Old golden ideas... classic amiga accelerators... :-P
  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
    Acolyte of the Butterfly
    KimmoK
    Posts: 102 from 2003/5/19
    OH NO! you say

    but, still, would it be possible to warm up some old PPC accelerator project and deliver G3 accelerator card (AmijoeG3 / CSG3) for classic Amiga fans?

    Most likely it would never be profitable, but how much would it cost to develop it?

    1) simple card with just G3 and a DIMM slot
    2) card with G3, dimm slot and connector for external PCI tower (available for modern laptops)


    (the profitable way most likelyt would be to replace the A1200 MB with mini-ITX-peg but when such thing is expected to appear...)
    :-x :-P 8-)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
    tokai
    Posts: 1289 from 2003/2/25
    From: binaryriot
    No it whouldn't be profitable in any way. And I whould expect a higher price than a Peg2. But with a bit knowledge you can mod you Peg2 into a a1k or a4k case w/o too much problems. :)
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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
    Bifford
    Posts: 275 from 2003/2/24
    From: Wiltshire, UK
    tokai:

    Nice avatar!! reminds me of Enya.
    one of your own or nabbed?

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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Posts: 979 from 2003/6/28
    That he wants is AGA & PAULA !!

    And i, could be VERY NICE a PCI card with AGA and PAULA, and can use programs that access to these custom chips (whdload, programs that access to paula...)
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  • Targhan
    Posts: 2833 from 2003/2/8
    From: USA
    Kermit Woodall from NovaDesign is the guy to talk to about case-modding A1000's!

    About the topic, I think it would be interesting to see what some of our members are doing with their Amigas now. I share mine with my child, and we use it for games, typing instruction, reading gamefaq's conviniently near the PS2/DreamCast, etc.
    :idea:Targhan

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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12136 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > AmijoeG3

    I stumbled upon an interesting comment on this subject:

    "the Met@Box design was not [released], due to the death of the firmware designer."

    This is actually the first time I've come across a claim that someone's death caused the AmiJoe project to fail. So far I've thought the AmiJoe was Thomas "Don" Rudloff's pet project at Met@box that never went beyond prototype stage due to unresolved problems with the PCI and memory controller chip. I've never heard before that there was someone else supposed to do the firmware part (except that they wanted to license an m68k emulator from Haage&Partner at one point). Can anyone clarify?
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    analogkid
    Posts: 665 from 2004/11/3
    From: near myself
    @Andreas_Wolf:

    That one is very interesting, maybe Mr. Haynie could clarify this (as a former employee of Met@box).
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  • Butterfly
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    Get27
    Posts: 90 from 2004/8/23
    From: Vinzelles, France
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    "the Met@Box design was not [released], due to the death of the firmware designer."

    Not at all !!! An anonymous named DH said some times ago it was just a well known person that had stolen firmware source code... and... used it for his project -> Pegasos 8-)
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12136 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    >> "the Met@Box design was not [released], due to the death of the firmware designer."

    > Not at all !!! An anonymous named DH said some times ago it
    > was just a well known person that had stolen firmware source
    > code... and... used it for his project -> Pegasos

    Almost funny.
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  • MorphOS Developer
    cyfm
    Posts: 537 from 2003/4/11
    From: Germany
    It might be related to the death of Klaus Burkert who has been working for VillageTronic on the Picasso boards and was hired by met@box later on AFAIK. He died in 2001 after a heart attack.

    http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2001-04-00077-DE.html

    I have my doubts that this was the only reason that amijoe never went on sale, though. Personally, I have seen a hardware prototype of it - so it did materialize in some form - but I have never seen it working ....
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12136 from 2003/5/22
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    > It might be related to the death of Klaus Burkert who has been working for
    > VillageTronic on the Picasso boards and was hired by met@box later on
    > AFAIK. He died in 2001 after a heart attack.

    Thanks for your reply. I knew that Klaus Burkert passed away on April 4th 2001 and that he was working for Met@box at that time but it never occured to me that he was somehow connected to the AmiJoe project, and as Thomas Rudloff often talked about the AmiJoe project in the years after its scrapping but never ever mentioned Klaus Burkert in this context I don't think there's a connection.
    I can now see however how the connection might have emerged in the mind of the one I quoted, as only 8 days after Klaus Burkert's death the following message appeared on Met@box website:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20021003132416/http://212.96.44.74/de/amiga/news.html
    http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2001-04-00197-DE.html

    While this might imply causality at a quick glance I think it's not justified when looking more closely into it, because of two reasons. Firstly, the AmiJoe project was not cancelled on its own but together with the whole JoeCard division, which was much bigger and had real products that were on sale. It doesn't seem likely that such a division would be closed just because of the death of one individual. Secondly, the closure of the JoeCard division and others was already publicly hinted at on March 30th, i.e. 5 days prior to Klaus Burkert's death, effectively eliminating the possibility of a causality (at least in this direction, which is not implying there was a causality in the opposite direction, even if we assume he might have been among the one third of Met@box employees that were to be sacked):

    http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2001-03-00295-DE.html

    So in summary, I think you're spot on that the one I quoted indeed refers to Klaus Burkert's death in his claim. But I'm confident now that he's wrong and that actually there was no connection between Klaus Burkert and the AmiJoe project, let alone his death being the cause of the project's scrapping.
    Nevertheless, thanks for your valuable input on this matter.

    > I have my doubts that this was the only reason that amijoe never
    > went on sale, though.

    I even doubt that it was a reason at all ;-)

    > Personally, I have seen a hardware prototype of it

    Yes, it was also publicly shown at the HEW'99.

    > but I have never seen it working ....

    Me neither. But there were prototypes floating around which were functional on a basic hardware level (picture of serial output). Claus Herrmann said he got one for developing his PowerOS:

    http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-1999-11-00110-DE.html

    Years later even users got their hands on some and they were offered at places like eBay or AmiBay:

    http://www.amiga-news.de/forum/thread.php?id=15135
    http://www.amiga-news.de/forum/thread.php?id=15692
    http://www.amiga-news.de/forum/thread.php?id=16579
    http://www.amiga-news.de/forum/thread.php?id=19409#192475
    http://www.amiga-news.de/forum/thread.php?id=19409&start=31#192541
    http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?t=49217
    http://forum.amiga.org/index.php?topic=74109.0

    According to Thomas Rudloff, there were two revisions of the card, with three samples of rev 1 and a whole box full of samples of rev 2.
    For AmigaOS application developers and users these prototypes are useless obviously as there is no PPC kernel or m68k emulator for AmigaOS available for this card. Furthermore, the card is crippled due to the non-working PCI and memory controller. So the card can't make use of PCI cards and more severely the memory it uses is the fastmem installed on the Amiga mainboard, making the card crawl, probably to a degree that it's slower than the slowest BPPC card.


    Edit: added AmiBay link.
    Edit2: added amiga.org link

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 22.05.2019 - 15:59 ]
  • »22.08.11 - 13:41
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