ScoutNG bounty proposal
  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 1683 from 2003/3/5
    From: Poland
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    Intuition wrote:
    I'll donate to this, it's definitely needed.

    How long roughly would you need to to develop the first version?


    I should be able to deliver in around 2 months after 3.10 is released. Updates will follow even after the bounty has completed.

    You can donate at WArMUp
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Intuition
    Posts: 1018 from 2013/5/24
    From: Englistan
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    Papiosaur wrote:
    I have open a new bounty dedicated to Scout NG on http://www.warmup-asso.org/. Just specify "Scout NG" in comments of your donation. Thanks jacadcaps to propose new projects for MorphOS.


    The donate button doesn't appear on Firefox for Android.

    [ Edited by Intuition 13.01.2017 - 14:50 ]
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Intuition
    Posts: 1018 from 2013/5/24
    From: Englistan
    Quote:

    jacadcaps wrote:
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    Intuition wrote:
    I'll donate to this, it's definitely needed.

    How long roughly would you need to to develop the first version?


    I should be able to deliver in around 2 months after 3.10 is released. Updates will follow even after the bounty has completed.

    You can donate at WArMUp


    Sounds good. Hopefully 3.10 isn't too far off :)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Intuition
    Posts: 1018 from 2013/5/24
    From: Englistan
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    Papiosaur wrote:
    @Intuition: i have just installed last version of Firefox on my phone under Android and there is the Paypal button.


    It's there if I use Chrome or Opera but not Firefox.

    Probably uBlock Origin blocking it.

    I'll donate on Monday.
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    amigadave
    Posts: 2515 from 2006/3/21
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    Papiosaur wrote:
    Bounty finalized in six days ! Thanks a lot to all donors and jacadcaps to propose this new project for MorphOS.




    Is the donate button still active, so people (like me) can donate additional funds, and make jadacaps time paid at a higher rate per hour? I doubt that the amount he specified will pay him any where close to regular programmer rates that he should be making, if the work were being done for an employer, or he was doing work unrelated to a hobby of his choice.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Papiosaur
    Posts: 1147 from 2003/4/10
    From: France
    Hi amigadave,

    yes the paypal button still active all the year 2017 :-D

    You must just specify the name of your project in comment of your donation.

    If you want go up more than asked if possible of course.

    Indeed, my expression is not exact: "the bounty was reached" and not "the bounty is finalized"
  • »17.01.17 - 18:42
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 1683 from 2003/3/5
    From: Poland
    Quick status update: no news for now. Super busy with an email client. I'll start doing some work on this project when 3.10 is out.
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10019 from 2003/5/22
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    > Super busy with an email client. I'll start doing some work on this project
    > when 3.10 is out.

    Does this mean the email client will make it into 3.10? :-)
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 1683 from 2003/3/5
    From: Poland
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    Does this mean the email client will make it into 3.10? :-)


    That is unlikely, I am hoping to have some beta ready in 2017 though. Offline/POP3 would likely come in 2018.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Zylesea
    Posts: 1859 from 2003/6/4
    @ Jacadcaps

    Thanks for the status update.


    Looking forward to the new mail client, am using YAM 2.6 (I think later versions were rather heading to a wrong direction) which works quite okay, but does not get fresher. No urgend need though.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    koszer
    Posts: 838 from 2004/2/8
    From: Poland
    Quote:

    jacadcaps wrote:
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    Does this mean the email client will make it into 3.10? :-)


    That is unlikely, I am hoping to have some beta ready in 2017 though.


    ...and that means MorphOS 3.10 will be out in 2017, yay (albeit without new e-mail client, boo)!
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    Kronos
    Posts: 1816 from 2003/2/24
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    koszer wrote:
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    jacadcaps wrote:
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    Does this mean the email client will make it into 3.10? :-)


    That is unlikely, I am hoping to have some beta ready in 2017 though.


    ...and that means MorphOS 3.10 will be out in 2017, yay (albeit without new e-mail client, boo)!




    Or that the 1st beta of jaca's mail client is deemed unfit for inclusion into the ISO....
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 1683 from 2003/3/5
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    Sorry this project has been on a hiatus for so long. I've finally started working on the Task list component. You can expect a 1st working beta within 2 months. Work on Scout and Iris will be done in parallel.
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 1683 from 2003/3/5
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    ScoutNG isn't just about reimplementing the old Scout...

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  • vox
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    vox
    Posts: 419 from 2003/11/24
    From: Belgrade
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    jacadcaps wrote:
    For a long time Scout has been a tool that most amigans have used, but it's grown old and is mostly AOS3.1 centric. It also requires one to install a handful of external MUI classes. And finally, it doesn't display infos about MorphOS' internals.

    Here is what I'm proposing:
    - A totally new application with a UI similar to Scout
    - Runs with a standard MorphOS installation
    - A peek into kernel internals of exec, intuition, dos
    - An ability to show certain system lists in context (processes/tasks/windows as a tree)

    Target: 200 euro.

    Let me know what you think and what features you'd like to see so that I could come up with a more detailed list before officially launching the bounty.


    - Killing a non working or unecessary task
    - Ability not only to show missing components, but to hunt them on Aminet,MorphOS depots etc.

    I am all in for helping bounty with 10-20 euros. I would give more if goal can be extended to portable AROS/OS 3.x+Vamp functions/OS4 ports so we have a bit standardizet "scout" for all, until system will be able to display better error messages about missing components.

    Edit: I see it done. Are extended feats and cross Amiga systems a viable goal?

    [ Edited by vox 23.08.2018 - 12:59 ]
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    zukow
    Posts: 485 from 2005/2/9
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    The reason is to use non public structures of Morphos in closed source application. This can't be made public/open source/portable. Other OSes also don't have obj-c frameworks.

    [ Edited by zukow 23.08.2018 - 13:19 ]
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 1683 from 2003/3/5
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    This is a MorphOS bounty - the frameworks and data I am using are MorphOS-specific. An AROS version could likely be done since the system structures are all in opensource anyway. Scout NG is written in Objective-C which by all means could be ported to other platforms, but this is out of the scope of this bounty - and a bounty like that would require two additional zeros.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    connor
    Posts: 502 from 2007/7/29
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    vox wrote:
    - Killing a non working or unecessary task


    It is a task manager. A task manager without the possibility to kill a task does not make sense. I expect all the functionality from Scout to be in ScoutNG because they are very helpful. So I am sure killing a task is also part of ScoutNG. I am happy to see it in a few months because I want to get rid of this broken NList MCC stuff.

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    - Ability not only to show missing components, but to hunt them on Aminet,MorphOS depots etc.


    A task manager shows running programs. If a program misses a component it cannot run. So how can this no running "task" be listed in a task manager? Only for the short second or less when it tries to start and then it will be gone again from the list.
    Even if: it would not be the objective of a task manager at all to point to which files you shall download. Tools like Snoopium are exactly there to show which components are missing. And then you can go to Aminet and search for them.

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    I am all in for helping bounty with 10-20 euros. I would give more if goal can be extended to portable AROS/OS 3.x+Vamp functions/OS4 ports so we have a bit standardizet "scout" for all, until system will be able to display better error messages about missing components.


    Thinking of so many other platforms only makes the program blown and complicated. More than we need it. I think it will be good to have a small and specialized program instead. And no other platform can benefit from the MOS structures. So it will be useless there. What you ask for is already there. It is caleld Scout.
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    naTmeg
    Posts: 127 from 2004/2/8
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    connor wrote:
    It is a task manager. A task manager without the possibility to kill a task does not make sense.


    You can't kill a task completely on an OS without resource-tracking. You can suspend a task and even remove it, but there will be always rests. Memory, ports, interrupts, io-handles, screens and many more will stay in the memory. You could do it by hand but that's like finding a needle in a haystack, for a complete remove.

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    connor wrote:
    I expect all the functionality from Scout to be in ScoutNG because they are very helpful.


    The old Scout also does not completely remove a task. You need to salute with three fingers for a task to be killed :)

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    Look's nice!
  • »23.08.18 - 16:15
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 1683 from 2003/3/5
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    Preview of the exec library monitoring facilities.

    ScoutNG binary
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    KennyR
    Posts: 422 from 2003/3/4
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    Jim wrote:
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    takemehomegrandma wrote:
    Very good idea, go for it! :-)


    Yes, needed. Can't count the number of times I have to kill processes under Windows, and under MorphOS I'm forced to reboot.
    Great idea.


    Better to reboot when you're ready than be forced to when you're not.
  • »04.10.18 - 21:28
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 1683 from 2003/3/5
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    A few more words about this: it took a while to get to this point, but the internals are pretty flexible thanks to that. This is how Scout is able to show a controlling task of a msg port easily or safely update the data of a Task, etc. At this stage the Exec module still isn’t complete - I want to add detail views for Message Ports and Semaphores and list a few more Exec lists. The Message Ports and Semaphores will be reused for Intuition and other modules later on.
  • »05.10.18 - 08:38
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