ARM for the future?
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    Addendum:

    > the most recent chip they sell with PPC A2 cores (PowerEN)
    > has been introduced in early 2010.

    This was unexpected:

    "the "wire-speed processor" [...] (PowerEN) SoC [...] was not released."
    https://github.com/openpower-cores/a2i
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    polluks
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    By the way will ARM be big endian again?
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > Intel going ARM instead of Atom!

    ...or Atom with ARM companion core :-)

    "The Intel Programmable Services Engine (Intel PSE) is a dedicated offload engine for IoT functions powered by an ARM Cortex-M7 microcontroller. It provides independent, low-DMIPS computing and low-speed I/Os for IoT applications, plus dedicated services for real-time computing and time-sensitive synchronization. The Intel PSE hosts new functions, including remote out-of-band device management, network proxy, embedded controller lite, and sensor hub. Flexible programming, using open source code or prebuilt firmware binaries, lets you configure the Intel PSE to meet your application requirements and run real-time, ARM-based applications."
    https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2020/09/Intel-Atom-x6000E-Pentium-Celeron-platform-brief.pdf

    "Leverage a dedicated offload engine with the Intel Programmable Services Engine (Intel PSE). Powered by an Arm Cortex-M7 microcontroller, it provides independent, low-DMIPs computing and low-speed I/Os for IoT applications. It also hosts new functions like remote, out-of-band device management, network proxy, embedded controller, and sensor hub."
    https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/products-and-solutions/processors-and-chipsets/elkhart-lake/overview.html
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    polluks
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    The perfect MorphOS NG platform RPi 400
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    polluks wrote:
    The perfect MorphOS NG platform RPi 400


    Yes, of course. But I am afraid that Bigfoot talked about about ARM64 port, not ARM :-(
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > Bigfoot talked about about ARM64 port

    Did he?

    > not ARM :-(

    Cortex-A72 is ARM64.
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Bigfoot talked about about ARM64 port


    Sorry, my mistake. Blonde was too quick with writing...

    correct sentence is:
    Yes, of course. But I am afraid that Bigfoot talked about about AMD64 port, not ARM :-(
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    polluks
    Posts: 779 from 2007/10/23
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    Quote:

    sailor schrieb:
    Yes, of course. But I am afraid that Bigfoot talked about about AMD64 port, not ARM :-(

    Indeed. I don't know why we have to repeat Apple's mistakes.
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    Update:

    >> In terms of 64-bit ARMv8 (AArch64) cores/microarchitectures,
    >> there exists or has been announced so far: [...]

    This is the most recent list:

    - Cortex-A34, Cortex-A35, Cortex-A53, Cortex-A55, Cortex-A57, Cortex-A65(AE), Cortex-A72, Cortex-A73, Cortex-A75, Cortex-A76(AE), Cortex-A77, Cortex-A78(AE|C), Cortex-R82, Cortex-X1, Neoverse E1, Neoverse N1 and Neoverse V1 from Arm Holdings
    - Cyclone, Typhoon, Twister, Hurricane, Zephyr, Monsoon, Mistral, Vortex, Tempest, Lightning, Thunder, Firestorm, Icestorm, Avalanche and Blizzard from Apple
    - Mongoose M1, Mongoose M2, Meerkat M3, Cheetah M4 and Lion M5 from Samsung
    - Kryo 100, Falkor, Saphira and Oryon (Phoenix) from Qualcomm
    - Denver, Denver2 and Carmel from Nvidia
    - ThunderX, ThunderX2, ThunderX2T99 (Vulcan) and ThunderX3 (Triton) from Marvell
    - Potenza, Potenza+, Potenza++ and AmpereOne from Ampere
    - Xiaomi FTC310, Xiaomi FTC660, Xiaomi FTC661, Xiaomi FTC662, Xiaomi FTC663 and Xiaomi FTC664 from Phytium
    - A64FX from Fujitsu
    - TaiShan v110 and TaiShan v120 from HiSilicon/Huawei

    (Note that announced but scrapped cores (like AMD's K12) have been removed from the list.)

    In terms of ARMv9 cores/microarchitectures, there have been announced so far:

    - Neoverse N2, Neoverse V2, Cortex-X2, Cortex-X3, Cortex-X4, Cortex-A510, Cortex-A520, Cortex-A710, Cortex-A715 and Cortex-A720 from Arm Holdings
    - Everest and Sawtooth from Apple


    Edit: added Avalanche and Blizzard
    Edit2: added Cortex-X3 and Cortex-A715
    Edit3: added Everest and Sawtooth
    Edit4: added Neoverse V2
    Edit5: added Oryon
    Edit6: added Xiaomi FTC310 and FTC664
    Edit7: added AmpereOne
    Edit8: added Cortex-X4, Cortex-A720 and Cortex-A520
    Edit9: added TaiShan v120

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 13.12.2023 - 00:08 ]
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    In_Correct
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    Mac Rumors Forum has a topic about MorphOS. 8-) And so I post the questions and comments about it: Why not continue supporting Apple Computers? Particularly ARM Apple Computers. I would buy a newer Apple Computer if they are ARM ... I think highly of ARM ... but I do not think highly of Modern Mac OS. When Apple discontinues support for their computers over the years, it would be nice if MorphOS could be available on them.

    Also I agree with the other post about Pi Devices.

    It seems that ARM support is increasing even from Microsoft.

    [ Edited by In_Correct 05.06.2021 - 02:49 ]
    :-) I Support Quark Microkernel. :-D
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > Apple confirmed their switch of their computers to the ARM ISA now.

    Seems that with this switch, Apple computers finally got something from the CPU vainly made especially for them in the first place (PA6T):

    "This series adds support for the I2C controller found on Apple Silicon Macs which has quite a bit of history: Apple bought P.A. Semi in 2008 and it looks like a part of its legacy continues to live on in the M1. This controller has actually been used since at least the iPhone 4S and hasn't changed much since then."
    https://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/linuxppc-dev/2021-September/234633.html
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