@Andreas_Wolf

IIRC, also r700 series OpenCl performance is anyway very low when compared to any newer chip.

Anyway, if we one day have OpenCL, most who are in that kind performance need would happily upgrade.

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"a lot" is something of an understatement. It's sort of like writing a new OS and a compiler for it.

Gallium probably doesn't help that much but you will need some way of sending kernels to the GPU.

I don't know if there is an open source implementation but you'll find bits of it in the LLVM/clang compiler set. Some of the grand central dispatch stuff is also opensource.

Once you have all that lot then you have to write something in it, it's not the easiest of languages to program in.

> I don't know if there is an open source implementation

If you mean OpenCL, then yes, there is one under development:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEwMjU
http://tstellar.blogspot.com/2012/03/how-to-test-clover-with-r600g.html (for R800/R900)
http://www.x.org/wiki/XorgEVoC/GalliumCompute (for nVidia)
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7853&forum=3&start=1

I did a search for the amount of times "vapor", "vaporware", "vapour" and "vapourware" (allowing for both UK and US spellings) was used on this thread, and after what post its usage increased.

The results were a little amusing:

X1000_vapo.png

Update:

>>> [...] USB2

>> All features that trump our own hardware (except for the last - IF
>> you add a PCI USB card).

> My Mac mini has on-board USB2, and so does the eMac :-)

The "silent" on-board USB2 of the PowerMac G4 FW800 is now supported by MorphOS:

"Enables USB2 mode for onboard NEC chipsets in PowerMac FW800."
http://www.morphos.de/releasenotes/3.0

> That is the first I have heard about more boards being on their way
> already. That will make many anxious buyers very happy, that did not
> get their orders in fast enough to get one of the "First Contact"
> X1000 computer systems. I hope that your next production run sells
> out almost as fast as the "First Contact" computer systems did.

New information:

http://www.os4welt.de/viewtopic.php?p=12213#p12213
http://www.amigakit.com/x1000/

It seems the second batch will still be called "First Contact" systems.

And this:

"Presumably unintended, the way of sending the e-mail also disclosed that in addition to purchasers of the first batch, there seem to be at least 540 users currently interested in also buying an AmigaOne X1000."
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2012-06-00032-EN.html

X1000 looks to me to be only for the most hardcore of hardcore enthusiasts. Who probably have a MorphOS machine too. And a dedicated AROS PC. Another PC set aside for Amiga Forever and WinUAE. Another one for Amithlon. And a whole bunch of kitted-out classic Amigas, with 68060s and rare PPC accelerators no doubt. And a Minimig or two. And a portable ARM device specifically to run UAE. All with registered WHDLoad. Maybe a few C64s and Atari 800s as well.



[ Edited by Mequa 12.06.2012 - 03:49 ]

@Andreas_Wolf

Looks like MorphOS 3 made them busy.

> X1000 looks to me to be only for the most hardcore of hardcore
> enthusiasts. Who probably have a MorphOS machine too.

To me it seems like so far, the majority of X1000 users do not have a registered MorphOS machine, which I think is not surprising as those enthusiasts are mostly enthusiastic about OS4, and less so MorphOS :-)

> Looks like MorphOS 3 made them busy.

I'm not sure that the release of MorphOS 3 is a reason for A-Eon's announcement. After all, sale of the second batch had been announced for late Q2 (i.e. end of June) already in March.

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7183&start=601

itix,
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IMHO, not only the *timing* is "funny", so are the hyped numbers they try to sell us ("where are they getting this number? the email that was sent to me only had (accidentally) around 150 email addresses, not 540" and "this has been confirmed in a comment over at a-news.de"). Also worth noticing is that the status of the next batch of X1000 hasn't really changed (it's still not here), the previous message from March 31st on that very page stated that the next batch was due in Q2, now it is July to the end of 2012, so if *anything*, this is an announcement of yet another *delay*, but not exactly worded as such, right? And in the AW.net thread there are quite a few people reflecting over the "product status" and availability situation of the A1X1K; I guess I'm not the only one having a "sick mind" producing "insane ramblings" and in need of "professional help" and should "see a doctor"...

I am not concerned about hyped numbers. It still wont generate any more preorders since you have to be subscribed to their mailing list to get an offer to buy.

> the hyped numbers they try to sell us

Who are "they"? Who specifically made the "540 email addresses" claim in the first place, rather than just adopting it?

I don't know where the numbers came from? Certainly not from me. I can confirm, however, that we received an overwhelming response (again )

As for the timing of the news. I can assure you it has nothing to do with the release of MOS3.0.

TrevorD

Posted from Mac PowerBook running MOS3.0

> I don't know where the numbers came from?

Takemehomegrandma seems to know where the 540 number came from originally. I hope he'll enlighten us about who "they" are so the blame for hyping numbers can be put where it belongs.

It's good to see Trevor debunking those numbers as the unrealistic and obvious *false* claims as they were, kudos for that, hopefully this should put an end to those discussions on other sites as well! Anyway, sending an e-mail does not cost you $3,000+, it will be interesting to see how many of those ~150 people who are actually prepared to go ahead, and how many registered only to get some more info. Since the "Registering Interest" opened in March, a lot has happened. Much more info has reached the public about its actual performance, as well as the OS4 support. Pre-order now, and maybe get a delivery at the end of 2012 (or maybe not?). That is practically three years (by some definitions a whole computer generation) since the X1000 was announced, and at that time it was based at technology and performance already 3-5 years old. "The power of X" can flash LED's, and the promised SMP is nowhere to be seen. But at least the wait for that should be over soon, OS4.2 is the next version to be released, right? Based on this, is ~20% of 150 (~30 customers) a realistic expectation? Too many, too few? That could mean ~$100,000 and a *considerable* relative growth of the X1000 platform. This could perhaps be considered quite a good turnout, depending on you expectations of where the X1000 could take the OS4 platform of course. I guess we might know in just another half a year from now? And although denied, I *still* think it's "funny" that it suddenly became so *urgent* to "announce" the next batch of X1000 only a day or so (about as long as it takes to coordinate a web page update, put together a "PR" and a mailing list while having a daytime job I suppose) after MorphOS 3.0 release, when you at the same say that it might take as long as *6 months* until you can actually deliver a product! Of course it doesn't matter in practice (there is clearly a limit on what impact a $3,000 system with 2005 level performance will have), but it's "peculiar" nevertheless, and it follows the same pattern as we have seen before...

Actually, to be totally accurate, I neither confirmed or denied the numbers I just said they did not come from me.

With regards to the next A1-X1000 production run, it was announced a while ago (11th March). The boards are already in manufacture, have been paid for and are nearing completion. As a result AmigaKit are now taking firm pre-orders.

If you want to believe the timing of the annoucement is in anyway related to the MOS3.0 release that is your preogative. However, I can assure you its not.

TrevorD

> It's good to see Trevor debunking those numbers as the unrealistic
> and obvious *false* claims as they were

The question as to who "they" are who attempted to "try to sell us" the 540 number is still unanswered. Don't you want to reveal it by now please? I'm eager to know as well.

> a day or so

More like 3 days (8th vs. 11th).

> when you at the same say that it might take as long as *6 months*
> until you can actually deliver a product!

As far as I have understood the announcement, delivery of the second batch to end customers is supposed to start in July, and it might take as much as 6 months for the *last* unit to ship, not for the first.

> 2005 level performance

I still think it's more like 2007.

@TrevorDick

OK then, I'll take your word for it! It doesn't matter anyway...

[ Edited by takemehomegrandma 12.06.2012 - 14:40 ]

Wasnt it Senex?

> The boards are already in manufacture, have been paid for and are
> nearing completion.

Does that mean that a certain X1000 betatester's claim that the Nemo boards for the second batch are readily produced and being shelved at AmigaKit since the beginning of May is false?

> Wasnt it Senex?

I don't know. If he was, then I wonder why he would want to "try to sell us" hyped numbers (as takemehomegrandma put it). And I wonder why takemehomegrandma would refer to Senex as "they".

Ah, I see what you mean there. Anyway, best luck to them.

Am I the only one wondering why we have a 39 page long thread about X1000 here on MorphZone.org that has constantly been bumped since June 2010? Isn't that kind of hilarious, if you think about it? And there is one about the Sam 460 as well! Neither of these has *any relevance to MorphOS whatsoever*, that was made crystal clear very early on in both of these threads, so isn't it about time we have them locked and passed on into history?

Please?

[ Edited by takemehomegrandma 12.06.2012 - 17:30 ]

> Isn't that kind of hilarious, if you think about it? [...] Neither
> of these has *any relevance to MorphOS whatsoever*, that was made
> crystal clear very early on in both of these threads, so isn't it
> about time we have them locked and passed on into history?

I think one of the MorphOS Team members expressed it well:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7183&start=417

:-)