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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > It's possible that Trevor brought Amigakit onboard in a consulting role late 2010 to
    > help get the X1000 development back on track under A-Eon CVBA, with the change
    > to A-Eon Technology Ltd (and hence change in ownership & management) taking
    > place in the October 2011 period.

    Yes, that's possible indeed.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Quote:

    Jim wrote:
    Quote:


    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    I think that Rajinder refers to Dickinson sending the MorphOS Team a bare Rev2 Nemo board.


    Man, I'm surprised they got that. But how were they supposed to assemble it and where do you get a PA6T from?


    I highly doubt he sent them a _bare_ board. I'm sure it's fully populated with all the necessary components (and CPU). By "bare" I think he meant they were sent a functional motherboard only, not a complete system with case, drives, etc.
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    >>> I think that Rajinder refers to Dickinson sending the MorphOS Team a bare
    >>> Rev2 Nemo board.

    >> Man, I'm surprised they got that. But how were they supposed to assemble it
    >> and where do you get a PA6T from?

    > By "bare" I think he meant [...] a functional motherboard only, not a complete system
    > with case, drives, etc.

    Yes, I meant exactly that, as clarified by me 12 postings and 5 hours after the statement:

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7183&forum=3&start=19
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    >>> I think that Rajinder refers to Dickinson sending the MorphOS Team a bare
    >>> Rev2 Nemo board.

    >> Man, I'm surprised they got that. But how were they supposed to assemble it
    >> and where do you get a PA6T from?

    > By "bare" I think he meant [...] a functional motherboard only, not a complete system
    > with case, drives, etc.

    Yes, I meant exactly that, as clarified by me 12 postings and 5 hours after the statement:

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7183&forum=3&start=19


    I didn't bother to read the entire thread because I knew you would point out any oversight ;)
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    >>>>>> "IIRC, Ben Hermanns is no longer a partner of A-Eon, since they
    >>>>>> reformed in the UK and closed the Belgium based company."
    >>>>>> http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=35093&forum=32#651254

    >>>>> And indeed, A-Eon's October 1st [2011] press release has been the last one where
    >>>>> the company calls itself a CVBA. Starting with the one from October 12th [2011],
    >>>>> all 8 subsequent press releases have missed the "CVBA" bit. So [...] Ben
    >>>>> Hermans' involvement in A-Eon ceased somewhen between October 1st and
    >>>>> October 12th [2011]

    >>>> AmigaKit now claims this happened already one year earlier:
    >>>> "Later on in late 2010, our role changed and we had to help get the project
    >>>> back on track."
    >>>> http://www.amigakit.com/catalog/news.php?news_id=181#newsid181
    >>>> http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=767411
    >>>> http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=7129

    >>> somewhat stronger statement from March of this year

    >> Unfortunately, nothing there about the late 2010 vs. late 2011 discrepancy
    >> I was getting at.

    > It's possible that Trevor brought Amigakit onboard in a consulting role late 2010
    > to help get the X1000 development back on track under A-Eon CVBA, with the
    > change to A-Eon Technology Ltd (and hence change in ownership & management)
    > taking place in the October 2011 period.

    It seems your own excellent research revealing that Hermans stepped down from being an A-Eon director in December 2010 has finally solved that 2010 vs. 2011 mystery:

    http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/250623.shtml

    So I guess it went something like this:

    04/2009: A-Eon CVBA founded in Belgium by Hermans, T. Dickinson and Moorley as shareholders as well as directors
    12/2010: Hermans quits his A-Eon CVBA director position (and relinquishes his shares), AmigaKit/Leaman gets involved as consultant or similar
    10/2011: A-Eon CVBA starts omitting the mention of its legal form in press releases
    04/2012: A-Eon Ltd. founded in UK by Leaman, T. Dickinson and C. Dickinson as shareholders with Leaman acting as sole director
    04/2013: A-Eon CVBA dissolved (T. Dickinson and Moorley are mentioned in this paper)

    Any objections, remarks, additions?
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    Update:

    > drivers for [...] onboard Ethernet are still not completed.

    Seems supported now, not sure since when:

    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=39454&forum=33&start=20#743237

    ...or not:

    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=39487&forum=2&start=80#744168
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=39487&forum=2&start=100#744413

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 04.11.2014 - 23:19 ]
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    Addendum:

    > So I guess it went something like this:
    > [...]
    > 04/2012: A-Eon Ltd. founded in UK by Leaman, T. Dickinson and C. Dickinson as partners
    > with Leaman acting as sole director
    > [...]
    > Any objections, remarks, additions?

    "Trevor Dickinson, co-founder and managing director of A-EON Technology"
    http://amiga30.com/kickstarter-launched/
    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/890300835/amiga-30th-anniversary-in-california

    "Trevor is co-founder and the Managing director A-Eon."
    http://www.kickstarter.com/profiles/890300835/bio

    So he is an (the?) A-Eon Technology Ltd. director after all?
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    Pledge $5000 or more and you will get AmigaOne X1000, what a bargain ;)
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    Update:

    > drivers for [...] onboard Ethernet are still not completed.

    Seems supported now, not sure since when:

    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=39454&forum=33&start=20#743237

    ...or not:

    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=39487&forum=2&start=80#744168
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=39487&forum=2&start=100#744413


    I don`t own AmigaOS 4 Final, but from Epsilons review I see;
    http://amigax1000.blogspot.com/2015/01/amigaos41-final-edition-part-2.html

    a) JXFS wizard file system is dead: A warning comes up to remind me that JXFS is no longer supported in AmigaOS4.1 Final Edition, and has a read-only legacy mode only.
    b) There seems to be a memory card driver (finally, since now I can update Linux kernel from AmigaOS)
    c) It seems faster onboard ethernet is included BUT NOT WORKING (in despite what SSolie sad above) but Epsilon wasn`t brave enough to test it: "You are then asked to choose your network card. I got a bit excited when I saw that the built in X1000 network adapter is included as an option (we have to use a PCI network card under AmigaOS4.1.6). I selected the built in adapter and click on Test this Configuration: Unfortunately it didn't work - I also subsequently found out the built-in network driver has dropout issues and shouldn't be used by X1000 owners at this time."

    I wait for time to free PCI slot and trash the slow card, similar as I did to sound card, once onboard audio was supported (or replacing it by Sound Blaster Live emu card)

    But, it seems old net card now causes conflicts with newer Linux kernel - cleaned by now, but its good to see MATE on PPC Linux, too.
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > AmigaOS 4 Final

    4.1 :-)

    > It seems faster onboard ethernet is included BUT NOT WORKING [...] but Epsilon wasn`t
    > brave enough to test it: "[...] I selected the built in adapter and click on Test this
    > Configuration: Unfortunately it didn't work [...]"

    To me it sounds like he tested it.
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > AmigaOS 4 Final

    >4.1 :-)

    Yeah, all those great small mistakes, but after XYZ update packs, its good to get one slim installation from zero, and that is the key reason why I will get it (even X1000 license has a prepaid license for OS 4.2 included).

    > It seems faster onboard ethernet is included BUT NOT WORKING [...] but Epsilon wasn`t
    > brave enough to test it: "[...] I selected the built in adapter and click on Test this
    > Configuration: Unfortunately it didn't work [...]"

    To me it sounds like he tested it.


    What I ment he wasn`t brave enough to go beyond test button, select it and try it in real use. Even I suppose if test doesn`t work, it shouldn`t in real either, but I wonder why they would put the non working driver. I suppose we have to wait for some next small update via Amiudapte that would make it work - so putting some file was required for update of it later.

    Even such things as fast onboard Ethernet driver and memory card driver aren`t huge leaps, they are essential to daily use. It was a bit sad to boot to Linux to use 10x faster ethernet that was already there. Memory card is essential as one can boot Linux kernel and even Amigaboot loader from it.
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    Quote:

    vox wrote:

    but I wonder why they would put the non working driver.


    Isn't that their standard modus operandi?

    :lol: ;-)
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    Update:

    >> What ever CPU Trevor and the engineers at Varisys decide to use for the
    >> next A-Eon motherboard design, I hope that [...] it will be a design that
    >> appeals to the MorphOS Dev. Team, so a port might be possible.

    > http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=717208 ;-)

    http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2015-04-00032-EN.html :-)

    There seems to be L3 cache support even, as opposed to OS4.
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    pampers wrote:
    Pledge $5000 or more and you will get AmigaOne X1000, what a bargain ;)


    The whole Kickstarter page makes the event look like an advertisement for X1000.

    Par for the course I suppose.
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    Quote:

    redrumloa wrote:
    Quote:

    pampers wrote:
    Pledge $5000 or more and you will get AmigaOne X1000, what a bargain ;)


    The whole Kickstarter page makes the event look like an advertisement for X1000.

    Par for the course I suppose.


    Well I don't mind Kickstarter but donating money for an event is a waste of money for me. I would prefer to donate some development, not a meeting for few old fellas (no ofense to anyone) sitting and talking.
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    Addendum:

    >> So I guess it went something like this:
    >> [...]
    >> 04/2012: A-Eon Ltd. founded in UK by Leaman, T. Dickinson and C. Dickinson as partners
    >> with Leaman acting as sole director
    >> [...]
    >> Any objections, remarks, additions?

    > "Trevor Dickinson, co-founder and managing director of A-EON Technology"
    > http://amiga30.com/kickstarter-launched/
    > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/890300835/amiga-30th-anniversary-in-california
    >
    > "Trevor is co-founder and the Managing director A-Eon."
    > http://www.kickstarter.com/profiles/890300835/bio
    >
    > So he is an (the?) A-Eon Technology Ltd. director after all?

    "Matthew Leaman is the Managing Director of A-EON Technology Ltd and looks after all the day-to-day business."
    http://distrita.com/a-eon-interview-about-amigas-future/

    So I guess here we have it from the horse's mouth that the claim that Trevor Dickinson is a (or even the) managing director of the company is false.
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    Addendum:

    > http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2015-04-00032-EN.html :-)
    > There seems to be L3 cache support even, as opposed to OS4.

    No support for the P5's L3 cache in OS4 yet:

    http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Video.jpg
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    Addendum:

    > I'm going to tell how I perceive this "quite a story" came along in
    > chronological order: [...]

    "the motherboard's development was almost scuppered when Apple purchased PA Semi. Shortly after the acquisition Apple announced the PA6T CPU would only be sold to preexisting military and industrial customers who already had orders in place and after that the line would be discontinued. [...] Paul Gentle wrote a personal message to Steve Jobs asking him to reconsider the decision not to supply the PA6T CPU for the Nemo development. He received a one word reply from Jobs which was short and to the point which simply said "Sorry". Gentle refused to give up and wrote an impassioned email to Jobs stressing the future success of Varisys, a small British development company, depended on the supply of the PA6T CPU for the Nemo development project. This time Jobs sent a more lengthy but still negative reply saying that if the future of Varisys depended on the supply of PA6T CPU for one project then their business model was broken. It looked like the end of the line for the Nemo motherboard. However, not too long afterwards the PA Semi CTO contacted Gentle to say that he had been given approval to supply the PA6T CPU for the project and the Nemo development was back on track."
    http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/?p=8898

    Varisys' success depending on Nemo? Really?


    Edit: similar text in Amiga Future magazine (center column)

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 04.01.2019 - 13:31 ]
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    Yes, Paul managed to secure the PA6T cpus and he was one of the few people with experience designing with this chip.
    Since they were hard to obtain he suggested I look at Qorlq cpus, before the e5500 core was even announced.

    So, how old do you think the idea behind Tabor was when it was first proposed?

    [ Edited by Jim 18.05.2016 - 19:19 ]
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:

    Varisys' success depending on Nemo? Really?


    You might want to consider the recipient. Steve Jobs was not known to be a stranger to hyperbole either :-)
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    Quote:

    ASiegel wrote:
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:

    Varisys' success depending on Nemo? Really?


    You might want to consider the recipient. Steve Jobs was not known to be a stranger to hyperbole either :-)


    Hyperbole?
    Looks more like a poorly informed poster.
    I exchanged messages with Paul at Varisys long before I knew they had any connection with Aeon.
    Varisys' future is in no way dependant on projects funded by Trevor.

    Rather, Aeon's success depended on finding an engineering firm with experience in producing quality PPC motherboards.
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > Looks more like a poorly informed poster.

    Trevor Dickinson poorly informed about what Paul Gentle told Trevor Dickinson?

    > Varisys' future is in no way dependant on projects funded by Trevor.

    While likely true this clashes with what Trevor wrote Paul told him he had written to Steve Jobs.

    > Aeon's success depended on finding an engineering firm with experience in
    > producing quality PPC motherboards.

    There are many. The key in finding Varisys was their experience with the PA6T specifically.
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    No all it does is confirming suspicions that Nema is just a revision of another P6T design that may very well been make or break for Varisys.
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > it [...] is confirming suspicions that Nema is just a revision of another P6T design

    Varisys' pre-Nemo PA6T design is a known product and Nemo surely can't be regarded as a revision of this, unless any design with a certain SoC is regarded as revision of a previous design with that same SoC, which wouldn't make sense.

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7183&start=658
    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=7569&start=27
    http://web.archive.org/web/20101225035735/http://www.varisys.co.uk/vm31.html
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Looks more like a poorly informed poster.

    Trevor Dickinson poorly informed about what Paul Gentle told Trevor Dickinson?

    > Varisys' future is in no way dependant on projects funded by Trevor.

    While likely true this clashes with what Trevor wrote Paul told him he had written to Steve Jobs.

    > Aeon's success depended on finding an engineering firm with experience in
    > producing quality PPC motherboards.

    There are many. The key in finding Varisys was their experience wih the PA6T specifically.


    Andreas, do you have any references for these statements?
    Without contact Paul directly, which I would not do as it would be inappropriate to quiz him about statements a business associate made, I cannot verify them.

    But the limited scope of A-eon's production does make them seem questionable and self aggrandizing.

    Further, would Steve Jobs really intervene in order to allow Varisys to obtain the kind of purchase amounts that are usually covered by the order minimums of manufacturers like NXP?

    The more I look at it, the more A-eon looks not like a vanity project, but a way of inflating Trevor's reputation.
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