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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    sailor
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    Kronos wrote:
    @Amigaharry2

    AFAIR maximum cable length for IDE on the EFIKA is 0.
    Read all attempts to just move the HD failed on a HW level.



    Efika is REALLY CAPABLE of two ide devices !
    Cable should be max. 5cm with crossed pairs, must be with additional power. Disks should be configured with Master/Slave, not Cable select.
    I tested it and it works on firmware level. Unfortunatelly, MorphOS has no support for second device.

    Please, look to this article Efika5200b in 2021 - part5. It is in Czech language.
    Here is two devices on Efika IDE, and list of partitions of both devices in OpenFirmware.

    This was discussed also on Morph.zone

    [ Edited by sailor 10.01.2025 - 12:35 ]
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  • »10.01.25 - 11:27
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    Kronos
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    sailor wrote:
    max. 5cm


    O.k. and what would be the practical use case for this?
    Not even enough to route a CF-adapter to the front of the case and these days there is really no reason to have 2 HDD/SSDs.

    So, it could be done but it simply should not be done (unless someone is really really bored).
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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
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    Kronos wrote:
    O.k. and what would be the practical use case for this?
    Not even enough to route a CF-adapter to the front of the case and these days there is really no reason to have 2 HDD/SSDs.

    So, it could be done but it simply should not be done (unless someone is really really bored).


    Main practical use is to connect DVD drive. And ( for example ) plays there old Music CDs.
    Or simply, utilized one more feature on low-power machine. Some sort of joy.


    Here is other Czech article, with story telling about Efika, overclocking, more RAM, inconsistencies on CPU, board and OS.
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  • »10.01.25 - 11:50
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    Kronos
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    sailor wrote:

    Main practical use is to connect DVD drive. And ( for example ) plays there old Music CDs.



    With a 5cm cable?

    Sure maybe the SATA cable on an IDE-SATA adapter wouldn't count, but you'd still be flying pretty close to the sun with such a setup.

    And again, topic is "expectations" not "wish list" and surely not "obscure feature request that has 0 chance of happening".
  • »10.01.25 - 11:58
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Amigaharry2
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    sailor schrieb:
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    I tested it and it works on firmware level. Unfortunatelly, MorphOS has no support for second device.
    ....

    Yes, that's the problem: I discussed that with F. Mariak some time ago. Maybe he will do it, if he will have some time left (but it has the lowest priority!, so you can imagine whether this will happen.....)

    Unix also allows both channels on Efika. In my case a IDE2CF with a ~8 cm cable works propper and stable (IDE2CF). Maybe buffered adapters (as used in A1200/600) will help for longer distances.
    BTW: Dual-IDE2CF converters will not work, because of leak of 2nd channel on ide-port........tested that! Works with Firmware/Linux, but not with MorpOS.

    @Kronos: USB: Yes, seems to be something wrong with Ambient! Works in most cases from shell and other file-browsers.....
    But if you have a huge amount of files (lets say more then 10K) EFIKA goes nevertheless after a while in a deep sleep and awakes only by rebooting.

    Very sad that EFIKA is treated so poor.

    Ok, back to topic!
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  • »10.01.25 - 14:43
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    sailor
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    @Amigaharry2
    please, what linux/unix do you use on your Efika?
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  • »10.01.25 - 15:57
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Amigaharry2
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    Was a OEM-Bundle from National-Instuments with preinstalled QNX. I think EFIKA was part of the NI USB 6009 Data Aquisition Device.
    I bought only the EFIKA. Unfortunately the installation went corrupt, when my internal IDE-HD dies some years ago....(and I did'nt make a safety-copy - I know: shame on me...)

    But you'll find other Linux-installations (Debian) here: https://www.efika.de/
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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
    sailor
    Posts: 400 from 2019/5/9
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    Amigaharry2 wrote:
    Was a OEM-Bundle from National-Instuments with preinstalled QNX. I think EFIKA was part of the NI USB 6009 Data Aquisition Device.
    I bought only the EFIKA. Unfortunately the installation went corrupt, when my internal IDE-HD dies some years ago....(and I did'nt make a safety-copy - I know: shame on me...)

    But you'll find other Linux-installations (Debian) here: https://www.efika.de/



    Thank you, I was curious if somebody used other distro than Debian 5 or 6.
    Oh, it is a pitty that QNX is done. I never tried QNX.
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  • »11.01.25 - 10:21
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Kronos wrote:
    And again, topic is "expectations" not "wish list" and surely not "obscure feature request that has 0 chance of happening".

    I am sorry, I know, there's an expectations in topic.
    But in truth, expectation in this case means joyful anticipation. Almost the same as a wish list. And the first post says "hopes and dreams" too.

    Besides, what's the point of expecting or wishing for things that are sure to happen? Not big sense, such things allways happen. I prefer to expect those things that will make me happy, even if the chances of them are less. And if the thing where there was 0 chance of happening, the joy is also the greatest.

    So once again, i apologies for the wish list, but I guess it's understandable. So please, let me have the dreams. My dreams have a rational core and moreover I know they may not come true.
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  • »11.01.25 - 10:39
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    Kronos
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    @sailor

    Well none of the "expectations" mentioned here are set in stone, we might get a different set, we might get them in 2026 or even never.

    As for pie-in-the-sky EFIKA upgrades:

    - ability to use the 2nd 128MB bank of a 256MB Radeon9250 as "slow" RAM
    - PCI extender, even just a 2nd slot for a USB2/SATA combo card would really fix the I/O issues

    Not gonna happen......
  • »11.01.25 - 11:29
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Kronos wrote:
    @sailor

    Well none of the "expectations" mentioned here are set in stone, we might get a different set, we might get them in 2026 or even never.

    As for pie-in-the-sky EFIKA upgrades:

    - ability to use the 2nd 128MB bank of a 256MB Radeon9250 as "slow" RAM
    - PCI extender, even just a 2nd slot for a USB2/SATA combo card would really fix the I/O issues

    Not gonna happen......


    yes, especially use of one 128MB of graphics memory is exactly such nice pie-in-the-sky!
    I like such pies. And, I'm old enough that I've seen some things that can never happen. ;-)

    [ Edited by sailor 11.01.2025 - 14:19 ]
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  • »11.01.25 - 13:18
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    Kronos wrote:

    - ability to use the 2nd 128MB bank of a 256MB Radeon9250 as "slow" RAM



    Mmmmm, just got this in mail:

    Code:

    Radeon 52.6
    - added new tooltype option MEM_SPARE2SYS=(YES|NO) to add unused memory
    (due to MEM_LIMIT) to system memory list

    Radeon 52.5
    - added new tooltype option MEM_LIMIT to manually reduce the available graphics
    memory (min is 8MB, unit is MB)


    Which is supposed to be 10+ years old (*shrug* shows how little I've bothered with the EFIKA over the last 19years...).
    Does work with 3.18 and a 128MB 9250 with VMEM limited to either 16 or 64MB.
    How much it adds on a 2x128MB card is something I'd have to test elsewhere as none of the 256MB cards I have fit into the OG EFIKA case.
  • »12.01.25 - 20:12
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    sailor
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    Kronos wrote:
    Quote:

    Kronos wrote:

    - ability to use the 2nd 128MB bank of a 256MB Radeon9250 as "slow" RAM



    Mmmmm, just got this in mail:

    Code:

    Radeon 52.6
    - added new tooltype option MEM_SPARE2SYS=(YES|NO) to add unused memory
    (due to MEM_LIMIT) to system memory list

    Radeon 52.5
    - added new tooltype option MEM_LIMIT to manually reduce the available graphics
    memory (min is 8MB, unit is MB)


    Which is supposed to be 10+ years old (*shrug* shows how little I've bothered with the EFIKA over the last 19years...).
    Does work with 3.18 and a 128MB 9250 with VMEM limited to either 16 or 64MB.
    How much it adds on a 2x128MB card is something I'd have to test elsewhere as none of the 256MB cards I have fit into the OG EFIKA case.


    Oh, it look very nice! More than that! Thanks for sharing!
    It is tooltype option to Monitor icon?
    And is it really works? Why I never hear about it? Even in 2023 I wrote article about Efika, mention there terrible low memory and nobody corrects me... ;-)

    I will try over weekend ( some computers I have now blocked by Christmas decoration - Bethelem ;-) )

    [ Edited by sailor 13.01.2025 - 13:23 ]
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  • »13.01.25 - 12:21
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    Kronos
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    sailor wrote:

    Oh, it look very nice! More than that! Thanks for sharing!
    It is tooltype option to Monitor icon?



    Yep, remember you need to set both tooltypes to make it work.
    And recheck after a OS update I'd guess (since it is in MOSSYS:)

    Quote:


    And is it really works? Why I never hear about it? Even in 2023 I wrote article about Efika, mention there terrible low memory and nobody corrects me... ;-)



    Dunno, something along the lines of implemented mid beta cycle, tooltypes not getting added () to the icon and forgotten by the time the release notes got written up.
  • »13.01.25 - 13:00
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    sailor
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    I just now checked MorphOS release notes and there is only mentioned this memory saving parameter:
    Code:
    Added support for low memory footprint, automatically enabled if available video memory is larger than available system memory or overruled by tooltype LOWMEMORYPROFILE=(YES|NO). Reduces system memory usage, enabled on EFIKA by default.

    No other note about Efika or VideoRAM upgrade.

    So after weekend I will let know!
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  • »13.01.25 - 13:30
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    koszer
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    sailor wrote:
    So after weekend I will let know!


    I've made a test on a Mac Mini G4 (with abysmal 32 MB of VRAM that I've decided to cut to mere 8 MB with MEM_LIMIT=8)
    It worked, as I got only 8 MB after restart (and half of it was already eaten by Ambient).

    As for MEM_SPARE2SYS - it seems it worked too!
    Avail command fresh after restart and with the same screen depth (16 bit) gives me 979380040 total bytes without MEM_SPARE2SYS and 1004475016 bytes with MEM_SPARE2SYS enabled. So all the "spare" VMEM 24 MB went straight into main RAM pool!
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Amigaharry2
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    Impressiv - works on EFIKA too!!
    Reduced VMEM from 128MB to 32MB - gives that ~143MB free RAM (after booting complete)!.
    If this workes with a 256MB-Radion as well, I've to look for some...

    [ Editiert durch Amigaharry2 14.01.2025 - 16:18 ]
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Amigaharry2
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    First time I brought up OWB on EFIKA - very slow (400MHz!!) but works!

    49152314ie.jpg


    [ Editiert durch Amigaharry2 14.01.2025 - 17:09 ]
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  • »14.01.25 - 15:43
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    Kronos
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    Amigaharry2 wrote:

    If this workes with a 256MB-Radion as well, I've to look for some...



    256MB cards seen as 128MB are still seen as 128MB card (just tested on Peg2).


    Oh, and don't try this on a G5 as it will(might) lead to a non booting system.

    My guess is that it fails to add the RAM to system already maxed out on memory (got 2.5GB installed).
    Might also be an issue on 2GB G4 PowerBooks and PMac.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    koszer wrote:I've made a test on a Mac Mini G4 (with abysmal 32 MB of VRAM that I've decided to cut to mere 8 MB with MEM_LIMIT=8)
    It worked, as I got only 8 MB after restart (and half of it was already eaten by Ambient).

    As for MEM_SPARE2SYS - it seems it worked too!
    Avail command fresh after restart and with the same screen depth (16 bit) gives me 979380040 total bytes without MEM_SPARE2SYS and 1004475016 bytes with MEM_SPARE2SYS enabled. So all the "spare" VMEM 24 MB went straight into main RAM pool!

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    Amigaharry2 wrote:
    Impressiv - works on EFIKA too!!
    Reduced VMEM from 128MB to 32MB - gives that ~143MB free RAM (after booting complete)!.
    If this workes with a 256MB-Radion as well, I've to look for some...


    That are great news! ( old news, of course, but for me are new! ;-) )
    So now with my 466 MHz Efika will be nearly super-computer. ;-)
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12241 from 2003/5/22
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    > old news, of course, but for me are new!

    As for anyone except MorphOS Team members and maybe beta testers ;-)
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    eliot
    Posts: 621 from 2004/4/15
    My wishes would be:

    - updated Sdk
    - ipv6 support
    - updated gfx drivers
    - opengles support

    and at any time: move to Raspberry
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    eliot
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    Kronos schrieb:
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    Amigaharry2 wrote:

    If this workes with a 256MB-Radion as well, I've to look for some...



    256MB cards seen as 128MB are still seen as 128MB card (just tested on Peg2).


    How about using AddMemList()? There's physical memory nevertheless.
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    Kronos wrote:
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    Amigaharry2 wrote:

    If this workes with a 256MB-Radion as well, I've to look for some...



    256MB cards seen as 128MB are still seen as 128MB card (just tested on Peg2).


    Oh, and don't try this on a G5 as it will(might) lead to a non booting system.

    My guess is that it fails to add the RAM to system already maxed out on memory (got 2.5GB installed).
    Might also be an issue on 2GB G4 PowerBooks and PMac.


    Nope, if the Radeon has two seperate physical ram banks (128MB each), chances are that it will work. Mine it's this way and is seen as 256MB on a Sawtooth G4 AGP (9800 XT or Pro can't remember - flashed). I bought it from US especially for this reason about a decade or so ago.
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