New Modern Webkit-based Browser In Development
  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Amigaharry2
    Posts: 1070 from 2010/1/6
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    For useing GITHub (and more) in OWB install following scripts here: https://git.walkero.gr/walkero/odyssey-scripts.

    I think main problem for speed is leaking outsourceing 3D-calc to graphicsprocessor. Correct me, if I'm wrong......
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    Piru
    Posts: 555 from 2003/2/24
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    wicknix wrote:
    However browsers on PPC Linux smoke Wayfarer in page loading times.


    I believe this is mostly due to Linux being far more capable in networking in general. MorphOS TCP/IP stack does have some serious performance issues. This problem has been known for a long time but the root cause isn't easy to figure out. It could be the network drivers, the SANA2 interface between the drivers and TCP/IP stack, or the TCP/IP stack itself, or any combination of above.

    [ Edited by Piru 03.12.2022 - 22:48 ]
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11764 from 2003/5/22
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    > I think main problem for speed is leaking outsourceing
    > 3D-calc to graphicsprocessor. Correct me, if I'm wrong......

    It's more about 2D than 3D. The latter would mean WebGL, which is another topic altogether and not required by most sites.
  • »03.12.22 - 23:08
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    NewSense
    Posts: 1318 from 2012/11/10
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    Amigaharry2 wrote: @ NewSense: as jacadcaps wrote, logging into ebay.uk from here works flawlessly. You may try a login with OWB (works too), to find out, whether there is a problem with your net.

    I realise now what the issue might have been, well it's the only, sort of, logical reason I can come up with . . .

    I had been using v4.4, which I was having loading issues with, and then reverted back to using v4.3, which I seem to remember also had a few (fewer) HTTP/2 issues, and then just installed/loaded v4.5, prior to any reboot, and probably the issues I had been encountering with v4.4 and v4.3 were still within/affecting my networking/system.

    So, loading v4.5 prior to a cold reboot seems to have still been influenced by the earlier versions. The issues I was encountering do now seem to have been 'flushed' from my system, and v4.5 is working as it seems everyone else is finding, a big improvement over v4.4. :-)

    Frankly, a while back you could not login as a member to ebay.co.uk with OWB, but it seems now it works, even the recaptcha image security panel can be completed, though the selling page does not render as it should, but it's nice to know it can be used as a stop-gap, if required. 8-D

    I should also add that from my own perspective, I owe a debt of gratitude, that I will never likely to be able to fully repay, to you both - jacadcaps & Piru, and anyone else (including jPV) involved in working on/testing Wayfarer, and even though I have donated a few times I feel I would not be as content with MorphOS unless we had a web-browser as capable as Wayfarer on MorphOS - so I am really grateful to you for all your efforts, I just wanted to say it, as such comments often go unsaid. 8-D
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2763 from 2003/3/5
    From: Canada
    Quote:

    So, loading v4.5 prior to a cold reboot seems to have still been influenced by the earlier versions.


    That sounds more like you were actually running 4.4. Anyway, I'm glad it's working for you now.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Amigaharry2
    Posts: 1070 from 2010/1/6
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    I'm not so sure that speed is only a net-device problem. When Wayfarer does internal work and uses CPU to 100% (which is often the case and takes sometimes up to 1 min) there is no activity on network (or device?) during this time......
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    Piru
    Posts: 555 from 2003/2/24
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    Amigaharry2 wrote:
    I'm not so sure that speed is only a net-device problem.

    Of course it is not. Often people are talking about different performance issues, and happily mixing them. So when we're talking about something like HTTP2 test being slow, it is likely very different from some web page loading being slow due to sudden periods of high CPU usage.

    I was in specific talking about the HTTP2 demo pages loading slow.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    KennyR
    Posts: 847 from 2003/3/4
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    Amigaharry2 wrote:
    I'm not so sure that speed is only a net-device problem. When Wayfarer does internal work and uses CPU to 100% (which is often the case and takes sometimes up to 1 min) there is no activity on network (or device?) during this time......


    What happens on an AmigaOS-like scheduler when something takes up the CPU time in the foreground, is that the background tasks are neglected. Network connections will time out and all sorts of stuff. Linux doesn't need to worry about that as it's designed from absolute core to be a server OS.

    Piru completely overhauled MorphOS memory handling for Wayfarer, which was just insufficient before. Intuition and MUI too, possibly. Now it's becoming obvious scheduler and network stack need updated too.

    Are we all beginning to understand what processes drove the development of other operating systems to be "bloat" yet? :-)

    [ Edited by KennyR 04.12.2022 - 19:13 ]
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11764 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > I'm not so sure that speed is only a net-device problem.

    Absolutely correct, it is not. That's why Piru in comment #1198 mentioned as much as 5 distinct areas where our current combinations of hardware and software are lacking when it comes to web browsing, one area of which is network driver/stack.
  • »04.12.22 - 21:40
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2763 from 2003/3/5
    From: Canada
    I've already mentioned a workaround here a couple of times. Use a local socks5 proxy.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Templario
    Posts: 486 from 2012/4/28
    Thank you for this new update now is possible the spanish accents as caminón, vía, etc.
  • »06.12.22 - 12:09
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2763 from 2003/3/5
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    That has been possible since the initial public release... Were you missing the right fonts?
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2763 from 2003/3/5
    From: Canada
    Wayfarer 4.6 is now available!

    - Fixed a race condition in OffscreenCanvas leading to use after free
    - Fixed the 'Import HAR' button in the Web Inspector
    - Drag image handling improvements
    - Implemented drag images for links
    - Changed the cURL thread priority
    - Updated cURL, png, webp and sqlite libraries

    You need the latest openssl3.llibrary hot fix from https://morphos-team.net to run this build


    [ Edited by jacadcaps 30.12.2022 - 23:48 ]
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    Butterfly
    Posts: 71 from 2020/5/1
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    jacadcaps wrote:
    Wayfarer 4.6 is now available!

    - Fixed a race condition in OffscreenCanvas leading to use after free
    - Fixed the 'Import HAR' button in the Web Inspector
    - Drag image handling improvements
    - Implemented drag images for links
    - Changed the cURL thread priority
    - Updated cURL, png, webp and sqlite libraries

    You need the latest openssl3.llibrary hot fix from https://morphos-team.net to run this build



    And not only the hot fix, but the library itself.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Stevo
    Posts: 870 from 2004/1/24
    From: #AmigaZeux
    Quote:

    jacadcaps wrote:
    Wayfarer 4.6 is now available!

    - Fixed a race condition in OffscreenCanvas leading to use after free
    - Fixed the 'Import HAR' button in the Web Inspector
    - Drag image handling improvements
    - Implemented drag images for links
    - Changed the cURL thread priority
    - Updated cURL, png, webp and sqlite libraries

    You need the latest openssl3.llibrary hot fix from https://morphos-team.net to run this build



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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2763 from 2003/3/5
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    Minor update now out

    - Removed the requirement of latest openssl3.libary in order to run Wayfarer
    - Update check will also optionally check if openssl3.library is latest
    - Localization strings cosmetics
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    tolkien
    Posts: 473 from 2013/5/29
    Please Jacadcaps...you can rest the last day of the year! :)
    Thanks for the update!

    [ Editado por tolkien 01.01.2023 - 14:34 ]
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  • Just looking around
    Posts: 11 from 2021/5/5
    I am running MOS 3.17 on a G5 mac. I've been running Wayfarer 2.10. but have been updating some apps and installed Wayfarer 4.6 and now 4.7. I received the openssl3.library warning yesterday and installed it. However, now neither 4.6 or 4.7 series is working for me. It first opens into a minute window (not the usual splash screen). When the app window opens it shows the web address in the top bar but doesn't render anything in the page below. How can I help you troubleshoot this?

    Many thanks.

    [ Edited by Mach 31.12.2022 - 13:00 ]
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    NewSense
    Posts: 1318 from 2012/11/10
    From: Manchester, UK/GB
    @ Mach - Did you install the cgxvideo.library into the usually forbidden MOSSYS:Libs from about version 2.7 of Wayfarer as that may be causing the issue you are experiencing. ;-)
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2763 from 2003/3/5
    From: Canada
    @Mach

    Does the same happen if you download and extract the new wayfarer.lha and run directly from the extracted folder? It sounds as if all of Wayfarer’s data files were missing.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    tolkien
    Posts: 473 from 2013/5/29
    Please delete. Message posted by the smartphone.

    [ Editado por tolkien 01.01.2023 - 14:34 ]
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  • »01.01.23 - 13:31
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2763 from 2003/3/5
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    Please note that we've identified a regression with socks proxies support. If you need this, please stay on 4.5 for now.
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    Posts: 11 from 2021/5/5
    Quote:

    NewSense wrote:
    @ Mach - Did you install the cgxvideo.library into the usually forbidden MOSSYS:Libs from about version 2.7 of Wayfarer as that may be causing the issue you are experiencing. ;-)


    No.
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