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    Would that be kind of like my toaster is Power7 related because they both run on electricity?
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    > IBM do have a habit of being a little vague about this sort of thing.
    > [...] Probably the same thing here

    IBM tweed from September 16th:
    "The Wii U is a custom 45nm #power7 chip. Same SOI design in #ibmwatson"

    IBM tweed from September 20th:
    "Pardon the error. It's a custom chip built on Power Architecture base"

    I wouldn't call this "a little vague", but rather spreading false information and then posting a correction and apology later. Sincerely, I hope that such is *not* IBM's habit (spreading false information in the first place that is). To me that's a quite remarkable incident, as they started this POWER7 nonsense talk right when the Wii U was announced in mid-2011 and were subsequently questioned ad nauseam about further details on the chip and only 1.5 years after the announcement bothered to come forward with a correction.
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    Andreas has pin pointed the truly disturbing thing, this looks like they were deliberately making misleading statement. Certainly not "vague", and not only incorrect, but false.

    So, can you trust "Big Blue"?
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    > this looks like they were deliberately making misleading statement.

    That's also my suspicion. To me it seems like the purpose of IBM making the misleading connection between the Wii U and their Watson supercomputer was to keep Watson in the news, riding on the coattails of the Wii U's news coverage.
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    I wonder what, if any, involvement IBM has had with the development of the Xbox 720 or PS4 cpus?
    WiiU's cpu looks weak even when compared to current generation of game consoles.
    Does not bode well for Nintendo.

    [ Edited by Jim 20.11.2012 - 17:46 ]
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    > WiiU's cpu looks weak even when compared to current generation
    > of game consoles. Does not bode well for Nintendo.

    Nintendo's devices have never been about computational performance. Their success has other reasons. The Wii was a success despite its low performance compared to Microsoft's and Sony's consoles. I suspect that the Wii U will be another success for Nintendo.
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    Agreed that the original Wii owed its success to it ergonomics.
    But it was more powerful then a Gamecube.
    And while the Wii U is more powerful then a Wii, there is no compelling reason to buy it.
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    > the original Wii [...] was more powerful then a Gamecube. And while the
    > Wii U is more powerful then a Wii, there is no compelling reason to buy it.

    There may be no reason for *you* to buy it, but others may see such reason, for instance this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_U_GamePad
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    > What ever CPU Trevor and the engineers at Varisys decide to use for the
    > next A-Eon motherboard design, I hope that [...] it will be a design that
    > appeals to the MorphOS Dev. Team, so a port might be possible.

    http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=717208 ;-)
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    > Wii U's processor is a warmed over three core version of the last processor.

    Yes, seems so. More information:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espresso_(microprocessor)
    http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2012/11/1701-released-and-jawing-about-wiiucpu.html
    http://twitter.com/marcan42/status/274120447023538176
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    > As I said I believe the CTS-1000 to feature Freescale's e500mc-cored QorIQ P4080 SoC.

    Confirmed a week ago:

    https://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/linuxppc-dev/2012-December/102563.html
    http://www.servergy.com/portfolio/cts-1000/
    http://www.servergy.com/portfolio/cleantech-duo-pack-quad-pack/
    http://www.servergy.com/portfolio/cleantech-hyper-rack/
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    Reminder:

    > Hyperionmp says:
    > "The way in which it will be implemented however is already clearly defined
    > and was subject to peer review by other developers. Obstacles to an
    > efficient implementation were removed (e.g. the use of Forbid) and replaced
    > in many OS components over the years (e.g. DOS). The foundation for
    > SMP support was put in place, a clear picture exists what needs to be done
    > to accomplish it and how. I'm willing to take a bet that it won't take 2 years ;)"
    > http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=34171&forum=33&start=40#627520

    Two thirds passed :-)
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    Personally, I expect more PPC boards to be introduced. The Mac doesn't have to be the end of this direction. A-eon has announced at least two new systems. If MorphOS moves to X86, I can always move to OS4.
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  • »08.01.13 - 00:06
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    > If MorphOS moves to X86, I can always move to OS4.

    One possible event, so many possible outcomes ;-)

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7183&start=92
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    Addendum:

    > Ben Collins says in a comment on the P-Cubed:
    > "We are definitely aiming this to be a low-end version of our CTS product line."
    > [...]
    > My feeling is that at the announced low price it should be some e500v2-cored chip
    > (QorIQ P1 or P2, probably P1022 with DIU due to HDMI traces coming from the chip).

    Interesting comment on the P-Cubed from a MorphOS Team member made 1.5 weeks ago:

    "This board looks very interesting. I'm a member of MorphOS operating system community. [...] P-Cubed board may be our next step with its computing power and price. [...] I look forward to further P-Cubed announcements."

    Does that mean MorphOS may come to the e500v2 surprisingly and against all odds? Or maybe P-Cubed isn't built around e500v2 (I'd be surprised here too) and the MorphOS Team member is aware of that?
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    Andreas_Wolf,
    Quote:

    One possible event, so many possible outcomes ;-)


    Caught again by the indexer from hell.
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    Andreas_Wolf,
    Quote:

    Does that mean MorphOS may come to the e500v2 surprisingly and against all odds? Or maybe P-Cubed isn't built around e500v2 (I'd be surprised here too) and the MorphOS Team member is aware of that?

    You are just reading between the lines here. Not the first time unfortunately. This post on Ben Collins blog is my private opinion and does not represent any MorphOS Team view on P-Cubed. This computer is still a paperware for now, take it into account. I don't know what processor will this device use. On the other hand any low-cost PowerPC board is interesting to us, isn't it?
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    > You are just reading between the lines here.

    I think I'm rather asking the obvious here.

    >> Does that mean MorphOS may come to the e500v2 surprisingly and against all odds?

    > This post on Ben Collins blog is my private opinion and
    > does not represent any MorphOS Team view on P-Cubed.

    Thanks for clarification.

    > This computer is still a paperware for now

    Thanks for this insight, as I was under the impression that it's at least in working prototype stage.

    >> Or maybe P-Cubed isn't built around e500v2 (I'd be surprised here too)
    >> and the MorphOS Team member is aware of that?

    > I don't know what processor will this device use.

    Thanks for clarification. So my e500v2 guess is still in the running.

    > any low-cost PowerPC board is interesting to us, isn't it?

    ...as long as its PowerPC CPU is sufficiently compatible with existing software. At least that's what Piru and itix said if I understand them right. Or do you think I may be reading too much between their lines? ;-)
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    > I wonder what, if any, involvement IBM has had with the development of the
    > Xbox 720 or PS4 cpus?

    Regarding the PS4 CPU, none I guess.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_4#Console
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Accelerated_Processing_Unit#Jaguar_architecture_.28Kabini_and_Temash.29
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    The site you referenced also says "design of the console has not yet been revealed".
    Although the use of an AMD APU has been mentioned frequently mentioned in the past.
    It would be cost effective.


    [ Edited by Jim 23.02.2013 - 23:30 ]
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    Regarding the PS4 CPU, none I guess.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_4#Console



    After all the excitement of the PS3 the PS4 is one big "meh".


    No doubt there will be plenty of people saying this is better because its far easier to program, apparently unaware that you still have to manage the cache (instead of the local store). All the complex stuff is otherwise the same, it's going to be glaringly similar to program.

    If you want real power you'll just have to use the GPU, just don't complain about it being complicated to program...

    Games forced the innovation in the hardware space for many years so it's a bit depressing that it has come to this. The Xbox and PS4 are just PCs in different boxes, and PCs have been boring for years.

    Good thing I have other hobbies these days :-)
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    Pretty good summary of the situation.
    This next generation of consoles is remarkably underwhelming.

    Virtual fraud by IBM making the Wii U look more powerful then it is.
    Basically an off the shelf solution for the PS4.
    And don't expect anything special in the Xbox720.
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    Addendum:

    >> I found an Oracle blog article from a month ago stating:
    >> "The first system I'd like to tell you about is a really cool 8 core Power Architecture
    >> Hyper-Efficient Enterprise Server from a company in Dallas called Servergy."

    > Seems that Servergy has another platform in the works called P-Cubed with a yet unnamed
    > "Dual Core Power System on Chip (SOC)"

    Look who's sponsoring http://www.powerlinuxusersgroup.com :

    http://www.meetup.com/Servergy-Power-Linux-Users-Group/sponsors/ :-)

    Interesting thread:
    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&u=http://safir.amigaos.se/main.php?d=showthread%26f=1%26thread=12693

    It is talking about 4-core P2040 and 8-core P4080 (both have Amiga/MorphOS-friendly e500mc cores). Thing is either would clash with Servergy's "Dual Core" claim. We'll see.


    Edit: Added link to Swedish forum thread.

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 27.08.2014 - 09:46 ]
  • »27.02.13 - 12:08
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    Jim,
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    Virtual fraud by IBM making the Wii U look more powerful then it is.


    Well, Sony and m$ alway went for the max in a small case. Thats why XBOXes and PS3s tended to blow off until more recent models got better cooling and cpus with reduced heat output. Nintendo never played that league. They tried to be innovative with games and controllers, which worked out as they got people to play with the wii, whom never would play with a playstation.

    The biggest problem I see in those XBOX/Playstation race is that they straigth to pc. Years ago people blamed the xbox is a ugly looking pc for the living room. Now we know the PS4 will go this way, too (We just don´t know how ugly it will be). In the result the ps4 will get even more ported PC games than the ps3, which we all know are just shooters, warcraft and diablo. Other games are hard to find in the pc market unless they contain flying birds (Moorhuhn, Angry Birds), cards or majong stones.

    Speaking about the wii-u, it is for sure the most powerful console available, yet. Sure this will change. No one knows if the xbox or the PS4 will be more powerful, but we all know both are PC and PC´s can be expanded to be faster. Just not the PS4 and the XBox. So in the end a gamer pc will outrun any console again. I expect this to happen faster than years before.

    Waiting for the fastest system makes you waiting forever.

    Geit


    [ Edited by geit 27.02.2013 - 15:38 ]
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    @Geit

    One thing is for certain, with hardware that is derived from PCs, porting games from PC to console and vice versa should be fairly easy.
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