MorphOS : : Public Release of MorphOS 3.12
Posted By: ASiegel. on 2019/10/2 10:45:28

Public Release of MorphOS 3.12

The MorphOS development team is proud to announce the public release of MorphOS 3.12. This new version introduces brand new dual-monitor capabilities to various Powerbook laptops as well as G5 desktop systems, and features improved thermal management, fan control and dynamic CPU frequency switching, which provide increased energy efficiency and reduced noise levels. Additionally, the Helios Firewire stack has been fully integrated into the core OS and we added support for hundreds of modern printers and scanners.

Furthermore, the Odyssey web browser has been upgraded and now utilizes newer and more modern components for handling connections, encryption, spell-checking, and low-level drawing operations. Plus, it features a redesigned and more adaptive user interface.

In addition, our official integrated development environment Flow Studio has been substantially updated and extended yet again bringing numerous usability and LUA scripting enhancements, full support for Hollywood, and code sensing as well as function listing abilities for many additional languages.

Developers will also appreciate the inclusion of a new MUI text rendering engine that is capable of rendering Unicode text. This feature is currently enabled in selected applications and in all ObjC applications. Thanks to the addition of the new ObjFW runtime, it is now also possible to write native ObjC applications that utilize Automatic Reference Counting (ARC).

Moreover, MorphOS now offers a rewritten spellchecker that is based on Hunspell and libvoikko cores and uses UTF-8. Spell-checking is now supported in all of MUI's string input gadgets, Flow Studio and Odyssey.

For a more comprehensive explanation of these changes and a list of additional features, such as the ability to mute the boot chime on Mac computers from within MorphOS, please read our release notes.

We strongly urge new users to carefully read our installation and troubleshooting guides before they attempt to install MorphOS for the first time. Existing users can upgrade via the familiar procedure but are encouraged to read the guides as well. MorphOS 3.12 is available for download in our files section.

 
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    Thank you for this new update!
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    What a nice surprise..
    Quite nice new features, bigger and smaller ones. From first reading the change log I especially like the Hollywood support for Flow Studio and the new CGX features a lot.
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    Neat. I hope an SDK update will come soon with the GCC6 patches.
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    Expect a new SDK within a couple of days. No patches for GCC6 though - it's been removed completely in favor of newer ones.
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    Great news, congratulations to the Team and users as well.
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    Great!. Any specific enhancements for mini users or g4 machines?. All i see is some g5 ones(and that's great).
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    Any specific enhancements for mini users or g4 machines?


    You can set the boot chime volume from system settings now.
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    Any specific enhancements for mini users or g4 machines?.

    Well obviously not specific to mac mini/g4, but just the amount of bug fixes makes it absolutely worth upgrading any system to 3.12.
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    Wow that looks like a monster release! Thanks!!!
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    Any specific enhancements for mini users or g4 machines?


    The referenced dual-monitor functionality is available for G4 Powerbooks, which is a really nice feature.

    Also, near the bottom of the release notes, you will find a mention that compatibility with monitors should be improved with Mac Mini systems now.
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    Expect a new SDK within a couple of days. No patches for GCC6 though - it's been removed completely in favor of newer ones.

    The newer the better. As long as I can build cross compilers for something more recent than GCC5, I'm good.
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    Great work guys!
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    Impressive release! Thank you (and hopefully my Radeon bug is also fixed).
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    1. Flow Studio
    I love the Flow Studio. It is amazing! Sometimes I can’t believe if this soft exists on MorphOS…

    2. Classes/Framework/MUI: Added Unicode support to most of the classes
    Great! Must have!

    3. Classes/Reggae/http.stream: Added HTTPS support
    Very important.

    4. Devs/Monitors/Radeon: Dual-head support for selected Radeon R3xx setups
    Very useful for me. Thanks!

    5. Libs/Tinygl: Support GBR and BRG swizzling in fragment programs
    Fragment programs? Really? Do we have vertex and pixel shaders in MorphOS TinyGL?

    6. Prefs/Mouse: Support for natural scrolling direction
    Great! I have disabled the function on my macOS because I want the same directions on macOS and MorphOS. Now I can enable natural scrolling direction on both!

    7. Classes/Frameworks/ObjFW: ObjFW is a portable, lightweight framework for the Objective C language. Its shared runtime library enables ObjectiveC ARC on MorphOS.
    Eeeee? Automatic Reference Counting in MorphOS Objective-C? Really? Are you sure? ;-) I can’t believe…

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    Thank you very much!

    Anyone got a Powerbook 5.9 with dvi monitor running ?

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    EDIT:

    Nice jump from 1.0.1 ssl to 1.1.1. Also with Odyssey to support TLS 1.3. Great!!!

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    Is this a proper dual screen feature with selectable different screenmodes and/or the ability to turn off one monitor (ie powerbook's). How come my Radeon 9800 on the powermac g4 supported this feature (through vga and dvi connected to different monitors) since.. ever? Can anyone test if Hollywood apps are running now back in normal speed?

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    Also, which guys from MorphOS team will attend Amiga34 event? I suppose there will be a dedicated stand, right?


    You can expect quite a big representation at A34. Yes, there'll be a stand.

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    The referenced dual-monitor functionality is available for G4 Powerbooks, which is a really nice feature.


    how does it work actually ? i hooked up an external screen to my Powerbook G4 and nothing happens. When i go to system prefs -> Monitors, only the built in LCD screen shows up.

    Edit : i figured out.

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    5. Libs/Tinygl: Support GBR and BRG swizzling in fragment programs
    Fragment programs? Really? Do we have vertex and pixel shaders in MorphOS TinyGL?


    Yes we do, but only for the R300 family of chips (So Radeon 9500 - 9800), R400 (X700 - X850) miiight work too, but I don't remember to be honest, and finally it's far from complete and probably still has quite a few bugs in it.
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    Is this a proper dual screen feature with selectable different screenmodes and/or the ability to turn off one monitor (ie powerbook's). How come my Radeon 9800 on the powermac g4 supported this feature (through vga and dvi connected to different monitors) since.. ever? Can anyone test if Hollywood apps are running now back in normal speed?

    Also, which guys from MorphOS team will attend Amiga34 event? I suppose there will be a dedicated stand, right? Thought the update would roll put after the show, but this was a very nice surprise!


    As far as I tried it:

    Connecting a Dell DVI 1920x1200 monitor with a fresh 3.12 install gives a distorted Powerbook display as Mos is using a mirrored Ambient resolution, but the Powerbook only does 1680x1050.

    Running Birdyshoot: it opens a screen viewable screen on the Powerbook - but then comes with an errorcrash on the Dell monitor with Ambient.

    Running screens from the prefs I configured a 1680x1050 for the Powerbook, now running Prostationaudio on that screen. and Ambient on the Dell. Switching with the depth gadget or keyboard shortcut.
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    > Nice jump from 1.0.1 ssl to 1.1.1.

    I think it was at 1.0.2 previously.
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    As of yet one issue here: On my mini the fan is spinnung with 3.12 full speed now continuously - even when the system is idle. That wasn't the case on earlier versions.
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    As of yet one issue here: On my mini the fan is spinnung with 3.12 full speed now continuously - even when the system is idle. That wasn't the case on earlier versions.


    The Mac Mini fan is 100% hardware controlled, so that would be a bit odd. Are you sure there's nothing running and keeping the CPU busy? Does Task Manager show close to 0% CPU usage?
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    The Mac Mini fan is 100% hardware controlled, so that would be a bit odd. Are you sure there's nothing running and keeping the CPU busy? Does Task Manager show close to 0% CPU usage?


    It was a bit of a too quick shot: The system was idling during lunch time and the fan spinned and spinned (no cpu load, cold air was blown out). Now rebooted and it got back to normal behaviour... I kep an eye on it.
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    > improved thermal management, fan control and dynamic CPU frequency switching

    From the official release notes:

    "Added basic PMac12,1/PPC970FX frequency switching support [...]
    Basic sensor support for PMac11,2/PMac12,1 models [...]
    Added dynamic CPU frequency switching (full/half speed as supported by 970FX) for PowerMac12,1/iMacG5 based on CPU load statistics    "

    Do I read this correctly that those features are only supported for G5 machines that are *not* supported by the public MorphOS 3.12 release? If so, why add them to the release notes and to the press release?

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    I'd guess you have to try to find out.....
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    Not supported == You can't expect any support from MorphOS Team for these machines.
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    > I'd guess you have to try to find out.....

    None of those two machines here unfortunately. But I'm sure others will try out :-)
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    > Not supported == You can't expect any support from MorphOS Team for these machines.

    So is it correct to assume that MorphOS 3.12 is the first public release actually able to run on PowerMac11,2 (PCIe-based PowerMac G5) and PowerMac12,1 (iMac G5 iSight)?
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    How do I configure my external monitor which only supports 1920x1080? I have a PB 5,6. If I configure my PB to 1920x1080 it is unusable.

    Also how does fan control work on this PB? I heard the fans come on very very briefly and shut off, over and over. Temp is 107.6F.

    [ Edited by TheMagicM On 2019/10/3 10:12 ]
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    How do I configure my external monitor which only supports 1920x1080? I have a PB 5,6. If I configure my PB to 1920x1080 it is unusable.




    - Connect monitor to DVI (AFAIR VGA will not work on PowerBooks this way)
    - hit Prefs->Screens and and create a new screen
    - notice the new modes at the end of the list for the 2nd display
    - open a program on that screen

    You should now have Ambient on the internal and the program on the external monitor.

    You could also change the Ambient screen to an external mode which will blank the internal display (until you open a screen there too).

    If that doesn't work file a bugreport (not sure how deeply that stuff was tested on 5.6 or even the non-D-DVI 64MB VRAM version).
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    Just a bit of clarification. 5.6 DDR can have two different gfx cards. 64MB 9700 single link DVI or 128MB dual link DVI. DDR2 models all have dual link DVI, also with slightly higher clocks. 5.7 DDR 17" has 128MB one, dual link probably.
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    > Not supported == You can't expect any support from MorphOS Team for these machines.

    So is it correct to assume that MorphOS 3.12 is the first public release actually able to run on PowerMac11,2 (PCIe-based PowerMac G5) and PowerMac12,1 (iMac G5 iSight)?


    Yes, there is a chance.
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    How do I configure my external monitor which only supports 1920x1080? I have a PB 5,6. If I configure my PB to 1920x1080 it is unusable.

    Also how does fan control work on this PB? I heard the fans come on very very briefly and shut off, over and over. Temp is 107.6F.

    [ Edited by TheMagicM On 2019/10/3 10:12 ]


    if it goes on/off quickly your threshold temperature is probalby just around your current temperatur. Go to the advanced laptop preferences and set the fan temperature limit a few degrees up or down. I set it to 38°C (100F) on my powerbook and the fans are spinning very slowly most of the time (a very little but constant noise) . I think it needs a bit of playing around with the settings.
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    > Yes, there is a chance.

    Fantastic news :-D

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf On 2019/10/3 18:11 ]
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    I set it to 38°C (100F) on my powerbook and the fans are spinning very slowly most of the time (a very little but constant noise) . I think it needs a bit of playing around with the settings.



    Excellent! Works perfect. I was more concerned that my fan wasn't working properly.
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    - hit Prefs->Screens and and create a new screen
    - notice the new modes at the end of the list for the 2nd display
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    ok..that works. But how do I move my mouse back to the screen on the laptop? I need to quit the application thats running on the external display?
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    ok..that works. But how do I move my mouse back to the screen on the laptop? I need to quit the application thats running on the external display?

    It's a normal separate screen, just swap screens just like you'd do it on a single monitor setup (screen depth gadget with left or right mouse, command-m or whatever you have configured for screen swap, any other commodity etc you might have).

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    ok..that works. But how do I move my mouse back to the screen on the laptop? I need to quit the application thats running on the external display?


    a) depth gadget

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    (yeah that old thing still works much to my own surprise)

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    > Yes, there is a chance.

    Fantastic news :-D

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf On 2019/10/3 18:11 ]


    Holy Crap Batman!

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    Any support for the R9 270X in the X5000 yet?


    This card is not supported in MorphOS 3.12.

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    I'm having issues booting 3.12 on my Powermac G5 (AGP) 2,7 GHz with Apple Radeon X850XT. First off - it failed to boot from USB or CD - every single time I got black screen.

    I managed to get it installed using a 'hack method' - first changing the boot file on boot partition, "blessing it" and then booting normally from HD and then using the IWizard from installation media. But now I manage to boot every 5 times or so. The 'blank screen curse' returns. Boot, then grey screen for a moment and then - instead of butterfly logo - I see just a black screen.

    Anybody experienced such problems? X800/X850 owners perhaps?

    EDIT: Replacing the Radeon.monitor from 3.11 helps. It seems that the Radeon driver is an issue here.

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    Yes we do, but only for the R300 family of chips (So Radeon 9500 - 9800), R400 (X700 - X850) miiight work too, but I don't remember to be honest, and finally it's far from complete and probably still has quite a few bugs in it.

    Great! So we have started new age of MorphOS 3D. I am sure this is not easy (without AMD's official support). Thank you for your amazing work.
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    Thanks for the latest update.
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    But now I manage to boot every 5 times or so. The 'blank screen curse' returns. Boot, then grey screen for a moment and then - instead of butterfly logo - I see just a black screen.

    Anybody experienced such problems? X800/X850 owners perhaps?

    EDIT: Replacing the Radeon.monitor from 3.11 helps. It seems that the Radeon driver is an issue here.


    I have exactly same kind of problem on my Mac mini 1.5, and it seemed to be related what USB devices I have connected. If I remove my directly connected mouse, or move it to the hub with the keyboard, then the boot goes OK every time, but otherwise it hangs when bootpic should appear every other time or sometimes I have to keep booting several times before it goes forward.

    I don't have this issue on my G5/X800XT, but I think I saw it with IBook when I connected external hub+kb+mouse temporarily. So, I thought it's about USB, but have to test more. And I'll have to test that radeon monitor, if that affects too... who knows what's the original reason here, but hopefully we can hunt it down.
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    But now I manage to boot every 5 times or so. The 'blank screen curse' returns. Boot, then grey screen for a moment and then - instead of butterfly logo - I see just a black screen.

    Anybody experienced such problems? X800/X850 owners perhaps?

    EDIT: Replacing the Radeon.monitor from 3.11 helps. It seems that the Radeon driver is an issue here.


    I have exactly same kind of problem on my Mac mini 1.5, and it seemed to be related what USB devices I have connected. If I remove my directly connected mouse, or move it to the hub with the keyboard, then the boot goes OK every time, but otherwise it hangs when bootpic should appear every other time or sometimes I have to keep booting several times before it goes forward.

    I don't have this issue on my G5/X800XT, but I think I saw it with IBook when I connected external hub+kb+mouse temporarily. So, I thought it's about USB, but have to test more. And I'll have to test that radeon monitor, if that affects too... who knows what's the original reason here, but hopefully we can hunt it down.


    I've had the same problem on my Mac Mini 1.5 after install so I have replaced the Radeon.monitor driver from 3.11 which worked, thank you. But unlike you I have no problems booting and seeing a display booting off iso off USB so I was able to install which is strange as I assume that would use the new driver? Although having said that I had a problem where (I thought it was a freeze) iwizard took a VERY long time to come up after clicking install both in First flight and icon which I solved by booting from a different USB stick.

    Also hi everyone, long time user and finally posting on Morphzone! :-)
  • »2019/10/9 2:58
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    Welcome to MorphZone! :)

    For me the "black screen before the bootimage" issue is somehow random, for a while it may look like working ok, but then it comes back after having enough reboots, and suddenly I cannot get it booted at all until I turn off the machine or try something different. Please report back how it behaves in the longer run. And if you could bother to try with the recent radeon driver, but try to change USB setup or boot without USB devices connected that would that help in your cases?
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    As for now (after a tip from Frank Mariak) I've identified that my problem is somewhat connected to FireWire (maybe generated by FireWire iSight camera that I have connected to my PowerMac). Disconnected the camera, reverted to 3.12 version of Radeon.monitor and the problem seems gone for now. I need to do some more testing though (and, for example, try to boot from USB/CD to see if it works).
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    Welcome to MorphZone! :)

    For me the "black screen before the bootimage" issue is somehow random, for a while it may look like working ok, but then it comes back after having enough reboots, and suddenly I cannot get it booted at all until I turn off the machine or try something different. Please report back how it behaves in the longer run. And if you could bother to try with the recent radeon driver, but try to change USB setup or boot without USB devices connected that would that help in your cases?


    Glad to be here :-)

    I removed the old driver and booted from the new Radeon.monitor driver. My Mini is dual boot I can't remove every USB device as I need the keyboard at boot but I did remove the mouse which was connected to the USB hub in the keyboard (the dust catcher apple keyboard that came with the Mini) and I'm in everything is working fine! I rebooted with the mouse in and all seems to be working, posting this from the new OWB.

    Also maybe worth mentioning though, the only thing that is different from when I made the install was that I have changed some MUI setting since install. Also I have no firewire devices to test the firwire port.
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    The cooling fans on my powerbook G4 have been silent for a couple of years.
    That is why it went hot every time i used it - now it runs perfekt again.
    Thank you very much !!!l
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    Thank you so much for this. I can't wait to try these and see the fixes.
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    Has the MUI Balance class, I believe it's named, feature been removed from much of the MUI Prefs interface/GUI as it seems to be making the Settings page open partially off-screen which is surely not intended?

    Also the Prefs in List view mode have a wide gap between the icons and the preferences windows opened opposite the vertically stacked icons.

    [ Edited by NewSense On 2019/11/13 4:35 ]
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