Cloanto sues Hyperion
  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1336 from 2003/4/13
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    amigadave wrote:

    Could it be that Hyperion will actually cease to exist as a legal entity in Belgium? Makes me wonder how close Ben Hermans is to giving up on Hyperion Entertainment as a business? I don't imagine that he has made enough money from AmigaOS4 sales to even cover all the legal costs from the initial legal battle with Amiga Inc. AND this current legal struggle with Cloanto and the "Amiga Parties".

    Let's give him some encouragement; "Give it up Ben", no one likes you or believes what you say anymore. Obviously no work is being done to develop AmigaOS4 at this point in time (and probably not for the past several months, since Sollie was fired). Just let it go and allow Cloanto and the community to carry what is left of the Amiga forward.


    It is ridiculously long overdue for HYPE to close up shop. It seems to me the OS3.14 release (or whatever it is called A_W) gave a temporary shot in the arm for legal costs. I'd imagine that is just about dried up.

    What I wonder is what scorched earth tactic will he do on his way out? He won't just leave, he'll probably try to take down all of his former associates and business partners. Will he sue A-Eonkit, the Wonder Twins and others?

    [ Edited by redrumloa 08.08.2019 - 12:01 ]
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    KennyR
    Posts: 657 from 2003/3/4
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    Ben's had better times to leave and he hasn't taken them. I doubt he will now. OS4 is dead, but he can still make money from 3.1.4.

    Once it was common belief that he, personally, was in debt with Hyperion, and was holding on because he wanted them repaid. But we now know that he was simply charging his legal bills to Hyperion, and has apparently swapped them for near-complete ownership of the company. Possibly shafting everyone else who had stakes or shares in Hyperion.

    There's plenty we still don't know about how this all works, but I think he'll leave when he's made a lot of money and can't make any more, even if that means he has to completely destroy everything and everyone else in the process.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1336 from 2003/4/13
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    KennyR wrote:
    Ben's had better times to leave and he hasn't taken them. I doubt he will now. OS4 is dead, but he can still make money from 3.1.4.


    I'd guess anyone who would actually pay for 3.1.4 has already bought it. There is a percentage of the Kommunity that will buy anything with an "Amiga" label the moment it comes out. After that? Probably close to nill. The rest of the Kommunity would just pirate it if they wanted to try it out. It seems to offer very little compared to OS3.9 from an end user perspective.

    Also, despite what some others think here, I think 3.1.4 will be deemed a pirate release by the courts.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    KennyR
    Posts: 657 from 2003/3/4
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    redrumloa wrote:
    I'd guess anyone who would actually pay for 3.1.4 has already bought it. There is a percentage of the Kommunity that will buy anything with an "Amiga" label the moment it comes out. After that? Probably close to nill. The rest of the Kommunity would just pirate it if they wanted to try it out. It seems to offer very little compared to OS3.9 from an end user perspective.


    Cloanto manage to keep a business going selling 3.1 and various other stuff, mainly to retro fans and collectors. Ben's obviously gunning to take over that market from them - hence the lawsuit. (And hence Jens' sudden involvement - he needs Picasso96!)

    3.9 has a problem in that it doesn't run on 68000, and this makes it a poor choice for things like super-68000 boards and FPGA boards that may not emulate 020 well or at all. Oh, and in that it's difficult to buy except second hand - H&P don't seem to sell it any more.

    [ Edited by KennyR 08.08.2019 - 19:29 ]
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10490 from 2003/5/22
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    > Trevor denies A-Eonkit own ExecSG. He does not deny that he personally owns it,
    > as in Trevor the individual.

    Interesting comment:

    "I'll also be staying with Steven and his family during my short stay in Calgary. It will be a good chance to discuss future development plans for ExecSG."
    http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/?p=11757

    And on another note from the same source:

    "I've even managed to squeeze in a meeting in London with Timothy de Groote and Michael Battilana of Cloanto & C-A Acquisition Corporation as we tried to find a mutually agreeable compromise to the current legal impasse. Although not successful on this occasion, it was still quite an enjoyable day"
  • »09.08.19 - 16:00
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  • Butterfly
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    Posts: 66 from 2009/5/6
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    redrumloa wrote:
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    KennyR wrote:
    Ben's had better times to leave and he hasn't taken them. I doubt he will now. OS4 is dead, but he can still make money from 3.1.4.


    I'd guess anyone who would actually pay for 3.1.4 has already bought it. There is a percentage of the Kommunity that will buy anything with an "Amiga" label the moment it comes out. After that? Probably close to nill. The rest of the Kommunity would just pirate it if they wanted to try it out. It seems to offer very little compared to OS3.9 from an end user perspective.

    Also, despite what some others think here, I think 3.1.4 will be deemed a pirate release by the courts.


    "It seems to offer very little compared to OS3.9 from an end user perspective. "

    That is not true at all. It offers the ability to install the OS to 68000 thru 68060 with large disks, large filenames and every fix rolled up without having to manually run a dozen fixes and boing bags and the rest of the crap it used to take to install the OS. You can continue to hate on whomever you like but don't talk crap about the product as it DOES provide considerable value especially to folks just getting into Amigas for the first time. FAR better experience installing 3.1.4 and having it work rather than dicking around with all of the "tweaks" required before.

    And your other erroneous statement about folks pirating it is ridiculous as well as you have to have the ROM installed to use it... So clearly you have never used it and have no idea what you are talking about.


    <smh>

    [ Edited by outlawal2 09.08.2019 - 13:07 ]
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    KennyR
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Ben's obviously gunning to take over that market from them - [...] hence Jens' sudden involvement

    I don't think this causality is for real. Cloanto is merely a P96 licensee and never claimed more in this regard.


    I mean Jens needs Picasso96, not Ben.

    On 3.1.4 you can simply keep using whatever driver your card came with. Jens has the problem that he actually releases hardware with its own graphics, and seems to have taken umbrage at Cloanto. Hence a (very) tenuous InCo-Hype... well, I wouldn't even call it an alliance. More like mutual sympathy.
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10490 from 2003/5/22
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    >>> Ben's obviously gunning to take over that market from
    >>> them - [...] hence Jens' sudden involvement

    >> I don't think this causality is for real. Cloanto is merely
    >> a P96 licensee and never claimed more in this regard.

    > I mean Jens needs Picasso96, not Ben.

    Yes, I got this much. What I don't get is how Ben wanting to take over the OS3/m68k/classic market from Cloanto can be a reason for Jens having purchased P96 from Abt&Kneer.

    > On 3.1.4 you can simply keep using whatever driver your card came with.

    With the caveat that using CGX instead of P96 prevents some features from working due to some CGX internals being kept closed.

    > Jens [...] seems to have taken umbrage at Cloanto. Hence a (very) tenuous
    > InCo-Hype... well, I wouldn't even call it an alliance. More like mutual sympathy.

    I think the causality is more likely the other way round, i.e. Hyperion has handed out some licenses to Jens, which are essential to his Amiga business and are now being disputed by Cloanto in court, so Jens is trying to (financially) harm Cloanto where he can, hoping this will help Hyperion against Cloanto and increase the probability of upholding his licenses. Remember that Jens announced to leave the Amiga market should Cloanto "win a lawsuit" (which would most likely mean the annulation of the licenses).
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1336 from 2003/4/13
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    outlawal2 wrote:

    -clipped advocacy chest pounding-

    And your other erroneous statement about folks pirating it is ridiculous as well as you have to have the ROM installed to use it... So clearly you have never used it and have no idea what you are talking about.


    <smh>


    You don't think people know how to burn a ROM image? Bless your heart...

    And to answer your question before you ask, no I do not have a pirate copy of 3.1.4, I'm not interested in it. I am using a distro based on 3.9 (Coffin) since I already own 3.9, and don't see as an end user (as stated) any advantage of buying 3.1.4. I don't have to fumble with patches or such nonsense, it is turn key.

    [ Edited by redrumloa 09.08.2019 - 21:08 ]
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  • Butterfly
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    Awww Bless my heart... You Snarky Douchebag.. Even you could probably figure out that burning a ROM is quite limiting for MOST individuals.. Or maybe you aren't that bright..

    And not everyone knows about multiple distros based on other versions of Amiga OS so once again 3.1.4 DOES have merit for new users.

    Thanks for pointing out that you are nothing but an elitist asshole. Much appreciated.

    Dont let anyone get in the way of your Hyperion hate-fest as that seems to be all you have to offer.
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    Adonay
    Posts: 17 from 2015/8/7
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    outlawal2 wrote:
    Awww Bless my heart... You Snarky Douchebag.. Even you could probably figure out that burning a ROM is quite limiting for MOST individuals.. Or maybe you aren't that bright..

    And not everyone knows about multiple distros based on other versions of Amiga OS so once again 3.1.4 DOES have merit for new users.

    Thanks for pointing out that you are nothing but an elitist asshole. Much appreciated.

    Dont let anyone get in the way of your Hyperion hate-fest as that seems to be all you have to offer.



    To be honnest any ACA or Blizzard 030 and up has maprom\blizzkick or whatever. Who would bother to burn roms with any of those ?

    And how many new users buy a 30 year old amiga? Most would just download winuae AND the roms.
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    amigadave
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    Adonay wrote:
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    outlawal2 wrote:
    Awww Bless my heart... You Snarky Douchebag.. Even you could probably figure out that burning a ROM is quite limiting for MOST individuals.. Or maybe you aren't that bright..

    And not everyone knows about multiple distros based on other versions of Amiga OS so once again 3.1.4 DOES have merit for new users.

    Thanks for pointing out that you are nothing but an elitist asshole. Much appreciated.

    Dont let anyone get in the way of your Hyperion hate-fest as that seems to be all you have to offer.



    To be honnest any ACA or Blizzard 030 and up has maprom\blizzkick or whatever. Who would bother to burn roms with any of those ?

    And how many new users buy a 30 year old amiga? Most would just download winuae AND the roms.



    Even though I share the very strong dislike for Ben Hermans and just about everything else about Hyperion Entertainment, I have to agree with outlawal2 and his recent posts in this thread. I won't buy 3.1.4, because I don't want to support Hyperion Entertainment any more than I already have in the past. I just want Ben to lose and go away, so putting any more money into his insane excuse of a company, is just counter productive at this point in time. I hope more users begin to think this way, and maybe we can just force him out of OUR market some time in the future. It is just too bad that the good and honest developers who did all the work to create 3.1.4, took it to Hyperion (not that they had many other options at that time), because maybe if they had waited, they could have taken it to Cloanto, who I believe to be honest and who I believe have better respect for the community of remaining Amiga users.

    I know for a fact that there are still "some" new Amiga users, who are buying 30 year old Amiga hardware, because I have met several of them over the past 10+ years. Outlawal2 has a very valid point.

    [ Edited by amigadave 13.08.2019 - 13:26 ]
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