Cloanto sues Hyperion
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    KennyR
    Posts: 682 from 2003/3/4
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    outlawal2 wrote:
    Well of course since it doesn't meet your expectations and Kenny's then it has no value, right?
    I am beginning to remember why I walked away from the Amiga scene years ago. This "community" continues to bash anything and everything that doesn't fit their tiny little view of the world.


    Amiga34 had 800 visitors and Amiwest typically has around 50, so clearly your view of the world is the one that needs adjusting.

    You can't argue with visitor number disparities like that, so just don't.
  • »28.10.19 - 17:30
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  • Butterfly
    Butterfly
    Posts: 76 from 2009/5/6
    So exactly what is the number required to make it "Worthwhile" to the O great Kenny?
    I mean you clearly must be the expert in all things Amiga, right?

    And I suppose you feel that everyone World-Wide should drop everything and fly to the other side of the world or just not attend anything, right?

    GENIUS!

    I have found the REAL reason Amiga Land is nearly dead.
    "Pride is a poor substitute for intelligence." Quote from Rambo...
  • »28.10.19 - 17:37
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    KennyR
    Posts: 682 from 2003/3/4
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    outlawal2 wrote:
    So exactly what is the number required to make it "Worthwhile" to the O great Kenny?
    I mean you clearly must be the expert in all things Amiga, right?

    And I suppose you feel that everyone World-Wide should drop everything and fly to the other side of the world or just not attend anything, right?

    GENIUS!

    I have found the REAL reason Amiga Land is nearly dead.



    The reason loads of people went to Amiga34 is because it demoed new hardware, namely the Vampire. The reason hardly anyone went to AmiWest is because Trevor's powerpoints are the exact same bullshit that we've been reading since 2009. They're like boring holiday snaps, except they're a holiday he's planning to go to, and has been for a decade...

    The real reason Amiga Land is nearly dead is because people are sick of listening to empty promises and bullshit while near-penniless companies squat on IP and stop anyone else with money, imagination or energy from doing anything with it.

    I hear the Checkmate case has been cancelled. That wasn't because people said nasty things about it in forums. That's because an actual doer is being sat upon by the same old bullshitters who don't want to see anything new in Amiga land unless it's theirs, but are too mired in corruption or legal scandals to do anything themselves.
  • »28.10.19 - 17:48
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1362 from 2003/4/13
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    outlawal2 wrote:
    Well of course since it doesn't meet your expectations and Kenny's then it has no value, right?
    I am beginning to remember why I walked away from the Amiga scene years ago. This "community" continues to bash anything and everything that doesn't fit their tiny little view of the world.


    You really do need to read that definition of irony and process what it means. My response was calm and fairly measured. Your responses? Not so much.

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    As if this community wasn't tiny enough, now folks like you bash what little life left there is in Amiga World.


    Bash? You must be looking in a mirror. By the way, what community are you talking about? You do know you are posting on a MorphOS site, right? If you are talking about the Kommunity, most of us left that a decade or so ago. You are perfectly welcome to love Amiwest and/or OS4 related projects, just don't get so butthurt if many of us in the MorphOS community aren't interested. Speaking for myself I have branched off into many other platforms and their respective communities. My hobby time is more than saturated.

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    And for the record I appreciate the fact that someone tries to put an event on in the USA because there are many of us here in the US that can't make it to Germany or the UK for a hobby.


    Clearly you live on the left coast of the US. For me down here in South Florida, the cost of attending Amiwest is about the same as attending a UK event.

    If it is just about attending a US event, come on down to the one we will be doing in Florida.

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    But I am all too aware that you and Kenny don't care about anything other than your own opinions and will try to bury the Amiga community completely.

    You are both doing a fine job of it too..



    Again, you do know you are on a MorphOS site, right? This is the MorphOS community. MorphOS is not OS4.


    [ Edited by redrumloa 28.10.2019 - 19:43 ]
  • »28.10.19 - 18:11
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  • Butterfly
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    "Pride is a poor substitute for intelligence." Quote from Rambo...
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  • ASiegel
    Posts: 1170 from 2003/2/15
    From: Central Europe
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    KennyR wrote:

    I hear the Checkmate case has been cancelled. That wasn't because people said nasty things about it in forums. That's because an actual doer is being sat upon by the same old bullshitters who don't want to see anything new in Amiga land unless it's theirs, but are too mired in corruption or legal scandals to do anything themselves.

    This is not exactly correct. The initiator still plans to ship a total of 500 cases, which might be enough to saturate the market in fact.

    Apparently, the project is not lucrative enough to outsource the final assembly and shipping of the cases but the project founder has found it challenging to handle this all by himself in addition to his day job and other obligations so he currently has no plans to produce and sell additional batches. He did mention the idea to give up his day job and work on it full-time (!) but he is unwilling to do so while the A*(TM)(R) situation is as it is.

    I do not think it is unfair to say that it is uncertain whether giving up a day job for this project would be a good idea regardless of any on-going legal disputes.
  • »29.10.19 - 06:36
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    number6
    Posts: 379 from 2008/8/10
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    ASiegel wrote:
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    KennyR wrote:

    I hear the Checkmate case has been cancelled. That wasn't because people said nasty things about it in forums. That's because an actual doer is being sat upon by the same old bullshitters who don't want to see anything new in Amiga land unless it's theirs, but are too mired in corruption or legal scandals to do anything themselves.

    This is not exactly correct. The initiator still plans to ship a total of 500 cases, which might be enough to saturate the market in fact.

    Apparently, the project is not lucrative enough to outsource the final assembly and shipping of the cases but the project founder has found it challenging to handle this all by himself in addition to his day job and other obligations so he currently has no plans to produce and sell additional batches. He did mention the idea to give up his day job and work on it full-time (!) but he is unwilling to do so while the A*(TM)(R) situation is as it is.

    I do not think it is unfair to say that it is uncertain whether giving up a day job for this project would be a good idea regardless of any on-going legal disputes.


    I think you've posted a fair portrayal of the situation.
    However, in Stephen Jones' post A34 video there is much more:
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    Secret meetings 11:50

    and starting at about 34:00 (section on the future, where the same subjects are brought up again)

    In Addition, the video from A34 of Mike's speech clearly illustrates another 3rd party (Philippe Lang) basically taking over the presentation on stage to make a similar point.
    Source at about 17:50
    And then there's Jens...
    In short, this is not just coming from one party and it sure seems that people trying to push for resolution here all have vested self interests. I hope they don't think they are mediating...

    What happened since A34?
    Once AmiWest uploads Mike's speech and q/a you're free to draw any conclusion you wish.

    #6
  • »29.10.19 - 13:28
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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
    Posts: 176 from 2015/8/23
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    KennyR wrote:
    near-penniless companies squat on IP and stop anyone else with money, imagination or energy from doing


    2009 agreement allows amiga inc to use Amiga Os 3.1 as long as gui is not exposed to end user for games only.
    It is big part of amiga market.
    Instead of making money they try to cheat H first with cusa next with mr batalia.
    mr batalia that buy a inc can make money on 68k in fpga but he choose to waste money on trial.



    [ Edited by ppcamiga1 29.10.2019 - 14:51 ]
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10649 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    Addendum:

    >> What I find surprising is that GART support would fall in the domain of ExecSG.
    >> I would have located this within the graphics framework.

    > Mystery resolved. kas1e, who managed to watch all 2 hours, explains that
    > what the ExecSG team lead calls GART is not real GART but the usual kernel DMA
    > that's been implemented on the X1000 for ages but is still missing on the X5000.

    Wiki page up: https://wiki.amigaos.net/wiki/DMA_Engine

    The misleading GART term is not mentioned therein.
  • »10.11.19 - 16:29
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    number6
    Posts: 379 from 2008/8/10
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    >> As I do not see Mike specifically mentioned on the
    show schedule
    >> This could mean at the banquet, in private, or almost anything atm.

    > Meanwhile, Battilana's Amiga 34 presentation:
    > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUD7y5mpTao

    ...and AmiWest 2019 speech:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHSwdFtQ5Mk


    I've been *cough* waiting for this.
    Clearly the highlight is at the 24 minute mark, when former OS4 team lead Steven Solie asks a question about a Hyperion copyright claim.

    #6
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2604 from 2003/2/24
    @number6

    Yeah, but Hyperion's perception of Copyright is *notoriously* flawed, and as Mike answers, this is nothing new and is already part of a court case.
    MorphOS is Amiga done right! :-)
    MorphOS NG will be AROS done right! :-)
  • »13.11.19 - 23:51
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1362 from 2003/4/13
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    takemehomegrandma wrote:
    @number6

    Yeah, but Hyperion's perception of Copyright is *notoriously* flawed, and as Mike answers, this is nothing new and is already part of a court case.




    What is new is former HYPErion employee Steve Solie throwing serious shade at Hermans.
  • »14.11.19 - 00:05
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2604 from 2003/2/24
    @ redrumloa

    True that, in some way at least, but ssolie's separation from Hyperion has already been covered at AW.net in pretty exploratory detail. Obviously some grudge there. Not the only OS4 developer feeling that way, I'd say from what has been publicly communicated during the last decade or two.

    As a follow-up question, who did *actually write* that Copyright statement (as in: who did actually punch the keys at the keyboard), and for what reason? Now, that's fuel for a debate in its own... ;-)
    MorphOS is Amiga done right! :-)
    MorphOS NG will be AROS done right! :-)
  • »14.11.19 - 00:28
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