Times goes by. Time changes all the time and it gives you to think. World is going towards new goals, new meaning of things etc.

MorphOS is here and its given me Amiga feeling back for everything. Windows isn't my OS, neither Linux. They simply don't fit into me. I use MorphOS, because it got strength of the Amiga World, but also the power of POWERPC.

It also contains MUI, which I love configure. MorphOS is your personal OS, but it needs updates! Yes..., and Genesi should come out with new MorphOS releases, when new parts is done.

MorphOS should be FREE as in all betas etc should be free. Most of us wants MorphOS to be more FREE than AmigaOS, and by giving people choices to run BETA versions or not, shouldn't be to difficult. Also releasing MorphOS for exsisting CyberstormPPC and BlizzardPPC boards shouldn't be to difficult.

Would be great if people which can program and have those cards, could develope MorphOS programs.

The problem with Genesi I think. Is that they think that time dosen't matter and since MorphOS v1.4 is stable ennough (they think), its should wait, wait, wait for a new release of MorphOS. With all this MorphOS v1.5 showing on different parties arround Europe etc. It would be really great if Genesi could atleast give the users more freedom than under Commodore time and showing that Genesi is infact BETTER than Hyperion and Eyetech.

Why should people wait? This was my reason for getting MorphOS. It had lots of updates. I felt that development was there and the bad AmigaOS times were over. But now it seems like Genesi starts to fall appart.

A company should have a great reputation. Without good reputation, the company will have problems. And Genesi is such company that needs the support from its community to survive. Genesi needs to understand that care about its community is IMPORTANT! This community have been waiting for the "new amiga" in long, long time. And finally PegasosI and PegasosII is here, but OS. Thats what we live for.

Linux is scary difficult, Windows is too messy, MacOS is way to slow... so.. MorphOS fitts here very well. Genesi should start to think about its community, and not going into anything else.

I've got lots of PC users over to MorphOS, but its so difficult to get companies to start develope for it. As Genesi have allready got some negative words from x-developers, OpenBSD etc. This is not good! Its also about the war between red and blue which scares companies off.

If Genesi could just focus on MorphOS and Pegasos. Giving the community trust etc. Genesi could be the second Apple alike company. Living because of its community. Think about this bbrv!

I wish Genesi all the best into the future, and wishes its comeback when things happends. Because things at the moment is not that good, and you need to get better reputation to sell good!

Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org

Guess what, Genesi have probraly just as much influence on the release of MOS1.5 as
you, me or my mum.

AmiDelf

Nice post but you have some facts mixed up. AFAIK Genesi itself is not who decides releases of MOS - its the MOS devs... and the LAST thing they need is to release Beta and have all the users wah wah wah about it and such.... 1.5 is not ready and they have a reputation for SOLID releases not Bugged stuff..

magnetic

Amidelf,

Magnetic is right, Genesi will love to have release faster.
I believe the 1.5 version will be here very soon ;)

About your post, i'm sorry but I don't believe the Mos/Peg package by itself is enough for Genesi to survive, at least today. Don't forget that there are thousand of linux users. If they get a Pegasos they will try Mos and the interest will grow.

be patient and mors optimistic :)

Quote:

Not at all (at least as long as we're just looking at the hardware and Linux). IF they succeed to get Freescale licencing the Pegasos design or a similar deal of that scale, they'd earn magnitudes more than they ever could from us few remaining Amiga users. What I do not like about their strategy regarding this, though, is that they seem to play "all or nothing" - i.e. instead of backing their venture up by additionally also taking on smaller opportunities to found a small but stable environment, they seem to be focussed onto the possible maximum only. IMHO.

...Delf,

all I will say (without adding fuel to the flames) is that we had very similar discussion in #morphos this morning and unfortunately here are the 'facts':

1. Genesi right now is focussing on opportunities that will lead to a level of sustainable business.
2. Right now, MorphOS is not that opportunity.

There are a good few honest questions that need answering but right now no-one is prepared to step up and do so *or* the above 'facts' are the answer. Not liking the answer doesn't change it unfortunately.

Like anyone else who is interested, you just have to keep hoping for the new software....it's not as if MOS1.4 (.2) doesn't do a great deal of what it set out to just that we have all had our appetites whetted by the public demo of 1.5 beta modules. In hindsight, maybe MOS team should not have done this because it set false expectations on people, like us, not 'in the know.'

Keep on with your dreams though

Hi...

We would have been pleased to participate in that discussion on #morphos this morning.

Let us just add to JKD's post that without #1 there might not be a MorphOS 1.5. There are still many things to do and developers need to be paid to do them.

We are inclined to charge for future versions of MorphOS, but continue to bundle it with the Pegasos/ODW as a matter of course.

In the meanwhile, there continue to be a number of people working every day to advance Genesi/bplan, the Pegasos, and MorphOS - some are paid and some are volunteers. The webmaster here is a paid member of the Genesi USA staff. The office in Germany is open. Pegasos machines are being made and shipped. We are trying to build a solid foundation for the future so that MorphOS has one too....

We appreciate our users and always appreciate the feedback both good and bad we get here!

Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill

Hi bbrv,

Quote:

As you probably read in the other thread,there are people (me included) prepared to pay for MorphOS (to help out the developers and all).

Offcourse it would be nice to have some promised functions, like the printing-part, fully functional.
As you heard these kinds of words in the past, I'll shut up

Bye,

Spidey

>i'm sorry but I don't believe the Mos/Peg package by itself is enough for
>Genesi to survive, at least today.

Yes, but if Genesi fail in this "big" sales, wath will happen?, we are dead?, i mean MOS community, if they can´t survive just with us and no big sales come, wath will be the strategy to not fall in the same path as our classic machine ? i know this questions is only focused in the Amiga-MOS users, but for us "we are" Amiga MOS users, and i guess this is wath is more important to us, no hard feelings Bill .

Maybe Genesi will soon lose the focus in MOS community, as we are not that important to "sales" any more, and focus the real "money flow" as this is probably the only way to survive, but and us ? we going to end up like classic aminet users again ? no OS updates, everthing we can get is overpriced and probably do less for more etc... well this not the case of my PegII of course .

I hope this not become a bad dream again.

Now, forget the bad thoughts , as MOS 1.5 will be available soon probably, will be a CD in very good quality like the 1.4.2 that come with my PegII ? i mean i will be able to buy this from "Pegasos.com" like i did with the my PegII, or i will get the CD delivered to me for free , or i will only have the option to download the ISO ?

just tell us this BBRV, tell us there is some BIG deal about tog o down witch will bring in a lot of csh and you can pay those developers ot code there little brains out...

[ Edited by poundsmack on 2004/7/21 11:43 ]

...

I will try to get some clarifications for everyone. Just hang on for a day or two.

I hope with good news Targhan?

Bye,

Spidey

Glad to hear you are still employed, times are tough across the US....I've said goodbye to too many good people this year (and last year for that matter.)

If you have any influence to convince the powers that be regarding a sooner transition to MOS1.5, showing betas and stuff in public then you know what to do!

Good luck,

Steve

[ Edited by JKD on 2004/7/21 13:54 ]

@JKD

Releasing betas sucks, this is not linux or OS4...

@bbrv

Ok, but please support the own hardware of Pegasos, It's crap not support completely things of the main HW as the parallel port. I think that must wait a bit more for can be selled, you cant sell a product that people will not buy because lack of certain things...

Hi BBRV and everyone!

Quote:

I have to agree here (about paying for future MOS versions) however you also have to take into consideration WHICH upgrades we pay for.

IMO only a major release with major upgrades should be payed for. MOS 1.# had promised things which we havn't yet got like printing support (ok, we do but its majorly broken) and which 1.5 is looking good on providing. Such an update as 1.5 should be free for all existing users. And if Im reading what BBRV is saying then Ive no doubt 1.5 will be free. Once 1.5 is released then any other minor updates (1.5.1/1.5.2 etc) should also be free of course.

It is only when Genesi and the developers do something major, that warrants a jump in version to 2.0 (in other words when the OS as it stands is FLAWLESS and also adds in at least two major new pointers (Firewire and Gigabit ethernet use for e.g.) that we should be asked to pay for the update.

All other OS's do this - apple, m$, etc. They all reelase the small updates for free and charge for the major step-ups. Its expected. A company can not live on hardware sales alone - the OS updates have to be sold, not given away. But only a major update, not bugfixes and minor additions like we are getting with 1.4-1.4.2.

Anyway, I've said enough I'm happy to pay for updates (hell, I still need money to do my pegI - pegII exchange!!!!!! but I will eventually get there!)

TTFN
Bifford.

Hi bifford, i agree but will not be better to "calm the community", with lets say, a 3 to 3 months minor stuffs release, and get going like 1.4.3 then 1.4.4...

That way we can se some progress keep the faith an maybe everybody will be more happy .

[ Edited by DDJ on 2004/7/22 14:33 ]

Quote:

Maybe, maybe not. But we'd be even more dead if Genesi never tried.

What would you rather have, Genesi partnered with Freescale and selling thousands upon thousands of machines to support the MorphOS community, or 10 years more waiting while we struggle to find cash from YOUR thinning wallets?

Neko

Matt (or anyone who feels like chipping in),

there's a core group of people that are trying desperately to support MorphOS, on their own time and for free (in some cases with personal expense...travel etc.) It's not our thinning wallets that want to give you more money...we merely try to convince other people to open up their wallets

Is this do-able? Yes...even with the large obstacles that are in the way i.e. availability (it has already been discussed to death) and progress on the Operating System front.

As much as I hate to beat the drum again, MorphOS developers need to be more communicative to thse users and potential users of the platform if it is to grow. So please, answer definitatively if you can:

Are all core Genesi people working on Freescale/other things? Is there really (honestly) no time (and we are talking a few hrs max here) to set-up a process whereby software, feature lists etc. are available for user group meetings, websitse, webzines, shows etc.?

I didn't need to find out just *one week* before Amiwest that I could not have access to even the same MOS1.5 demo that bigfoot presented, let alone an updated one, when I was already promised it 5 weeks before that date. Heck...I can't even get AmiTCP v5 so we can do a 'head to head' with Roadshow.*

Am I guilty of over-simplification? Maybe...but it's time to get back to basics. There are several (maybe troll-like or flamebait) posts in this thread stating that the community will be gone if MOS1.5 takes 6 months. 9 months a year to get out there. I have to say I agree with them...the only thing that can prevent this is either the release of MOS1.5 ( ) or allowing the people that want to access to the material to keep the momentum going on their own.

Peace out! (Yes...I've lived in America far too long already)

Steve

*PS We have lots of classic and some native MOS apps to demo anyway, to answer your point to me on email

[edit] On reflection this post might have been better as an email but we seem to be able to have good discussion here on MZ (mainly) and the subject is quite poignant (for me) right now....publish and be damned, I've nothing to hide

[ Edited by JKD on 2004/7/22 10:32 ]

I agree on just about all the points in here. JKD I also agree with you thats it total BS we cant get a version of MOS 1.5 to show at a major event. Even the one Bigfoot had would be better then nothing at all. If all the Genesi people are to busy to show off MOS thats fine, but they had two of us that took time off (BBRV I know you know how hard it is to take time off in the military) to go out to the show in place of a real member of Genesi for just the cost of the booth. The deciding factor for me to attend was being able to show the Pegasos and MorphOS as a real member of the team in a real Genesi booth. I am so proud of that. Getting no further support other then some seriously outdated flyers that I had to get printed myself was also a shock. I fully expected to pay my way out and for my room, but I had hoped for at least some good solid support from staffers to get this thing off the ground in a way to make it stand out.

Back to MorphOS 1.5 now. If they no longer have a goal of making it better then I would like to know right now and up front. I can say this much with total fact. If we dont get 1.5 out before the final release of AmigaOS 4 we are doomed and all the head start we have on them is gone forever with little or no hope of gaining it back. That should be the FIRST thought on all our minds. I wanted to make the show a major leap for us, and I still plan to do just that. I am going to push MOS so hard on the Amiga users and show them that the Pegasos is a better Amiga then the A1 is. that is my dream. I cant do that alone and with no support from the dev team and Genesi. I just hope Steve and I can do some good at this show and open a few eyes with what we have. And we have put together quite a bit of nice stuff to show off!!!!

bump!

OK JKD, you need to bring AciII into the loop when you are at AmiWest.

Of course, there will be a 1.5 and of course, we will continue to promote and support MorphOS.

But, there are bigger issues than sometimes seem to be missed by some of our users in this community. You might want to read this article that appreared in the New York Times this morning.

Our focus is to find the right fit for MorphOS were its features and ability are more attractive than other alternatives. On this, we have never stopped working. When we understand the opportunity for MorphOS fully then we can concentrate the development on what is important. It will happen. The issue is just when.

In the meanwhile, we are working on ways to draw attention to MorphOS as it is. Fortunately, there is at least one very favorable situation happening now.

R&B

I think it's fair to say that Acill jumped the gun when he assumed work had maybe stopped on MorphOS and that it wasn't continuing due to lack of funds. We are aware of the excellent work been done with Freescale and otehr accounts.

That said, I can't put anyone straight on something I don't understand and that is why it is impossible to take a handful of minutes out of someone's time to provide the MOS binaries for public demonstrations etc.

You clearly stil want to spread the word and we're not talking about doing demonstrations in front of large/medium or even small business oriented clients here....we're talking about showing to a select group (call them fanatics if you will) by people who have a fair number of years vested in these things. We are talking about *keeping the momentum going*

Private mail if you wish.

You have our support, please don't mind the frustrations but don't ignore them

Steve

[ Edited by JKD on 2004/7/23 10:11 ]

@bbrv
want a way to promote MOS? contact the people at thechtv! have them do a spot on it and have someone who knows MOS well demo it on the screen savers. techtv is always looking for things like this so they will let u do it u jsut need ot talk to them....and your going ot get a lot! of viewers watching it will be a big promotion!

Hey poundsmack i think thats a great idea to show it at techtv. Bill McEwan was there and he demoed AmigaAnywhere with some Games on PocketPC, and i think the techtv guys would like to show MorphOS!

TechTV has already talked about MorphOS and Europe:
"It's all over the place!"

Shouldn't be any problem to get a few minutes of airtime.