MorphOS on AmigaOne X5000?
  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Spectre660
    Posts: 275 from 2015/6/30
    On the subject of old engines
    Morphos 3.11 on an X5000 works with an ATI Fire MV2260 pciex1 card.
    Card has RV620 chipset so Radeon HD3450/3470 family.


    [ Edited by Spectre660 28.08.2018 - 06:47 ]
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1424 from 2003/4/13
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    redrumloa wrote:
    I got a chance to go out to my workshop today and do a benchmark because of curiosity. Here's my setup on the desk.

    PowerMac G5 @ 2.3Ghz
    Ati Radeon X800

    One thing I found out on this setup is in quake lower screen resolutions gave me lower FPS than higher resolutions. Go figure. Anyhow at 1600x1200 and EVERYTHING maxed out I got 114.9 fps.



    I was out in the workshop tonight to do some more benchmarking. Talking to a freind I realized when I said everything "maxed out", I was slightly off. I had "Vertex" selected instead of "Lightmap" for the above numbers. I don't have that card installed ATM, but I do have an X1950pro (PC rom) that is now working tops in my G5. Here are a couple quick benches. I'll probably do more on my G5 2.7 with screenshots and/or video, but not tonight and probably in a more appropriate thread.

    Test system:
    PowerMac G5 @ 2.3Ghz
    Ati Radeon X1950pro

    1280x1024 with Vertex with EVERYTHING maxed out I got 206.5 fps

    1600x1200 with Lightmap and EVERYTHING maxed out I got 147.3 fps

    This X1950pro really, really lays the lumber! I'll probably try out Tower 57 soon to see how that handles it. I also look forward to pulling out my G5 2.7.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Doffo
    Posts: 507 from 2010/10/14
    From: Nevada
    I can't even get close to your 206.5 FPS on 1280x1024 on Vertex with the rest all the way set high and Texture detail all the way to the right. I only got a whopping 75.0 FPS on the Radeon 9600.
    -=-=-=-
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Spectre660
    Posts: 275 from 2015/6/30
    X500/20 Amiga OS 4.1FE

    "New engine" R9-270X and "Old engine" Warp3D SI

    Vertex 1600x1200 = 120.2 FPS
    Vertex 1280x1024 = 131.0 FPS

    Lightmap 1600x1200 = 95.6FPS

    Hope to have some "Even Newer Engine" Polaris and "New Engine" Warp3D Nova results soon.

    Interesting comments for Gl4es coder pitSeb

    Quote:

    Until (if?) GL_UNSIGNED_BYTE is handled by the hardware, using CPU to convert the data will introduce a slow down. As you see, the more HiRes (so more pressure on GPU, less on CPU), the less speed difference, so CPU used for Data conversion count here.
    Also, minigl is, I guess, made for Quake3 in mind and is probably heavily optimize for this engine. I don't it's completly fair to expect gl4es to be faster here (even when GL_UNSIGNED_BYTE handled by hardware).
    What gl4es will bring is more function, and faster speed when using advanced OpenGL functions (like TexGen or shaders), I don't think you'll see any speed advange of gl4es will using idTech3 based games, or simple game with low geometry and no complex opengl renderer.
    Remember Neverball is much faster with gl4es (and this one use TexGen).
    You may see also benefit from gl4es on SeriousEngine or maybe TORCS also (or SpeedDream too). Foobillard++ also should works better on gl4es (if it even works with minigl).


    Kas1e's Initial results :

    640x480

    q3_minigl_sdl1: 90.8 fps
    q3_minigl_sdl2: 86 fps
    q3_gl4es_sdl1: 74 fps

    800x600

    q3_minigl_sdl1: 87.5 fps
    q3_minigl_sdl2: 83.1 fps
    q3_gl4es_sdl1: 72.2 fps

    1024x768

    q3_minigl_sdl1: 82.2 fps
    q3_minigl_sdl2: 76.9 fps
    q3_gl4es_sdl1: 68.5 fps

    1600x1200

    q3_minigl_sdl1: 67.5 fps
    q3_minigl_sdl2: 68.9 fps
    q3_gl4es_sdl1: 60.2 fps

    [ Edited by Spectre660 29.08.2018 - 09:16 ]
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Zylesea
    Posts: 2053 from 2003/6/4
    Quote:

    ASiegel schrieb:

    Sure, if money is no concern, then buying a brand new Porsche engine is trivial. When you are rich, life is easy. If, however, your budget is restricted, that is a different story altogether.


    Plus, using the old existing kit for a task that it can handle just as well is way more eco friendly. I mean the ecological footprint of a gfx card may not be the highest, but still producing new kit consumes additional resources while keeping the old kit running, uses the already consumes recurces more intensively (of course if the new kit consumes significantly less energy the calculation may be different though)...
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    ...and Matthias , my friend - RIP
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Spectre660
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    Quote:

    Zylesea wrote:
    Quote:

    ASiegel schrieb:

    Sure, if money is no concern, then buying a brand new Porsche engine is trivial. When you are rich, life is easy. If, however, your budget is restricted, that is a different story altogether.


    Plus, using the old existing kit for a task that it can handle just as well is way more eco friendly. I mean the ecological footprint of a gfx card may not be the highest, but still producing new kit consumes additional resources while keeping the old kit running, uses the already consumes recurces more intensively (of course if the new kit consumes significantly less energy the calculation may be different though)...



    9600 PRO : TDP= 18W
    X1950 PRO : TDP= 66W

    HD6450 : TDP= 18W
    HD5450 : TDP= 19W
    HD4670 : TDP= 59W
    HD6570 : TDP= 60W

    RX 550 : TDP= 50W
    HD 7750 : TDP= 55W
    R7-250X : TDP= 65W
    RX 560 : TDP= 75W
    R9-270X : TDP=180W

    [ Edited by Spectre660 29.08.2018 - 11:31 ]
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  • Jim
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    Jim
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    Quote:

    Spectre660 wrote:
    Quote:

    Zylesea wrote:
    Quote:

    ASiegel schrieb:

    Sure, if money is no concern, then buying a brand new Porsche engine is trivial. When you are rich, life is easy. If, however, your budget is restricted, that is a different story altogether.


    Plus, using the old existing kit for a task that it can handle just as well is way more eco friendly. I mean the ecological footprint of a gfx card may not be the highest, but still producing new kit consumes additional resources while keeping the old kit running, uses the already consumes recurces more intensively (of course if the new kit consumes significantly less energy the calculation may be different though)...



    9600 PRO : TDP= 18W
    X1950 PRO : TDP= 66W

    HD6450 : TDP= 18W
    HD5450 : TDP= 19W
    HD4670 : TDP= 59W
    HD6570 : TDP= 60W

    RX 550 : TDP= 50W
    HD 7750 : TDP= 55W
    R7-250X : TDP= 65W
    RX 560 : TDP= 75W
    R9-270X : TDP=180W


    Interesting, no power draw figures for the R7 240, but I'd expect that to be in line with the other low end cards.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Spectre660
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    @Jim

    R7-240 : TDP = 30W
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Spectre660
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    Any one have any Neverball FPS results ? (Level 1 : Easy)
    Neverball
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  • Jim
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    Spectre660 wrote:
    @Jim

    R7-240 : TDP = 30W


    Higher than I expected.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Spectre660
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    Forgot

    R7-250 : TDP =65W
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12058 from 2003/5/22
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    > X5000/40 boards are due

    Btw, a comment by Trevor made in a recent interview:

    "I've even tested the latest version of MorphOS on my 'AmigaOne X5000/40' beta system."

    But unfortunately no comment as to the result of the test ;-)

    And, while not news, mentioned in the same interview:

    "MorphOS developer, Mark Olsen [...] updated the uboot firmware for the 'AmigaOne X5000 models and is working on other drivers for A-EON."

    And also:

    "If users don't buy the upgrades that Hyperion Entertainment release there will be no funds to continue developing the core AmigaOS 4 assets. Same goes for MorphOS of course."

    The MorphOS team might object to that notion :-) At least I can't remember having bought any MorphOS upgrade since MorphOS 2.0.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Zylesea
    Posts: 2053 from 2003/6/4
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf schrieb:


    "If users don't buy the upgrades that Hyperion Entertainment release there will be no funds to continue developing the core AmigaOS 4 assets. Same goes for MorphOS of course."

    The MorphOS team might object to that notion :-) At least I can't remember having bought any MorphOS upgrade since MorphOS 2.0.



    Probably it's even worse: if ppl don't buy Hyperions upgrades MorphOS is halted!!! OMG!
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  • Caterpillar
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    outrun1978
    Posts: 28 from 2018/7/8
    The only reality as far as many a current X5000 user is concerned is that until we see an update to MorphOS supporting the current set of Southern Islands cards, you probably won't see many more new MorphOS subscriptions for this machine.

    Fingers crossed it arrives soon :-) and when it happens then it is Win Win for both the user and the MorphOS team.... ;-)
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    TrevorDick
    Posts: 130 from 2005/10/12
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    Apologies for the "Freudian" slip. Of course that is meant to be A-EON Technology. I would blame auto-spelling but I think it was a complete mistype!;-)

    A belated Happy New Year anyway.

    TrevorD
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1424 from 2003/4/13
    -duplicate-

    [ Edited by redrumloa 17.07.2020 - 16:19 ]
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1424 from 2003/4/13
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    redrumloa wrote:
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    eliyahu wrote:
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    X-Kernel? Isn't that fairy dust? Well, at least the merging part and backwards compatibility part.

    nope.

    -- eliyahu


    You are setting yourself up for disappointment


    Is eliyahu still in the house? 5+ years later, it still seems to be fairy dust.
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  • JKD
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    JKD
    Posts: 456 from 2003/4/4
    From: South of heaven
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    Acill wrote:
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    JKD wrote:
    Did you post your thoughts/review on the X5000 with AmigaOS to one of the other sites Paul?

    I got very bored lately and longing for some Boingball back in my life... :-D



    No Steve I havent, but I was thinking about doing it. It honestly feels like it did back when we first showed off the release of the Pegasos II together that first year it was out at AmigWest. Its still quite a bit behind MorphOS is feel and stabiliety, but as far as AmigaOS goes, well it does have that good old feeling.


    Wow, this post hasn't necessarily aged well...it took me three years to return to my Amiga roots and four years to actually try out Amiga OS4.1 :D

    My X5000 is giving me grief though, seems like it could (hopefully) just be DIMM issues. I'd hate to have to send this thing all the way back to France.
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