New PPC Amiga accelerators announced.
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11720 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    Addendum:

    > Emulating standard Book-E/PowerISA FPU on e500v2 might be hard (or impossible
    > even?) as this is not simply about missing instructions here but about instruction
    > overlappings, i.e. same instructions doing different things on different cores. This
    > seems similar to m68k vs. ColdFire. For an exhaustive and detailed comparison of
    > the programming models of e500v2 vs. e600, refer to:
    > http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/app_note/AN3531.pdf
    > Btw, even the (ex-)maintainer of Debian for PowerPCSPE calls it a "braindead FPU
    > design":
    > http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2012/05/msg00025.html

    To the point:

    http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/219881.shtml
    http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/220016.shtml
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11720 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    Update:

    > http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/219881.shtml
    > http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/220016.shtml

    "As we have the prototype boards in our hands we have been actively working on booting a basic kernel on the PowerPC core and interfacing the board to the Amiga bus. Parallel we are starting the software development side of things, with WarpOS support being worked on - as well as first contact with Hyperion regarding AmigaOS4 support. We also keep an eye on feedback from the community and are evaluating the choice made for the P1013 CPU.We knew that the FPU in this processor is incompatible with the ones found on older PowerPC boards. Our original plan to fix these incompatibilities in software turns out to have more impact that we had foreseen. For this reason, we will reconsider the choice of PowerPC CPU, while continuing the development work of other important stuff on the current prototype."
    http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=828684
    http://www.ultimateppc.nl

    Ermm, what sense makes WarpOS being ported to the e500v2 core when they will attempt to redesign the board for a CPU with a different core anyway?
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 874 from 2007/4/9
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    "WarpOS support being worked on" doesn't necessarily mean the porting phase.

    Review of the original code, project plan, negotiating money (preliminary work which would be common to any such update/port regardless of the specific target) could fall under such a vague description.

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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11720 from 2003/5/22
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    > "WarpOS support being worked on" doesn't necessarily mean the porting
    > phase. Review of the original code, project plan, negotiating money
    > (preliminary work which would be common to any such update/port
    > regardless of the specific target) could fall under such a vague
    > description.

    Okay, this might be the case here.
    I'm really eager to know which CPU they seek to "replace" the QorIQ P1013 with. As far as I'm aware, the main reasons for going with the P1013 was that it provides USB, SATA, Ethernet and a DIU.
    Finding a suitable non-e500v2 Freescale PPC SoC with a DIU will be a problem I'm afraid. The MPC8610 has a DIU but lacks USB, SATA and Ethernet, and the MPC5121e/MPC5123 has all of that but is rather slow compared to the P1013. And while Applied Micro's APM86190 has USB, SATA, Ethernet and an on-chip LCD controller, I don't know the bandwidth (i.e. what resolution at which colour depth and which refresh rate) of the latter.

    https://myapmold.apm.com/MyAMCC/jsp/public/productDetail/product_detail.jsp?productID=APM86190
    https://myapmold.apm.com/MyAMCC/retrieveDocument/SNP/APM86190_PB_20120216.pdf
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11720 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    Addendum:

    > I'm really eager to know which CPU they seek to "replace" the QorIQ P1013
    > with. As far as I'm aware, the main reasons for going with the P1013 was that
    > it provides USB, SATA, Ethernet and a DIU. Finding a suitable non-e500v2
    > Freescale PPC SoC with a DIU will be a problem I'm afraid.

    Freshly announced e5500-based QorIQ T1020, T1022, T1040 and previously announced T1042 all show a DIU in their block diagrams:

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7001&forum=3&start=746

    Apart from that, those SoCs each comes at up to 1.4 GHz clock rate and with 2x SATA2, 2x USB2 and Ethernet ad nauseam.
    Sample availability is supposed to start with the T1042 in first half of 2013, which might not be soon enough for the UltimatePPC.
  • »10.10.12 - 22:30
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11720 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    Addendum:

    > QorIQ T1020, T1022, T1040 and previously announced T1042 all show a DIU in their
    > block diagrams:
    > https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7001&forum=3&start=746

    Confirmation and more details:

    http://www.freescale.com/files/training/doc/dwf/DWF13_AMF_NET_T0232.pdf (page 8)
    http://www.freescale.com/files/training/doc/dwf/DWF13_AMF_NET_T1026_Ottawa.pdf (page 9)
    http://www.freescale.com/files/training/doc/dwf/DWF13_AMF_NET_T1034_Ottawa.pdf (page 10)
    http://www.freescale.com/files/training/doc/dwf/DWF13_QorIQ_Portfolio_SanJose.pdf (page 12)

    "DIU supports video at up to 1280x1024x32bpp"
    "LCD and HDMI interface (DIU) with 12 bit dual data rate"
    http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2013-September/162473.html
    https://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/linuxppc-dev/2013-September/111231.html


    Edit: added more PDF links

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 27.11.2013 - 23:37 ]
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11720 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    Official announcement of discontinuation from a week ago, only some years late:

    "About 7 years ago Gideon and I reconnected and kicked off this great adventure to build cool new hardware for the Amiga. We vowed to be better than all the other vaporware in the amiga history and create something cool. Unfortunately I failed. At the time of creating the prototype (which stirred a lot of comments on nearly everything) I got a new job that consumed all of my available time and some things happened in my personal life that upset nearly everything. Gideon plowed along on the design and PCBs but I was not able to support him on that, and the software part (my part) stalled, and then stopped. [...] I'm officially declaring the UltimatePPC the best project ever that did not make it past the prototype phase. I'll see what I can and will do with the boards we have, maybe they will go to Folkert for the future Amiga museum. As for all the other work, it might end up in another project someday."
    http://www.ultimateppc.nl
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
    Acolyte of the Butterfly
    Goodman
    Posts: 106 from 2006/8/2
    Quote:

    magnetic wrote:
    Look around in my house? Well my gf is at work so most fantasy land stuff is there!

    I'm glad you think this project will happen. At least the main dev is accomplished.

    But I hope you werent one of those guys that wanted an Amijoe, Boxer, Pios, or nAtami ;)


    Don't forget to mention SharkPPC and Dragon, anything else?

    Those days I bought a second hand Blizzard 1260 with SCSI instead of a Blizzard PPC. Few software were developed and most of them with 68k version. Later 603e I didn't think was enough for the new DVD age.
    Recently I've heard about some FPGA cards for Amiga Classic and I think those make more sense than anything else for Classic today. Amiga is only 68k for me while PPC was just like a second FPU. I've never believe in OS4 PPC as well as all those managers selling gadgets. I've never understood why then some of those managers were interested in having a new AmigaOS PPC when I guess they've never spent one penny to fund Phase5 or team with them. There's a saying in my country: only who knows an art can do a company then. For sure I don't know what exactly happened, many software house passed by but that's unbelievable how someone has been always trying to market the Amiga zombie brand!
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1423 from 2003/4/13
    Quote:

    Goodman wrote:

    Don't forget to mention SharkPPC and Dragon, anything else?




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    A/box
    a3400
    A1000+
    A2200 (Computer Answers)
    A5000 MK1
    A5000 MK2 (Power Computing)
    A6000 (Power Computing)
    AA3000 (Commodore)
    AHT STB
    Amiga 1400 (Commodore)
    Amiga 3000+ (Commodore)
    Amiga 4030L Portable (Quickpak)
    Amiga 4060L Portable (Quickpak)
    Amiga 4040L (Quickpak)
    Amiga 4060L (Quickpak)
    Amiga 5050T (Quickpak)
    Amiga 1630LD (Quickpak)
    Amiga ED (Viscorp)
    Amiga MCC (Gateway - Amiga Inc)
    Amiga MCC 1000
    Amiga MCC 1200
    Amiga Nyx
    AmigaOne 1200
    AmigaOne 4000
    AmigaONE 1GHz CPU module (ACK)
    AmigaONE 1.7GHz CPU module (ACK)
    AmigaONE Dual 7410 Cpu Module (eyetech)
    AmigaOS 4 Concept Developer System (Gateway - Amiga inc)
    AmiJoe
    AmiRage K2
    Amy05
    Apollo ViperPPC
    Blizzard2604
    BlizzardG3
    BlizzardG4
    BoXeR
    Brainstormer
    BSC MemoryMaster 1230
    BSC TurboMaster 3050
    BuddhaFlash A500
    C5300 workstation
    C5400 workstation
    CD1200 (Commodore Amiga)
    CD32 Game System 030 accelerator (Commodore)
    CDTV Arcnet controller
    CDTV CR
    CDTV CR Mpeg card
    CDTV2
    Coldfire4000 (1)
    Commodore 2631
    Comspec Arm 1000 (Amiga Rom Module for A1000)
    Comspec SA500 (A500 SCSI Expansion Adapter)
    CV3D Mpeg card
    CyberstormG3
    CyberstormG4
    daVinci Gfx card
    Delfina Flipper - original Zorro/PCI "flipper" board
    DKB Talon - Zorro gfx
    DKB Inferno - gfx addon for Wildfire
    Dragon1200
    Dragon4000
    eClips
    eflash1200
    Elbox EM8400 MPEG-2 hardware decoder
    Elbox ISDN PCI card
    Eureka Afterburner
    G-MCC
    Gigatron Amiga laptop
    GVP A4098
    Harms TurboJet 4000
    Harms TurboJet 5000
    HiQ "Alpha Project"
    Hombre
    Hurricane
    I-MCC
    Impulse Multiprocessing system
    Inside Out
    iPhantom
    Kickflash (Individual Computers)
    Lepord
    M-Box
    Martina Sound Card
    M.A.S.T Infinity Machine - expansion box for A500 with 030
    Melody CDTV soundcard
    MicroA1 XC
    MicroA1-I
    O'Connell 68K™ "classic" Amiga® compatible notebook computer
    Panda
    ParaGlide
    Pegasos I G4 cpu boards
    Pegasos I Dual cpu boards
    Pegasos II Dual cpu boards
    PIOS One
    PowerAmiga (Escom)
    PowerVixxenLT
    PowerVixxenTL
    Pre/box
    SharkPPC
    Siamese PCI
    Silicon Studio - Zorro III sound
    Sunrize DD-524 - optical I/O for AD-516
    TeronPX (AmigaOne)
    TransAM
    Tsunami
    UltraBus USB Zorro Card (Creative Development)
    Unnamed A1200 accelerator (ACK 2004)
    Unnamed A1200 modular busboard & Accelerator combo (ACK 2004)
    Unnamed A500 PPC accelerator + AGA (DCE)
    Unnamed Amiga compatible laptop (BoXer developers)
    Unnamed Amiga PPC computer (H&P)
    Unnamed Supra 040 accelerator for A3000
    Unnamed Z-III AGA upgrade card
    Unity Zorro PCMCIA slot
    Universal Internet Television Interface - UITI (Viscorp)
    Unnamed PPC405 based PDA (Amiga Inc)
    VideoToaster - PAL version
    Wonder TV A6000
    Walker
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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
    ppcamiga1
    Posts: 215 from 2015/8/23
    It was twenty years ago. WUP and PUP with its context switch and cache flush. It is history.
    With full os for ppc Amiga ppc works much better than 68k.
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Goodman
    Posts: 106 from 2006/8/2
    Quote:

    redrumloa wrote:
    Quote:

    Goodman wrote:

    Don't forget to mention SharkPPC and Dragon, anything else?




    Help compile giant list of Amiga hardware vapor


    I'd add Mpeg module for CD32, Cybervision 3D, Picasso IV and Voodoo 1 module for Picasso IV. No Mpeg 1 and 2 decoder, no Firewire card while Draco had one.
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