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koszer

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Quote:

Jim wrote:
Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> iMac ports have already been shown, and a late 2005 G5 port wouldn't be too hard.

...and has already been shown as well

Photos?

zukow's been showing/demoing it at AmiParty (Chełm/Poland) several times already. I was looking for some photos, but all I found was MorphOS 3.12 on an A1200/BlizzardPPC. I guess only Andreas Wolf would find the right one.
»28.05.19 - 05:44

zukow

# 12
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From: Poland

I can make photo/screenshot from G5 PCie. What do you want to see?
»28.05.19 - 12:12

Papiosaur

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Hi zukow,

i would like to see a PowerMac G5 Quad with MorphOS
Easy2Install
www.meta-morphos.org
www.morphos-storage.net
»28.05.19 - 15:56

Jim

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Quote:

zukow wrote:
I can make photo/screenshot from G5 PCie. What do you want to see?

PowerMac 2005 or iMac?
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»28.05.19 - 16:26

Jim

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Quote:

koszer wrote:
Quote:

Jim wrote:
Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> iMac ports have already been shown, and a late 2005 G5 port wouldn't be too hard.

...and has already been shown as well

Photos?

zukow's been showing/demoing it at AmiParty (Chełm/Poland) several times already. I was looking for some photos, but all I found was MorphOS 3.12 on an A1200/BlizzardPPC. I guess only Andreas Wolf would find the right one.

Oh my! Post that! An updated MorphOS for Amiga Classic would be too cool.
Considering some of the experiments going on with the sonnet PPC cards, there might even be cpus powerful enough to make that practical.
I've seen a few that were clocked at 800 MHz.
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»28.05.19 - 16:29

Kronos

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@Jim

MorphOS on P5-HW has been shown on several occasions, but I doubt the reasons why it isn't public have changed or will ever change.

The Sonnet+Mediator+WarpOS hack only works cos the real OS (AmigaOS3.x) is still running on the 68k side of things.

Without it you'd have no way to access KBD, floppy onboard-IDE/SCSI or Zorro cards.

As for the iMac (to get somewhat BTT) 1st I had it at Geits (and running MorphOS) was 6 years ago so thats for sure not the newsworthy part of that picture !!
»28.05.19 - 16:43

Jim

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Kronos wrote:
@Jim

MorphOS on P5-HW has been shown on several occasions, but I doubt the reasons why it isn't public have changed or will ever change.

The Sonnet+Mediator+WarpOS hack only works cos the real OS (AmigaOS3.x) is still running on the 68k side of things.

Without it you'd have no way to access KBD, floppy onboard-IDE/SCSI or Zorro cards.

As for the iMac (to get somewhat BTT) 1st I had it at Geits (and running MorphOS) was 6 years ago so thats for sure not the newsworthy part of that picture !!

The only reason I have ever seen posted was that we already have a lot of supported hardware.
But the late 2005 G5 would be a great model to have with its PCIe expansion slots.
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»28.05.19 - 17:29

zukow

# 18
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Posts: 645 from 2005/2/9

From: Poland

I have two PowerMacs G5 PCIe, one with Radeon with Mac bios and one with PC bios (this is my main dev machine and i use it everyday)

[ Edited by zukow 28.05.2019 - 20:12 ]
»28.05.19 - 18:12

Jim

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Quote:

zukow wrote:
I have two PowerMacs G5 PCIe, one with Radeon with Mac bios and one with PC bios (this is my main dev machine and i use it everyday)

My Quad is sitting right in front of me. It's got OSX on it right now, but I'm trying to figure out a good Linux distro for it.
I have an Apple X1900GT video card in it, but if I were to install an alternative OS I'd upgrade to a newer PC video card.

They'd make great MorphOS machines, and I'm trying to figure out how set up VMs on it.
Running more than one OS on this would be cool.

[ Edited by Jim 28.05.2019 - 21:38 ]
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»28.05.19 - 18:47

Andreas_Wolf

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> Photos?

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=11381&start=33
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=11381&start=37
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=11381&start=44
»28.05.19 - 22:13

Andreas_Wolf

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>> all I found was MorphOS 3.12 on an A1200/BlizzardPPC.

> Oh my! Post that! An updated MorphOS for Amiga Classic would be too cool.

The last PowerUP version I read of was MorphOS 3.8, and 3.10 was alluded to. So it's no surprise even later versions exist.

> there might even be cpus powerful enough to make that practical.
> I've seen a few that were clocked at 800 MHz.

1.0 GHz G4 is the fastest card successfully tested so far, I think.
»28.05.19 - 22:55

redrumloa

# 22
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If it will be a while for the first real X86-64 release, I most certainly wouldn't mind a G5 Quad/PCIe release. It would probably be a pretty quick new register for me.
»28.05.19 - 23:52

koszer

# 23
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From: Poland

Quote:

Jim wrote:
Quote:

koszer wrote:
zukow's been showing/demoing it at AmiParty (Chełm/Poland) several times already. I was looking for some photos, but all I found was MorphOS 3.12 on an A1200/BlizzardPPC. I guess only Andreas Wolf would find the right one.

Oh my! Post that! An updated MorphOS for Amiga Classic would be too cool.

Here:

YsHal8A.jpg
»29.05.19 - 05:29

Jim

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Quote:

koszer wrote:
Quote:

Jim wrote:
Quote:

koszer wrote:
zukow's been showing/demoing it at AmiParty (Chełm/Poland) several times already. I was looking for some photos, but all I found was MorphOS 3.12 on an A1200/BlizzardPPC. I guess only Andreas Wolf would find the right one.

Oh my! Post that! An updated MorphOS for Amiga Classic would be too cool.

Here:

YsHal8A.jpg

That ought to be released, as should the iMac G5 port, and a port for the late 2005 G5.

I'd try to build a classic system with PCI.
What we'd really need is Sonnet PPC support.

I missed a chance to buy an 800 MHz board last year.

A CBM or Escom Amiga that could run OS3.1-3.9, OS4.1, and MorphOS would be rather cool.
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»29.05.19 - 17:20

Kronos

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Quote:

Jim wrote:

What we'd really need is Sonnet PPC support.

Do I really need to quote myself from 25 hours ago ;)
»29.05.19 - 17:27

Jim

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Quote:

Kronos wrote:
Quote:

Jim wrote:

What we'd really need is Sonnet PPC support.

Do I really need to quote myself from 25 hours ago ;)

No, just include the post and the thread.
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»29.05.19 - 19:20

Kronos

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Or you could just scroll down (or up, depending on your prefs) a bit.........

On the list of the most pointless targets for a MorphOS port (that will never happen anyways) a Mediator+Sonnet comes in below:

X1000
SAM440
Yikes (B/W PowerMacG3 and early PowerMacG4)
G3 PowerBook
G3 iBook
Beige G3 PowerMac
603/604 Macs (those that the Sonnet was supposed to go in)
BeBox
Mac-Clones
TeronOne

Edith:
The Sonnet is supposed to go into 601 based Macs, feel free to list those below the Mediator+Sonnet combo

[ Edited by Kronos 29.05.2019 - 21:38 ]
»29.05.19 - 19:32

Andreas_Wolf

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> What we'd really need is Sonnet PPC support. I missed a chance
> to buy an 800 MHz board last year.

Sonnet PCI cards (i.e. Crescendo 7200) max out at 500 MHz. Faster cards supported by SonnetLibrary are not Sonnet cards but various PMC cards to be installed on a PCI carrier board.
»29.05.19 - 21:19

Jim

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Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> What we'd really need is Sonnet PPC support. I missed a chance
> to buy an 800 MHz board last year.

Sonnet PCI cards (i.e. Crescendo 7200) max out at 500 MHz. Faster cards supported by SonnetLibrary are not Sonnet cards but various PMC cards to be installed on a PCI carrier board.

The card I was offered via eBay was listed as a Sonnet card pulled from a Mac clone.
Other Sonnet PPC cards were also available.

If the listing was incorrect, at least it made me aware of the availability of 800 MHz card. I you now state that there were 1 GHz cards.

Actually, the few G4 level cpus still available range around 1.3 GHz (unless you include the 7448).
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»30.05.19 - 01:19

Andreas_Wolf

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>> Sonnet PCI cards (i.e. Crescendo 7200) max out at 500 MHz.
>> Faster cards supported by SonnetLibrary are not Sonnet cards
>> but various PMC cards to be installed on a PCI carrier board.

> The card I was offered via eBay was listed as a Sonnet card pulled from a Mac clone.

Only PCI cards (or non-PCI cards on a PCI carrier) are of use in a PCI-enabled classic Amiga. Faster than 500 MHz Sonnet cards are not PCI but for proprietary Apple connectors.

> If the listing was incorrect, at least it made me aware of the availability of 800 MHz card.

If the listing claimed it was a PCI card, then it definitely was incorrect. Overall, non-PCI Sonnet cards go up to 1.8 GHz.

> I you now state that there were 1 GHz cards.

As I wrote, these are not Sonnet PCI cards but various (non-Sonnet) PMC cards to be installed on a PCI carrier board. The support library is called SonnetLibrary simply because it all started with Sonnet PCI cards. Most cards currently supported by SonnetLibrary are non-Sonnet cards, though.

> the few G4 level cpus still available range around 1.3 GHz (unless you include the 7448).

None of these Sonnet cards are PCI so irrelevant for PCI-enabled classic Amiga.
»30.05.19 - 13:28

Jim

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Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
>> Sonnet PCI cards (i.e. Crescendo 7200) max out at 500 MHz.
>> Faster cards supported by SonnetLibrary are not Sonnet cards
>> but various PMC cards to be installed on a PCI carrier board.

> The card I was offered via eBay was listed as a Sonnet card pulled from a Mac clone.

Only PCI cards (or non-PCI cards on a PCI carrier) are of use in a PCI-enabled classic Amiga. Faster than 500 MHz Sonnet cards are not PCI but for proprietary Apple connectors.

> If the listing was incorrect, at least it made me aware of the availability of 800 MHz card.

If the listing claimed it was a PCI card, then it definitely was incorrect. Overall, non-PCI Sonnet cards go up to 1.8 GHz.

> I you now state that there were 1 GHz cards.

As I wrote, these are not Sonnet PCI cards but various (non-Sonnet) PMC cards to be installed on a PCI carrier board. The support library is called SonnetLibrary simply because it all started with Sonnet PCI cards. Most cards currently supported by SonnetLibrary are non-Sonnet cards, though.

> the few G4 level cpus still available range around 1.3 GHz (unless you include the 7448).

None of these Sonnet cards are PCI so irrelevant for PCI-enabled classic Amiga.

So provide me some info about the PMC cards.
And the Mac compatible the card was listed along with Sonnet cards, and was listed as PCI, not a proprietary interface.

But again, could be wrong.
As to the 1.3 GHz cpus I was referring to, that's just the stock of processors NXP has left (outside of the 7448). Its surprisingly very few.

So, references for the PMC cards and the carriers?
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»30.05.19 - 14:47

Jim

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No just provide the number of the post.
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»30.05.19 - 15:04

Andreas_Wolf

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> the Mac compatible the card was listed along with Sonnet cards, and was listed as PCI,
> not a proprietary interface. But again, could be wrong.

Wrong for sure. The only Sonnet accelerators for the PCI slot are the Crescendo 7200 cards, which, as said, max out at 500 MHz. There's a Sonnet card series called Crescendo/PCI G4 available at 700, 800 and 1000 MHz, but despite the name, these are not PCI cards. Maybe it was one of these?

> As to the 1.3 GHz cpus I was referring to, that's just the stock of
> processors NXP has left (outside of the 7448). Its surprisingly very few.

This shouldn't be relevant as nobody will seriously want to restart production of any of the compatible cards anyway.

> provide me some info about the PMC cards. [...] references for the PMC cards and the carriers?

See there (info is somewhat cluttered):
http://aminet.net/package/driver/other/SonnetLibrary
https://github.com/Sakura-IT/SonnetAmiga
https://github.com/Sakura-IT/SonnetAmiga/wiki
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=76633 (start at comment #1447 on page 73)
»30.05.19 - 18:39

Jim

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Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> the Mac compatible the card was listed along with Sonnet cards, and was listed as PCI,
> not a proprietary interface. But again, could be wrong.

Wrong for sure. The only Sonnet accelerators for the PCI slot are the Crescendo 7200 cards, which, as said, max out at 500 MHz. There's a Sonnet card series called Crescendo/PCI G4 available at 700, 800 and 1000 MHz, but despite the name, these are not PCI cards. Maybe it was one of these.

Most likely, I should have noted the make and model of the computer.
It's entirely like they implemented Apple's CPU slot.

As to the 7200s, reverse engineering them would be a chore. Although it should be possible to add the missing multipliers.

Still, from what I have seen, these things are a PITA to program.
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»06.06.19 - 21:26

Jim

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Quote:

Kronos wrote:
Or you could just scroll down (or up, depending on your prefs) a bit.........

On the list of the most pointless targets for a MorphOS port (that will never happen anyways) a Mediator+Sonnet comes in below:

X1000
SAM440
Yikes (B/W PowerMacG3 and early PowerMacG4)
G3 PowerBook
G3 iBook
Beige G3 PowerMac
603/604 Macs (those that the Sonnet was supposed to go in)
BeBox
Mac-Clones
TeronOne

Edith:
The Sonnet is supposed to go into 601 based Macs, feel free to list those below the Mediator+Sonnet combo

Considering that we are still supporting the 400MHz G3 level
Efika, does any of this matter?

Hey a Mediator equipped Amiga with a 500 MHz Sonnet card might be faster than the Efika.

Accelerated Amiga's hold some kind of weird form of nostalgia, but realistically I can't see using anything before the 1.42 GHz G4.

The fact that a 1.33 GHz accelerator could be built is mildly interesting, but I'd still rather have a late 2005 G5.

But hey, isn't the TeronOne almost the same as a Pegasos I?
And the only reason the X1000 has never gotten any love is because of Ben Hermans' involvement (because, let's face it, it has many advantages over an X5000).

[ Edited by Jim 07.06.2019 - 23:17 ]
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»08.06.19 - 03:08