Lenin was that he lived longer......


(and one might point out that the communist revolution was more like a coup d'etat over the democratic goverment that had managed a real revolution some months earlier.

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You are assuming that we have any accurate history books in the USA, about communism in the Soviet Union, or any other communist country for that matter. It would have to be something smuggled in, or an online book that isn't censored. Oh wait, Macarthy is dead now.

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Socialists in the USA? Who?

Like I said, I'm no Stalin fanboy but he was no better or worse than Lenin.

You might want to get your hands on a copy of "Khrushchev Lied" by Grover Furr from Amazon to balance out your knowledge of that era in history.

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"Jeremy Corbyn would comfortably defeat any of the likely challengers against him in a Labour leadership contest, a new poll of party members suggests."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-election-poll-support-angela-eagle-dan-jarvis-tom-watson-2016-eu-a7113036.html