New Modern Webkit-based Browser In Development
  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Intuition
    Posts: 1078 from 2013/5/24
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    jacadcaps wrote:
    Wayfarer sounds like a constant source of typos and mispronunciations, I like it!


    :-D

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    Was able to compile the whole of WebCore last night, which brings the thing to being about 95% done in terms of # of sources compiling for MorphOS. Mind that this doesn't mean I'll have a browser soon ;) The next step is writing a WebKitLegacy layer - this is the part that Fab mostly got from Orygin. Hopefully it'll take no more than a couple of weeks to have a simple webframe working.


    Excellent, well done! My G5 and my PowerBook are in storage back in the UK and I'm missing my MorphOS fix. The race is on to see whether I'll go back and grab the PowerBook before you have an alpha browser. If I was a gambling man I'd put money on me losing that bet. lol
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    amigadave
    Posts: 2748 from 2006/3/21
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    takemehomegrandma wrote:
    @ jPV

    Well, now I've got it!

    Here it comes:

    [drum roll]

    -> The Browser

    :-)


    Someone earlier wrote:

    "Firefly (From the TV-series with the same name which actually had a rather cool atmosphere. It takes place on Serenity, a "Firefly-class" spaceship. And more important: It could also connect to Firefox and the MorphOS logo (butterflies fly) at the same time. I suppose a really cool logo could be made with this (butterfly, flames), signalling it's a MorphOS browser.)"

    I like this name (as well as the TV series and later, fan sponsored movie "Serenity"). I'm sure a cool logo tying the well known Firefox browser and MorphOS butterfly could be created.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 529 from 2007/10/23
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    Before "Odyssey" was "Troy", not very helpful :-(
    How about "OWB 2"? :-)
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 727 from 2010/1/6
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    I would call it Pathfinder - to find the path in www.....
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 157 from 2005/7/12
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    This is fantastic news. Donation sent.
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2152 from 2003/3/5
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    Thank you for all the donations!
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    kriz
    Posts: 246 from 2005/10/18
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    Really nice news, keep up the good work @jacadcaps !!
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    Posts: 4913 from 2009/1/28
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    Pity Jacek,
    As web playback is adequate on G5s for the most part
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 119 from 2009/12/10
    From: Minnesota, USA
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    Jim wrote:
    Pity Jacek,
    As web playback is adequate on G5s for the most part



    I think what would really rock in a browser would be WebGL but that requires OpenGL-ES 2.0 or better. I don't think TinyGL is up to it.
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2152 from 2003/3/5
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    It's not about TGL. It's about the graphics card that are predominant and often cannot be replaced (aka mini, PowerBooks, etc).
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  • Just looking around
    rushpat
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    Do you plan to make the source and build instructions available when it is released? Also, what is your dev environment now?

    Thanks!
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    amigadave
    Posts: 2748 from 2006/3/21
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    rushpat wrote:
    Do you plan to make the source and build instructions available when it is released? Also, what is your dev environment now?

    Thanks!


    I guess you are asking because you want to know if the MorphOS community will be able to update and maintain the new browser, in case jadacaps becomes too busy with other projects, am I right? I recently sent jadacaps a donation, primarily to encourage him to continue working on this new browser, but also for his work on the Iris email program, and all the work he does on MorphOS itself. I hope that other users are doing the same, as it is very generous that all of the MorphOS Dev. Team members give us so much of their time, to create MorphOS and software to run on it, and rarely ever ask for anything in return.
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2152 from 2003/3/5
    From: Canada
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    Do you plan to make the source and build instructions available when it is released?


    Sources will eventually land on github, I believe, but not necessarily open to everyone. For now I want to focus on this myself, with the help of the rest of the MorphOS Team. That said, anyone who feels like he can make a meaningful contribution should feel free to approach me.

    The pre-requisites are mostly the same as with Odyssey (a couple of things like libicu, cairo or freetype had to be updated, but we've done this already). Other than the linklibs you need GCC 9 with ObjectiveC and libstdc++ that has threading features enabled. This project really stress tests the whole SDK and so far most of the related diffs are actually in compilers, binutils or libnix and not WebKit itself. I'm obviously cross-compiling all this...
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    This project really stress tests the whole SDK


    That is a good thing!

    :-)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Posts: 1422 from 2003/4/13
    Why won't the MorphOS Team go the Patreon model? If that is too sticky, why not the most active members of the team have Patreon pages? I'm not a Patreon guy. The only Patreon I'd do is MorphOS projects.

    [ Edited by redrumloa 05.03.2020 - 21:12 ]
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    Posts: 1988 from 2003/2/24
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    jacadcaps wrote:
    NewSense & tolkien: thank you!

    I've absolutely no idea how it's going to be called.


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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2152 from 2003/3/5
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    So, there is good news and bad news.

    The good is that I was able to link a project that references a WebCore::Page and implements quite a bit of WebKit interfaces (even if they're mostly placeholders).

    The bad news, is that the resulting binary is already over 80MB, meaning memory requirements of the new browser will likely be ~1GB. Mind that the binary doesn't actually do much past instantiating a WebCore::Page, so it's bound to grow a lot by the time it starts resembling something usable.

    Next step: figure out the minimal route to load & display contents, the dumbest way possible, just to verify that the WebCore internals are working.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Doffo
    Posts: 478 from 2010/10/14
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    For whatever reason, audio doesn't playback from online SDR radios like websdr.org . You see it going and all that, but it relies on HTML5 audio. Chrome itself won't work with it for whatever reason they have it disabled, but only works under firefox. Maybe the browser can support the audio on websdr.org would be nice. :)
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  • ASiegel
    Posts: 1252 from 2003/2/15
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    A clean instance of Opera, which has all bells and whistles enabled, eats roughly 300MB of memory. The desktop version of Safari appears to be in the same ballbark.

    So, 512MB of total system memory might be a bit tight while browsing so the 1GB memory requirement sounds quite plausible.

    For Iris, it might actually make sense to stick with the older Webkit. It is not like HTML emails would require the latest generation of browser engines to display properly. (Thankfully.)
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    ernsteiswuerfel
    Posts: 389 from 2015/6/18
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    @jacadcaps

    Whoa, sounds like a huge task! :-o Good luck! :-)
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2152 from 2003/3/5
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    Doffo wrote:
    Maybe the browser can support the audio on websdr.org would be nice. :)



    Only if someone else does this. My starting point isn't Odyssey, it's plain WebCore. At this stage it'll be a huge success once I manage to actually render a HTML page into a BitMap. And an even bigger one once I can actually type into input boxes.
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    amigadave
    Posts: 2748 from 2006/3/21
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    jacadcaps wrote:
    So, there is good news and bad news.

    The good is that I was able to link a project that references a WebCore::Page and implements quite a bit of WebKit interfaces (even if they're mostly placeholders).

    The bad news, is that the resulting binary is already over 80MB, meaning memory requirements of the new browser will likely be ~1GB. Mind that the binary doesn't actually do much past instantiating a WebCore::Page, so it's bound to grow a lot by the time it starts resembling something usable.

    Next step: figure out the minimal route to load & display contents, the dumbest way possible, just to verify that the WebCore internals are working.


    I'm guessing that MorphOS for x64 will NOT have the same RAM limitation that MorphOS for PPC inherited from AmigaOS compatibility, so our MorphOS for x64 systems will be able to utilize much more than 2GB of RAM, and you won't have to worry about your new web browser's appetite for using RAM. But it is probably too much to hope that with the MorphOS Dev. Team concentrating most of their efforts on the x64 version of MorphOS, most members of the team will not want to spend time and effort to create any kind of extended memory for the current PPC version of MorphOS? Such discussions of how, and if any hack to extend memory for the current version of MorphOS have surely been had several times in the past and the answer has always been "NO", apparently, but until the G5 hardware was supported, there was little need to consider spending time trying to figure out a way to extend the RAM capacity of MorphOS, because "MOST" supported systems could not physically have more than 2GB of RAM on the hardware.

    Can you give us any information regarding discussions the team has had in the past about the possibility of creating some kind of "extended" RAM for the current PPC version of MorphOS, after support for G5 systems that can have up to 8GB or 16GB of RAM installed on the motherboards?
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  • vox
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    Posts: 462 from 2003/11/25
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    koszer wrote:
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    BatteMan wrote:
    After the "odyssey", we can make a "journey" on internet


    "Journey"? Maybe Voyage? Hey, how about "Voyager?" :D

    Now, seriously. If we're in the Greek mythology zone - there's been another epic journey: Jason and the Argonauts, in pursuit of Golden Fleece. So I propose "Argo".




    Loved the old VaporWare Voyager NG, so Voyager would be nice.

    Its great to see AROS has advanced to x64 as well as MorphOS has its inner workings, that will eventually bring this new "Voyager".

    Either supporting Nemo or AMD64 will surely bring my license. No space to buy new machines.

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    amigadave wrote:
    I'm guessing that MorphOS for x64 will NOT have the same RAM limitation that MorphOS for PPC inherited from AmigaOS compatibility, so our MorphOS for x64 systems will be able to utilize much more than 2GB of RAM, and you won't have to worry about your new web browser's appetite for using RAM.


    Surely, that would be the point of going x64 :)
    Or PPC64 too as a branch? (G5, Pa Semi and x5000 CPU?)

    [ Edited by vox 21.03.2020 - 10:13 ]
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