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You are right, Trevor's shares in his partnership with Ben Hermans, or Hyperion, for the first incarnation of A-Eon, have nothing to do with Hyperion shares. I guess my meaning was that Trevor probably has no financial stake in any Hyperion shares, since his break with Hermans and the dissolution of A-Eon CVBA, unless he was granted shares of Hyperion Entertainment in return for part of his substantial investment in the original A-Eon CVBA, to compensate him for granting Ben Hermans, or Hyperion Entertainment a larger percentage of ownership in A-Eon CVBA. I hope that makes more sense.

I don't believe that Hermans had any cash to invest as part of his partial ownership in the first A-Eon company. What else could he offer, besides shares of Hyperion Entertainment, with an imaginary value?

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I don't know if you've followed the 3 part article on the X1000 in Amiga Future written from Trevor's perspective. But part 3, stated to have newish information on this history is due out in short order.

btw-you don't happen to have the date when Evert posted and the Dutch docs about the change at A-eon appeared on moobunny, do you?

#6

>>> When Trevor and Hyperion dissolved their partnership based in Belgium

>> A-Eon CVBA was co-owned by Ben Hermans but it had nothing to do with Hyperion.

> You are right, Trevor's shares in his partnership with Ben Hermans, or Hyperion,
> for the first incarnation of A-Eon, have nothing to do with Hyperion shares.

What I meant is that in order to form A-Eon CVBA, Trevor entered into a partnership with Ben Hermans, but did not need to enter into a partnership with Hyperion. So even if Trevor became shareholder of Hyperion back then, this wasn't required to form A-Eon CVBA with Ben Hermans.

> Trevor probably has no financial stake in any Hyperion shares

This is what Trevor wrote in August 2017:

"I made a quick trip to Brussels to attend the Hyperion Entertainment Shareholder's AGM. [...] we [...] were later joined by fellow Hyperion shareholder Ben Hermans"
http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/?p=10322

Whether or not Trevor attending a Hyperion shareholder meeting in June 2017 would indicate him being a Hyperion shareholder in 2017 I don't know.

> granting Ben Hermans, or Hyperion Entertainment a larger percentage of ownership
> in A-Eon CVBA.

As said, Hyperion was not a co-owner of A-Eon CVBA, but Ben Hermans was.

> I don't believe that Hermans had any cash to invest as part of his partial
> ownership in the first A-Eon company. What else could he offer, besides
> shares of Hyperion Entertainment, with an imaginary value?

I must admit the idea is appealing :-)

> I don't know if you've followed the 3 part article on the X1000
> in Amiga Future written from Trevor's perspective.

Only the first page of each part used as teaser on Twitter and Facebook :-)

> part 3, stated to have newish information on this history

Yes, even the first page does have new information not made public before :-)

> you don't happen to have the date when Evert posted and the Dutch docs
> about the change at A-eon appeared on moobunny, do you?

I do have the dates and links to the documents of the A-Eon changes (Hermans quits A-Eon CVBA director position, A-Eon Ltd. founded, A-Eon CVBA dissolved), but not any "date when Evert posted and the Dutch docs about the change at A-eon appeared on moobunny", sorry.

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Yes, saw your "only after" link in your posts above which has the direct links for anyone who needs to catch up.
Thank you for checking.

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I've read the article with interest, however the Professor of Marketing seems to confuse culture/education with intelligence. Somebody could be an intelligent person without education, etc... and being the smartest won't guarantee that you are the most suitable person for a job, perhaps someone not so smart but with better attitude and education is more suitable for certain job. Being smart doesn't mean you are automatically a better person. You don't need the smartest ones for all the jobs anyway as they would become bored easily. There's some trend about resurrecting the obsolete multiple "intelligences" theories but there's just (a single) intelligence. Somebody could have multiple skills but these are not magically turned into "intelligence". Those are other skills and some of these can be learnt. You can learn to solve problems or to be methodic, but you can't magically increase your intelligence when you are a grown up. Having lower IQ than somebody else shouldn't make us ashamed: you are not a worse person, the other person could still be a moron, a smart moron but a moron anyway. And if it's not then much better, we'll have something to learn from him/her.

[ Edited by Crumb 27.02.2019 - 00:03 ]

It's more important to note that IQ is unscientific nonsense. As a concept it was developed to justify eugenics.

> and all that follows
> Could be nothing. Could be something. You decide.
> [...] prior to this it was a wordpress contact page since October,
> 2017 with all the former "content" removed.

If I interpret correctly what's been said in this video at about 15:05 and 21:10, the ROT13-coded messages appearing on amiga.com have been from Cloanto all along.

(The video has some direct messages from Cloanto starting from 19:40.)

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More relevant perhaps?

#6

>>> and all that follows
>>> Could be nothing. Could be something. You decide.
>>> [...] prior to this it was a wordpress contact page since October,
>>> 2017 with all the former "content" removed.

>> If I interpret correctly what's been said in this video at about 15:05 and 21:10,
>> the ROT13-coded messages appearing on amiga.com have been from Cloanto all
>> along. (The video has some direct messages from Cloanto starting from 19:40.)

> More relevant perhaps?

At least not regarding change of domain ownership :-) Thanks anyway.

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Apparently none of it surprising, else there would have been some talk.

#6

>> If I interpret correctly what's been said in this video at about 15:05 and 21:10,
>> the ROT13-coded messages appearing on amiga.com have been from Cloanto all
>> along. (The video has some direct messages from Cloanto starting from 19:40.)

> Apparently none of it surprising, else there would have been some talk.

https://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2019-03-00029-DE.html (only German for now)

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Still better than having to cut and paste from the video. heh.

#6

@number6:

English translation of our yesterday's news-item is online now:
https://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2019-03-00029-EN.html

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...and here is the link to the very interesting post that you posted in the german comments section only:

https://amiga-news.de/en/news/comments/305738..html

Ben Herman’s / Hyperion’s filthy practices are becoming more and more undeniable even to “teh true!!1!” believers. Truth will soon enlighten them. The blind since 18 years will see. And this is why that Nietzsche quote about the future that currently is in the html of amiga.com is so brilliant:

"The snake which cannot cast its skin has to die. As well the minds which are prevented from changing their opinions; they cease to be mind."

> here is the link to the very interesting post that you posted
> in the german comments section only:
> https://amiga-news.de/en/news/comments/305738..html

See comment #633 :-)

Michael from Cloanto Interview and Q&A from public, please share!

Looks like EAB has
gone full retard in the "bad old AmigaWorld" mode, by censoring one side of the conversation and allowing full scale bashing and linking illegal material against those who it doesn't like.

And we all know how that ended. Empowered by censoring 'negativity' on AWN, and later Amigans.net (when the loonies could no longer get wrongthinkers banned with a PM to a mod) AmigaONE and OS4 went on to rule the world...

...NOT.

[ Edited by KennyR 13.03.2019 - 17:44 ]

@KennyR

Amazing that so many seems desperate to re-live the holocaust...

"The snake which cannot cast its skin has to die. As well the minds which are prevented from changing their opinions; they cease to be mind."

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That seedy underbelly has been there for a long time, at least 15 years if not longer. When I walked away from the Kommunity, I had people tell me that EAB was different. Luckily I knew better. I'm not surprised their stripes are showing now.

I actually own an Amiga classic again, but it is so much more enjoyable without having to interact in such a toxic Kommunity where people either seek ultimate control of a dead platform at any means, or are just there for emotional validation.

> allowing [...] linking illegal material against those who it doesn't like

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=1310567
http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=1310587

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The same site that maintains The Zone since forever?

With a search like this and results like this?

>>> allowing [...] linking illegal material against those who it doesn't like

>> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=1310567
>> http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=1310587

> The same site that maintains The Zone since forever?

This is what seems to make the difference for them (emphasis mine):

"DO NOT upload Workbench disks, Kickstart ROMs & software or music files still supported/for sale to The Zone."

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Well there's a certain Belgian tosspot who used to crack C64 games and sells 68k ROMs that he doesn't own, wouldn't surprise me if it's him posting links to pirated copies of Cloantos IP.

A Leopard doesn't change its spots.

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>> part 3, stated to have newish information on this history

> Yes, even the first page does have new information not made public before :-)

Confirmation by Trevor in recent Amiga Future issue of some of these comments (emphasis mine):

"the long drawn out saga over delivery of the CPUs had raised some concerns. Moorley privately contacted A-EON's bank in Belgium to obtain the transaction history only to discover that the account was virtually empty. Apparently, Hyperion [...] had used A-EON’s funds to keep itself afloat. As a result, A-EON did not have enough money to pay Varisys for the Nemo 2.0 programme... ...I was still keen to see the project through and fortunately Moorley agreed with me. A repayment schedule was agreed with Hyperion/Hermans and, in late December [2010], he resigned his A-EON directorship and relinquished his token shareholding in the company. I took over the management of A-EON on a temporary basis and began co-ordinating with Varisys, AmigaKit and the Hyperion OS4 development team to get the X1000 project back on track."
https://docs.google.com/file/d/1gMRbIa_V9Lb5MJMiEYPwtwzFeCBjWRQZ/edit