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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11604 from 2003/5/22
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    > Trevor seems to increasingly sneak in spellings like "AMIGAone" and "AMIGA one"
    > to the detriment of traditional "AmigaOne" or "AmigaONE".

    "AmigaONE X1000 and AMIGA one X5000"
    http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/?p=7301

    But then:

    "Machine Type: AmigaOne X5000"
    http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/X5000_grab.jpg

    Seems they can't make their mind up.

    Btw, according to the screenshot, OS4 doesn't support the P5's L3 cache.
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2710 from 2003/2/24
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    AMIGA one X5000


    LOL, I can't believe they persist in doing this, it's so laughable! :lol:

    Here is my suggestion of a boot image for MorphOS on Sam460 "AmigaOne 500" systems in the same spirit as AeonKit (click for original size):



    :-)

    (Note: This picture was a mock-up done by me for fun as some kind of response to this, and the MorphOS team of course had nothing to do with it! ;-))
    MorphOS is Amiga done right! :-)
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2710 from 2003/2/24
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    Addendum:

    > Trevor seems to increasingly sneak in spellings like "AMIGAone" and "AMIGA one"
    > to the detriment of traditional "AmigaOne" or "AmigaONE".

    "AmigaONE X1000 and AMIGA one X5000"
    http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/?p=7301

    But then:

    "Machine Type: AmigaOne X5000"
    http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/X5000_grab.jpg

    Seems they can't make their mind up.


    Well, Hyperion (and Amigakit/Aeon as a sub-licensee) does not have a license to use the "Amiga" mark. What they can call their products are detailed in the contract agreement with Amiga Inc, and "Amiga" isn't there, so they are not allowed to use this mark.

    "They" are probably two different people, one is the programmer who based it on what Hyperion actually are allowed to use (which are also the names accepted and commonly used by the public)...



    ...while the other one is Trevor who has obviously been busy figuring out new ways to parasite upon the "Amiga" mark they have no right to use ever since he wanted to call his new computer "A5000" back in 2013!

    ;-)
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    takemehomegrandma wrote:
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    Seems they can't make their mind up.


    Well, Hyperion (and Amigakit/Aeon as a sub-licensee) does not have a license to use the "Amiga" mark. What they can call their products are detailed in the contract agreement with Amiga Inc, and "Amiga" isn't there, so they are not allowed to use this mark.;-)


    Its AmigaOne and will always be, while I do remember it as name given to PPC line and surely AEON/Acube gives it at better name then Mai Logic and Amiga Inc did.I suppose Acube and AEOn have some contract on licensing the AmigaOne name.

    Surely you can view Amiga One as name abuse, but that is not that much incorrect - still is A1, and not Amiga 500,2000 etc. like e.g. CommodoreUSA was about to name their "products" (before they decide to go for Mini).

    At least joined Acube and MorphOS team effort will result in AmigaOne (500) being MorphOS supported platform soon :-)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOne#Operating_systems

    [ Edited by vox 07.04.2015 - 16:29 ]
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    @takemehomegrandma

    Are you not tired of constant antiOS4 and anti A-Eon campaign? Do you think that this kind of behaviour will bring us more users? How does it help MorphOS?

    It's not that I do like Hyperion and anything related to them but I find those "wars" less funny day by day. Just saying..
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > surely AEON/Acube gives it at better name then Mai Logic and Amiga Inc did.

    The counterpart of A-Eon and ACube would be Eyetech. Mai Logic's role would be more like Varisys'.

    > I suppose Acube and AEOn have some contract on licensing the AmigaOne name.

    Yes, they have licensed the name from Hyperion.

    > Its AmigaOne and will always be [...]. Surely you can view Amiga One
    > as name abuse, but that is not that much incorrect

    With the X5000 (as opposed to the X1000), A-Eon is promoting the "AMIGA one" spelling, not "Amiga One".
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    Posts: 472 from 2003/11/25
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > surely AEON/Acube gives it at better name then Mai Logic and Amiga Inc did.

    The counterpart of A-Eon and ACube would be Eyetech. Mai Logic's role would be more like Varisys'.

    > I suppose Acube and AEOn have some contract on licensing the AmigaOne name.

    Yes, they have licensed the name from Hyperion.

    > Its AmigaOne and will always be [...]. Surely you can view Amiga One as name abuse,
    > but that is not that much incorrect

    With the X5000 (as opposed to the X1000), A-Eon is promoting the "AMIGA one" spelling, not "Amiga One".


    As usually, thanks for the corrections, but I hope that messages are understandable. It could be amiga one or AMIGA ONE, that all variates of the same name :-)

    Radeon HD4000 support would be great (if not initial, soon) because its default graphic card with SAM460ex/A1-500, with full 3D support.

    I understand most of MorphOS users see it as expensive board of no interest (since one can easily obtain PPC Mac) but potential is:

    - firstly in current SAM users (Amigamap.com lists 14 A1-500 and 135 SAM4xx boards).

    - as well is in offer of system with MorphOS on Acube website (if can be arranged), or if not on some independent stores

    - SAM460ex benefits as developmental bridge to PCI-E (sound, gfx, SATA ...) cards, compared to cumbestone and rarer G5 Macs. Lastly, SAM460 port could easily bring SAM440 port as it is quite similar.

    - I don`t know future Acube plans, but one more generation off IBM/AMCC 4xx chips exists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_400#PowerPC_470
    That might be a nice mid-range MorphOS system

    Poor performance: ... It can be usable system - even, it it doesnt have altivec, It seems code SAM460 can be optimized - Acube version has FPU

    https://www.google.rs/search?q=amcc+460+optimizations&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=vSIkVdj1D4STyQPpqYD4Dg

    Trivia: Its also interesting to see AMCC 460EX developer board can cost much ...
    http://www.embeddeddeveloper.com/tools/962/Applied-Micro-Circuits/EV-460EX-KIT-01.htm
    http://parts.arrow.com/item/detail/appliedmicro/ev-460ex-kit-01-proto#cEne

    So Acubes offer doesn`t seem that bad :-)
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  • »07.04.15 - 20:09
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11604 from 2003/5/22
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    > current SAM users (Amigamap.com lists 14 A1-500 and 135 SAM4xx boards).

    We don't know how the Sam4xx number is distributed between Sam440 and Sam460, though.

    > one more generation off IBM/AMCC 4xx chips exists
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_400#PowerPC_470

    The IBM PPC47x core has nothing to do with Applied Micro (AMCC). Besides, it's even two generations above (not counting the PPC450 core, else it would be three), as the PPC460EX chip has a PPC440 core, not a PPC46x core. Applied Micro offers chips with PPC46x core, but not with PPC47x core.

    > Acube version has FPU

    Yes, the PPC440 core in the PPC460EX chip has an FPU attached to it. That was a requirement for ACube's selection of this CPU in the first place.
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    Posts: 1423 from 2003/4/13
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:The counterpart of A-Eon and ACube would be Eyetech. Mai Logic's role would be more like Varisys'.


    While I understand what you are saying and you aren't wrong, I'd give A-Eonkit much more credit than that. A-Eonkit laid out real money to commission the development of custom boards. Eyetech OTOH took an existing reference board and slapped a boing label on it.
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    Posts: 365 from 2003/3/28
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    redrumloa wrote:
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:The counterpart of A-Eon and ACube would be Eyetech. Mai Logic's role would be more like Varisys'.


    While I understand what you are saying and you aren't wrong, I'd give A-Eonkit much more credit than that. A-Eonkit laid out real money to commission the development of custom boards. Eyetech OTOH took an existing reference board and slapped a boing label on it.


    Yes. Aeon boards are designed to be sold as a product. OTOH Dev boards don't always work terribly well.

    Varisys are competent. Mai logic not so, they wouldn't acknowledge the bugs in their chips when they were pointed out to them.
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2710 from 2003/2/24
    Quote:

    vox wrote:
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > surely AEON/Acube gives it at better name then Mai Logic and Amiga Inc did.

    The counterpart of A-Eon and ACube would be Eyetech. Mai Logic's role would be more like Varisys'.

    > I suppose Acube and AEOn have some contract on licensing the AmigaOne name.

    Yes, they have licensed the name from Hyperion.

    > Its AmigaOne and will always be [...]. Surely you can view Amiga One as name abuse,
    > but that is not that much incorrect

    With the X5000 (as opposed to the X1000), A-Eon is promoting the "AMIGA one" spelling, not "Amiga One".


    As usually, thanks for the corrections, but I hope that messages are understandable. It could be amiga one or AMIGA ONE, that all variates of the same name :-)


    - AeonKit first wanted to call it "A5000"

    - AeonKit made the boot-screen look like this. The words "Amiga" and "5000" are grouped together, have the same font, style and color, while the word "one" is typed in lower case, 1/4 of the size and in a very dark color and hanging by itself up to the right. The "X" was stylized to be part of a lens flare. It's an obvious effort to make you read "Amiga 5000". See this picture to better understand my point.

    - When they write "AMIGA one" it's the same thing. Would it have been possible to make the word "one" even smaller and colored only two notches darker than the white background, they would probably have done that.

    Put all this together and you'll start to see the picture. They are in the business of selling computer systems for very much money, and in the process they are very creative in their ways of projecting "this is an Amiga" onto them, since this trade mark (which they don't have any legal right to use) will make it much easier to sell them to people who "want have the most powerful Amiga", and this wouldn't be possible otherwise...

    Probably not illegal, though balancing on the verge of trade mark infringement.

    It's unethical though, for sure.
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    takemehomegrandma schrieb:
    Probably not illegal, though balancing on the verge of trade mark infringement.
    It's unethical though, for sure.


    Maybe the one or the other or both. And you know why. And "they" will do it again and again and...guess what? One day "they" will have the name . Or not. Depends on money, patience and the will to constantly nag. If I were you I would try to live with it.
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    Who really cares?
    I'm putting a boing ball on mine regardless of the name.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11604 from 2003/5/22
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    Update:

    > "The X3500 lives in silicon but we only have a few units for internal testing."
    > http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=39529&forum=33#744691

    "Trevor Dickinson is said to have revealed that the cheapest version of the next AmigaOne generation will not hit the market: The price of the P3041 quadcore based X3500 would have been too close to the other, P5020/P5040 based dualcore and quadcore models."
    http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2015-06-00068-EN.html
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    Both X3500s? Dual and quad core?
    If so, good, the processor was inferior.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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    > Both X3500s? Dual and quad core?

    There was only quad-core announced. Also, there is no QorIQ P3 processor other than the quad-core P3041. Or what do you mean?
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Both X3500s? Dual and quad core?

    There was only quad-core announced. Also, there is no QorIQ P3 processor other than the quad-core P3041. Or what do you meaning ?


    Sorry Andeas, I thought I saw a dual core version of the X3500 listed somewhere.
    I have pretty much dismissed anything with a P suffix as dated, so I'm not that familiar with the P3041.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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    @Andreas_Wolf

    Quote:

    "Trevor Dickinson is said to have revealed that the cheapest version of the next AmigaOne generation will not hit the market: The price of the P3041 quadcore based X3500 would have been too close to the other, P5020/P5040 based dualcore and quadcore models."
    http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2015-06-00068-EN.html


    Surprising to see that *they are actually able* to cancel bad ideas! This is a skill they should practice a lot more often.


    @Jim

    Quote:

    P suffix


    ...or P prefix...

    :-P
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > I have pretty much dismissed anything with a P suffix as dated

    But you're still going to buy the P5-based X5000, right? :-)
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > Surprising to see that *they are actually able* to cancel bad ideas!
    > This is a skill they should practice a lot more often.

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7001&start=791 :-)
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  • Jim
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > I have pretty much dismissed anything with a P suffix as dated

    But you're still going to buy the P5-based X5000, right? :-)


    Oddly enough, yes.
    But then the replacement for that processor is a T series.
    I should have given that more consideration, and mentioned the specific cores involved.
    Since Freescale introduced the e5500 and e6500, I have seen no reason to utilize older designs.

    Ah, you DO keep me on my toes, Andreas.
    Believe it or not, I value that.
    After all, who wants to be wrong?

    [ Edited by Jim 29.06.2015 - 07:07 ]
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    takemehomegrandma wrote:
    @Andreas_Wolf

    Quote:

    "Trevor Dickinson is said to have revealed that the cheapest version of the next AmigaOne generation will not hit the market: The price of the P3041 quadcore based X3500 would have been too close to the other, P5020/P5040 based dualcore and quadcore models."
    http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2015-06-00068-EN.html


    Surprising to see that *they are actually able* to cancel bad ideas! This is a skill they should practice a lot more often.


    @Jim

    Quote:

    P suffix


    ...or P prefix...

    :-P


    Ah yes, prefix, great another example of my "mastery" of my native tongue.

    And yes, the X3500 was definately a mistake.
    Not sure what the Varisys/A-eon crew was thinking when they planned a board around that cpu.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > the X3500 was definately a mistake. Not sure what the Varisys/A-eon crew
    > was thinking when they planned a board around that cpu.

    They did not plan a separate board for the P3041 but intended to benefit from the pin compatibility between the P3 and the P5. So they would have taken the same Cyrus (Plus) PCB and simply soldered the P3 there instead of the P5.

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7001&start=789
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    Most likely the too small price difference keeps also X5000/10 out of scope.
    It seems a-eon mentioned that there is two project being worked on around lower cost system.
    (I imagine it's the co-operation with ACube and that we might see a design that can hold T10xx or T2081. Can be also with extra co-operation with the ppc laptop team.)
    :-x :-P 8-)
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    Addendum:

    > QorIQ P5040 and P5021 announced [...]: [...]
    >
    > http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=P5040
    > http://www.freescale.com/files/graphic/block_diagram/P5040_BD_IMG.jpg
    > http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact_sheet/P50405021FS.pdf
    > http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/reports_presentations/P5040OVRVWPRES.pdf
    > http://www.freescale.com/files/training/doc/dwf/DWF13_APF_NET_T0560.pdf
    >
    > SerDes lanes count has been upped to 20 (up from 18 on P5020/P5010) with 2 of them
    > reserved for SATA [...].

    There seems to be some ambiguity whether or not the number of SATA controllers of P5040/P5021 has been reduced since the announcement from 2 to 1. The text on the product website (link above) and the data sheet (May 2014) still say it's 2, whereas the block diagram (April 2014, link above) on the product website and the fact sheet (May 2014, link above) show only 1.
    A-Eon's core Linux support team member Darren "Daz" Stevens says it's just 1 SATA controller on the P5040:

    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40345&forum=16&start=80#763902
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