MorphOS on Sam460LE?
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12171 from 2003/5/22
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    > VRAM 64MB (not to say 32) is terrible low for web browsing
    > with plenty of tabs

    Opening more tabs increases VRAM usage? How so?

    > Sam460LE [...] has the same CPU as Sam460Ex and it is SOC,
    > with no other controller.

    Sam460LE seems to be like the Sam460cr in functionality, just in another form factor (microATX instead of FlexATX) and thus with better utilization of board surface (i.e. no unpopulated chip footprints).
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12171 from 2003/5/22
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    > $50 off the regular price? For a board with a less
    > powerful processor than a Powermac G4 (or a G5)?

    I think the real issue here is the high price per se, not the fact that pre-ordering will save you no more than the ridiculously low amount of 50 bucks :-)

    > Sorry for the poorly worded post.

    Excuse acepted ;-)
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12171 from 2003/5/22
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    > This naked (and downstripped) SAM will cost over 700.- with NO RAM

    With VAT it's even over 900 EUR.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Zylesea
    Posts: 2057 from 2003/6/4
    Quote:

    Amigaharry2 schrieb:
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    This naked (and downstripped) SAM will cost over 700.- with NO RAM


    Add to that the 22% percent italian VAT. and you end up at about 850 EUR for the vanilla board.

    No, thanks.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Zylesea
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    sailor schrieb:
    MacMini is fast machine, but VRAM 64MB (not to say 32) is terrible low for web browsing with plenty of tabs and for many games.


    My mac mini never runs out of VRAM during browsing with a gazillion tabs open.

    For web browsing the VRAM is prabably one of the least limitating factors. CPU power is what we are lacking in that domain.


    And if the Mac mini i stoo weak, you can get a G5 which runs circles around the SAM. Ways faster cpu and you can use the best gfx cards supported by MorphOS.

    I like my G5 imac isight. Comes with an XT600 128 MB gfx card. Nice system!




    [ Editiert durch Zylesea 16.02.2022 - 22:21 ]
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  • »16.02.22 - 21:09
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    geit
    Posts: 1049 from 2004/9/23
    Quote:

    Zylesea wrote:
    Quote:

    sailor schrieb:
    MacMini is fast machine, but VRAM 64MB (not to say 32) is terrible low for web browsing with plenty of tabs and for many games.


    My mac mini never runs out of VRAM during browsing with a gazillion tabs open.




    I am using a Radeon9000 with 64MB video ram on a FullHD screen and never had any issues with GFX memory. I even use multiple screens all day.

    Gaming is something else.

    All this talk about better graphic cards does not matter, when there is no software using it. Not even partly. If you want some 300€ card for your 900€ computer, then do it. It is just important that the driver is happy and the demos are working fine.

    This is like the old Amiga problem. People always wanted the maximum amount of ram installed, because it is possible and shown as free on top of your workbench screen. That free memory is a waste of memory was ignored. Most people you never really use it. They even needed to turn it off for games.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12171 from 2003/5/22
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    > All this talk about better graphic cards does not matter,
    > when there is no software using it. Not even partly.

    Indeed, the low-level software (i.e. drivers) for them is missing.

    > If you want some 300€ card for your 900€ computer, then do it.

    GCN1-based cards can be purchased new for just under 100 EUR. GCN4-based cards start at 120 EUR.

    > It is just important that the driver is happy

    It must exist before it can be happy :-)

    > This is like the old Amiga problem.

    I don't think so. My impression is that MorphOS users who would like to have (3D) drivers for newer and better graphics cards also want to use software that makes use of them.
  • »17.02.22 - 01:07
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    sailor
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    Listen, if you don't want to buy it for it's price, simply don't buy it.
    No one needs to. It is easy.

    I wonder if there is anyone who really has both Sam460xy and Powermac or Pegasos2 to tell us relevant comparison.
    AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
    AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, Sam460LE, AmigaOneX1000
    MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Sam460LE, Pegasos II, Powerbook G4, Mac Mini, iMac G5, Powermac G5 Quad
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    polluks
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    @geit
    Well, I need to use the memory of my Merlin for compiling larger projects...

    @sailor
    Good comparison, thx :-)

    [ Editiert durch polluks 17.02.2022 - 12:07 ]
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  • »17.02.22 - 10:59
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    Kronos
    Posts: 2329 from 2003/2/24
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:

    picture of populated PCB





    We have to agree to disagree on that one ;)
  • »08.10.22 - 07:21
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12171 from 2003/5/22
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    >> picture of populated PCB

    > We have to agree to disagree on that one ;)

    Yeah, looks quite deserted. Maybe there's more stuff on the bottom side? ;-)
  • »08.10.22 - 14:05
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  • Butterfly
    Butterfly
    Posts: 78 from 2020/5/1
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > VRAM 64MB (not to say 32) is terrible low for web browsing
    > with plenty of tabs

    Opening more tabs increases VRAM usage? How so?

    > Sam460LE [...] has the same CPU as Sam460Ex and it is SOC,
    > with no other controller.

    Sam460LE seems to be like the Sam460cr in functionality, just in another form factor (microATX instead of FlexATX) and thus with better utilization of board surface (i.e. no unpopulated chip footprints).


    You can fit double height gfx boards and you can reach the SD card slot from the outside of the chassis. As it should've been from the start.
  • »09.10.22 - 17:29
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12171 from 2003/5/22
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    > You can fit double height gfx boards

    ...without blocking the PCI slot at the same time, yes. With a reduced board like the Sam460LE this is kind of a requirement and something the Sam460cr would have gained usability from as well.
    Btw, Sam460LE is listed as "Non disponibile" again.
  • »09.10.22 - 18:43
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  • Butterfly
    Butterfly
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    That new Uboot seems interesting.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    sailor
    Posts: 372 from 2019/5/9
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    Quote:

    duga wrote:
    That new Uboot seems interesting.

    Please, where is info about new U-Boot?
    AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
    AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, Sam460LE, AmigaOneX1000
    MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Sam460LE, Pegasos II, Powerbook G4, Mac Mini, iMac G5, Powermac G5 Quad
  • »20.12.22 - 15:37
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Spectre660
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    Couple lines of info

    Quote:

    sailor wrote:
    Quote:

    duga wrote:
    That new Uboot seems interesting.

    Please, where is info about new U-Boot?






    [ Edited by Spectre660 20.12.2022 - 14:36 ]
  • »20.12.22 - 18:35
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Templario
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    Obsolote motherboard for modern needs with a CPU of 1GHZ, slow for multimedia and slow to run 3D games, and almost slow for Wayfarer too.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    sailor
    Posts: 372 from 2019/5/9
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    @Spectre660

    thanks, I missed it.
    SD card is nice.
    But at least with Sam440ep-flex R9 270X work very nice with current U-Boot 1.3.1g
    AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
    AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, Sam460LE, AmigaOneX1000
    MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Sam460LE, Pegasos II, Powerbook G4, Mac Mini, iMac G5, Powermac G5 Quad
  • »20.12.22 - 19:05
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Spectre660
    Posts: 275 from 2015/6/30
    @ sailor

    I tested quite a few newer models of Radeon SI cards that did not work with my Sam460ex .
    So it is an issue.
    Eventually I found some Radeon HD 8570 models that work well with the current U-boot and
    RadonHD Drivers for testing purposes.


    Quote:

    sailor wrote:
    @Spectre660

    thanks, I missed it.
    SD card is nice.
    But at least with Sam440ep-flex R9 270X work very nice with current U-Boot 1.3.1g




    [ Edited by Spectre660 20.12.2022 - 15:58 ]
  • »20.12.22 - 19:57
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