2020 - your expectations
  • Order of the Butterfly
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    tolkien
    Posts: 335 from 2013/5/29
    -updated OWB (with support for telegram etc)
    -SDL2
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  • »29.12.19 - 20:16
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  • Butterfly
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    Georg
    Posts: 65 from 2004/4/7
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    jacadcaps wrote:
    You mean there's people with interest in MorphOS, spare time on their hands and the skills required to port MorphOS to different hardware? And that they're not in the MorphOS Team already? Mind listing those people?


    Who says they need to be from outside MorphOS Team? In the current situation (closed source) can theoretically anyone from MOS Team port MOS to anything he wants even if some/most/all of the other team members or the team head/heads don't like it? Probably not.

    Also "different hardware" would be possible with other means, like a version of MOS which runs on top of Linux (or even the easier Linux/X11) instead of on top of Quark. Which doesn't require huge knowledge/skills about lowlevel hardware on the specific machine.
  • »30.12.19 - 07:47
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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
    tolkien
    Posts: 335 from 2013/5/29
    Oh no! more damn linux stuff again!
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    ppcamiga1
    Posts: 204 from 2015/8/23
    MOS is nice, but it is time to move on.
    MOS on top of linux will be something very usefull.
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  • Caterpillar
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    sTix
    Posts: 34 from 2003/12/7
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    tolkien wrote:
    Oh no! more damn linux stuff again!


    I think MorphOS should be turned into an SDL application. Endless possibilities.
  • »30.12.19 - 11:13
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  • MorphOS Developer
    Henes
    Posts: 503 from 2003/6/14
    Quote:

    Georg wrote:
    In the current situation (closed source) can theoretically anyone from MOS Team port MOS to anything he wants even if some/most/all of the other team members or the team head/heads don't like it? Probably not.


    Well, this is how most (all ?) ports were created for many years now... Somebody doing the dirty work because he wanted to: Mac mini, laptops, x64 and even more unreleased or unfinished stuff most people hardly ever heard of...
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    Kronos
    Posts: 1982 from 2003/2/24
    @Georg

    You do know that such a thing alrerady exists?


    Yep, called AROS and such as AROS "OpenMorphOS" would run almost everywhere.....


















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  • »30.12.19 - 11:55
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    ppcamiga1
    Posts: 204 from 2015/8/23
    SDL is great idea.
    AROS is not good enough.
    AROS devs do not care about quality and compatybility.
  • »30.12.19 - 15:14
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  • Butterfly
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    Georg
    Posts: 65 from 2004/4/7
    Quote:

    Henes wrote:
    Well, this is how most (all ?) ports were created for many years now... Somebody doing the dirty work because he wanted to:


    So everyone in MOS team (is "MOS Team" == "Core Development Team" listed on https://www.morphos-team.net/team?) has and always has had access to all necessary MOS parts (like Quark) to make this possible and never needed anyone else's OK to go ahead?
  • »30.12.19 - 17:02
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  • Butterfly
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    Georg
    Posts: 65 from 2004/4/7
    Quote:

    Kronos wrote:
    @Georg

    You do know that such a thing alrerady exists?



    Yes, I'm one of the many people who wrote code for AROS.
  • »30.12.19 - 17:08
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  • Butterfly
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    Georg
    Posts: 65 from 2004/4/7
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    tolkien wrote:
    Oh no! more damn linux stuff again!


    The thing with MOS is that it runs on top of Quark kernel which user see nothing about when using MOS. So could be replaced with Linux kernel and user still not seeing anything about it. So for user nothing changes (except maybe with Linux kernel it would be a bit faster ... ;-p)

    The advantage is that Linux kernel does not need to be ported/adapted to new hardware while with Quark it seems like every new hardware even if for user it looks like very similiar (Mac G4 version A <-> Mac G4 version B) needs work on the Quark kernel.

    I wonder for example when a new port to new hardware was done - like Mac G5 - how much of work/time was needed to adapt/port Quark. And how much work/time was needed for the rest of MOS. Or in other words how much time/work would have been saved if porting/adapting the kernel was not needed.
  • »30.12.19 - 17:19
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
    Zylesea
    Posts: 1962 from 2003/6/4
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    sTix schrieb:


    I think MorphOS should be turned into an SDL application. Endless possibilities.


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  • »30.12.19 - 22:26
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    ppcamiga1
    Posts: 204 from 2015/8/23
    WebAssembly.
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  • Butterfly
    Butterfly
    terminills
    Posts: 77 from 2012/3/12
    Quote:

    Zylesea wrote:
    Here we go, what's your expectations for 2020:

    My list is rather short:


    - Finalwriter release






    Fingers crossed. :)
  • »31.12.19 - 12:41
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    emeck
    Posts: 105 from 2014/7/15
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    Cool_amigaN wrote:
    ...new version of Hollywood Designer...


    At last! Hollywood Designer 5.0: The Return of a Legend
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  • Caterpillar
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    sergius
    Posts: 39 from 2005/12/6
    My real expectation is MOSX64 asp.

    But waiting MOSX64, it would be nice to have :

    -more graphic cards fully supported.
    -Warp3D support for all graphic cards.
    -Scube fixed
    -The ability to drag screens by title bar like legacy AmigaOS. Unfortunately, Dragon isn't a good solution.
    -Update Lucy with the ability to make transparent windows only when they are moved.
    I know, some of those wishes are not morphos team dependent, but all are related with the OS usage.



    [ Edited by sergius 27.04.2020 - 09:51 ]
  • »27.04.20 - 08:49
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Everblue
    Posts: 162 from 2004/1/6
    - MorphOS x64/x86 all day way.
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  • Butterfly
    Butterfly
    terminills
    Posts: 77 from 2012/3/12
    End of the world :D
  • »27.04.20 - 12:24
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    Kronos
    Posts: 1982 from 2003/2/24
    .... as we know it



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  • »27.04.20 - 15:08
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    connor
    Posts: 537 from 2007/7/29
    Quote:

    sergius wrote:
    -more graphic cards fully supported.
    -Warp3D support for all graphic cards.
    -Scube fixed
    -The ability to drag screens by title bar like legacy AmigaOS. Unfortunately, Dragon isn't a good solution.


    Newer graphics cards would be really good. Warp3D I don't need because I don't play. But dragging screens is a feature that I really miss. It can be turned off on default then the user can decide.
  • »27.04.20 - 18:10
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    polluks
    Posts: 505 from 2007/10/23
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    Quote:

    connor schrieb:
    Newer graphics cards would be really good. Warp3D I don't need because I don't play. But dragging screens is a feature that I really miss. It can be turned off on default then the user can decide.


    How about OS4? :-P
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  • »27.04.20 - 18:35
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    connor
    Posts: 537 from 2007/7/29
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  • »27.04.20 - 21:07
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    Kronos
    Posts: 1982 from 2003/2/24
    Quote:

    polluks wrote:
    Quote:

    connor schrieb:
    Newer graphics cards would be really good. Warp3D I don't need because I don't play. But dragging screens is a feature that I really miss. It can be turned off on default then the user can decide.


    How about OS4? :-P


    Not an option without Warp4D or Warp5D.
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  • »27.04.20 - 21:11
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  • Butterfly
    Butterfly
    Posts: 83 from 2015/10/30
    For me, I really hope for some serious progress on X86. I love MorphOS. But, I put away my Macbook running 3.12 and have not turned it on in a long, long time now. It's just so under powered that the experience was just not fun anymore. I can't see me every investing in an old Mac Desktop. Same reasons, they are almost 15 years old now and so very, very far behind.

    I know it isn't an easy thing. I know the devs are well aware that we all want it. When I saw that video I had hope. Hope that MorphOS wasn't going to just die out with the PPC hardware. I just hope it is sooner rather than later.

    Thanks

    :)
  • »28.04.20 - 17:41
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    KennyR
    Posts: 753 from 2003/3/4
    From: #AmigaZeux, Gu...
    Actually you've all been rather spoilt on the CPU front. The progression of hardware over the last 10 years has been very little compared to before it. I'm still playing top-end modern games with a PC that I bought in 2011. A PC you bought at turn of the milennia could literally be obsolete in four months.

    This of course means that Apple PPC hardware has been given far more time to get old gracefully than 68k ever did. You have literally been handed many more years to productively use MorphOS on PPC macs than we could ever have expected.

    Software hasn't stayed still though. That's where the bigger problem lies for the moment. Jaca seems busy fixing that on the browser front.
  • »30.04.20 - 18:52
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