I am speaking of much longer history of unfinished SAM460ex DMA driver, x1000 ethernet.device, SMP, and surely current x5000 and Tabor buggy ones. Only complete
driver solutions were for A1 XE and SAM440.

At other hand, how poorly other community projects are supported, like Checkmate.

Last and not least, AmiWest has turned to "promises,laughs, promises".Simple comparison of announcements and what has been done is a proof of "quality".

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You have got to be kidding.

Checkmate is a project that aims to raise 100,000 USD for the single purpose of producing a batch of retro computer cases that mimmick outdated pizza box-style cases that were first designed decades ago to save desk space and improve ergonomics when placed below small yet bulky CRT monitors.

In times when, often height-adjustable, compact flat screens are the standard and next to nobody is using CRT monitors anymore, nobody should be surprised that this type of form factor has long gone out of style and been pretty much abandoned for good reason.

Plus, at a premium cost of roughly 250 USD for a mere case, this is clearly not a project that will attract the interest of many users. In fact, the fact that "only" a few hundred people have pledged and shown serious interest is proof that this is a niche product and not something that appeals to a majority of community members.

Being a niche product is perfectly fine, by the way. What is not fine is when entitled individuals make accusations against others for not spending thousands and thousands of dollars on a project that by all reasonable standards is "non-essential".

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No, I am not.

And its much, much more than that.


A modular PC case. Perfect case for Standalone Vamp or A500/600 Vamp.
For expanded A1200. Molds to be made for re-production runs.
Then there is a side a500 to a3000 keyboard conversion kit and plan to make
A3000 keyboard replica for all.

In then, there is nice plan to supply OS 3.9, AmiKit X and AROS wherever possible in
ordered kits, way more custom and nicer then CUSA incl. Vampire Standalones.

And that is something here cannot be spoken of (multiple threads deleted)

@vox

You can back these cases with 25.8 gazillion english Złoty if you like, but if I ever put a full-size desktop onto my desk it will be a genuine A3000 or A4000 case with a genuine A3000 or A4000 motherboard in it.

If I need an emulation going beyond what actual HW ever did, I'll just set up UAE somewhere, better, cheaper and just as "real" as Frankenstein-Hype that will soon blow over.

The general public might be mini-NES cos it's cheap and easy to use, if they are geeky they might get an A500 replica case as that the only Amiga they will remember.

A3000 was something very few outside ever saw or would easily identify as "Amiga" so the market for those case is limited by design.

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True, but its Classic users wet dream, and best Amiga by out of box abilities ever. Something like Atari TT. Too advanced, too expensive.

By your every right.

But its NOT just UAE box that you dislike, (thats for PC souls wishing to fire up amikit x or AROS sometimes) it is ALSO Amiga case.

It will be great shame if it fails. Stephen has been a nice spearhead of old school home
innovation, not a money reaper as many.

Loriano is already out, A500 molds succeeded, but there will be NOT many options for Claasics, Vamps,AmigaNGs and PC/Pi Amiga emu boxes. This one deserves to live.

[ Edited by vox 27.09.2018 - 22:31 ]

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What, you didn't enjoy breaking your CD-drive's door gears when you ejected a CD after forgetting to move your keyboard?

@all

Dont you worry, its highly likely to fail UNLESS miracle happen and over 25%
is funded in next 100 hours.

$76,625 pledged of $101,355 goal
311 backers
4days to go

Thank you all for generous contribution as well as for securing
your likely last nice desktop case. As well as for support
to Stephens past endeavors.


Crazy Checkmate 1500 Unofficial Promo - New miniITX Amiga case
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAB1JiSMssw


Looking forward to see Tabor in Fractal design x1000 HDD Less case in next commercial.

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Perhaps the name is too subtle but MorphZone is a MorphOS website.

We do not accept unpaid advertisements for projects and products without an obvious connection to MorphOS. These are considered "spam" and will be deleted immediately. For the record, we also delete news submissions for the same reason almost every week so this is a fairly standard procedure.

Completely Amiga unrelated.

Paid advertisment in midst of KS? Must be joking.

No MOS sys? I bet I could mod MacMini to it.
SAM460ex too. Future x86 board.

Amiga 1200 with Blizzard.

More if you support more, likewise with OS4.

But, understandable from some corporate POV.


Really expected more from old and die-hard Amiga fans.
Well, now I NOT will buy a MOS license until either x1000 or x86 MOS.
(even G4s and G5s have became dirt cheap even in my area)

Tear down and exponation, for those who those who wish to educate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dMVgQG6_KA

Thats all from me, folks. Dont expect much buzz either. Relax.

Update:

$101,678 pledged of $100,989 goal
417 backers
21hours to go

AmiWest promises on Tabor:

It currently supports the latest RadeonHD and RadeonRX drivers, Warp3D Nova, and Warp3D-SI. The Ethernet drivers are done (two of them; one A-EON and the other AOTL), and firmware is updated to X5000 level. Waiting on the Audio driver and final OS 4.1 ISO. It should ship Q1 2019

[ Edited by vox 13.10.2018 - 23:39 ]

@Vox

Thanks for bringing this to the attention of the MorphOS community, I think we can say that I may struggle to get them on board which is a shame especially with what I am planning but they may come round.

It is quite amusing because I agree with a lot that has been said but I have a big picture which will only become fully clear when it happens. There is no secret I want to bring people back to the Amiga and this is hopefully a small step on that path.

The reason for the case is to appeal to the nostalgia people feel to the Amiga computer that they gave up years ago and the absolute belief that the A3000 was the best Amiga ever made next to the A1000 and definitely the best looking. Now having this nostalgia bone tickled may give this small community another boost.

However, I assume people do not mind if I continue to try and get MorphOS hardware running in my case one way or another as it is definitely the best looking Amiga platform.

Steve Jones

P.S. I did not bother including the Kickstarter link
p.p.s. Please port to ARM, x86 was good choice ten years ago but not now.

@Andreas_Wolf


Blame game continues post AmiWest speeches:

Source

#6

> It is possible that a more complete account of events will be offered
> at AmiWest 2018.

From a month ago:

"- Designed and wrote an AmigaOS driver template, with its first implementation targeting writing Ethernet Drivers.
- Wrote and released the native Ethernet driver for the AmigaONE A1222 (through Hyperion).
- Implemented about 80% of a native DPAA Ethernet driver for the AmigaONE X5000 (working with Hyperion to enhance support for the X5000 and A1222 hardware and complete the DPAA driver)."
http://bitbybitsoftwaregroup.com

Speaking of Tabor, it seems that they are finally removing SPE support from GCC(8) ...

git://gcc.gnu.org / gcc.git / commitdiff

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Ah, thats what everybody at HAIPAHAIPA has been waiting for !!

> they are finally removing SPE support from GCC(8)

Discussions on deprecating it already in GCC7 started 2 years ago:

https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2017-02/msg00041.html
https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2017-05/msg01227.html

The deprecation was then postponed to GCC8:

https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2018-04/msg00810.html
https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2018-04/msg00102.html

GCC9 is supposed to have it removed completely:

https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2018-11/msg00078.html
https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2018-12/msg00123.html

As can be imagined, the maintainer of Debian for powerpcspe in general (and Tabor/A1222 in particular) has not been amused about this decision:

https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2018-04/msg00107.html
https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=81084 (see comments)

The official GCC8 page has this information since March at least:

"The PowerPC SPE support is split off to a separate powerpcspe port. The separate port is deprecated and might be removed in a future release."

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It got deprecated in GCC 8, but is still included there. It got removed from 9.1.x now ( klick)

As this is a very important matter, Phoronix had also a news posting about it.

> Phoronix had also a news posting about it. ;-)

It's just unsettling that they don't seem to know the e500 and its SPE have nothing to do with IBM and are pure Motorola/Freescale/NXP things.

Addendum:

> the MAC address issue is specific to X5000/Cyrus.

More info:

https://forum.hyperion-entertainment.com/viewtopic.php?p=47026#p47026
https://forum.hyperion-entertainment.com/viewtopic.php?p=49886#p49886


Edit: added another link

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 21.09.2020 - 19:08 ]

Update:

>> they are finally removing SPE support from GCC(8)

> GCC9 is supposed to have it removed completely: [...] the maintainer
> of Debian for powerpcspe in general (and Tabor/A1222 in particular)
> has not been amused about this decision: [...]

The maintainer of Debian for powerpcspe would like to remove the powerpcspe port in the near future:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2019/05/msg00125.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2019/05/msg00128.html

While powerpcspe support got removed from gcc it meanwhile got added in llvm/clang (klick). But this does not matter much for Debian as they use gcc as system compiler.

To be happy again the Debian powerpcspe maintainer just needs to quit and start as powerpcspe FreeBSD maintainer, all is fine then.

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FreeBSD on a P1022? I'd buy a cheap Zen2 based system first.

BTW - You have some really nice toys!

> FreeBSD on a P1022? I'd buy a cheap Zen2 based system first.

Going by that logic, the loss of Debian support for P1022 is a non-issue as well :-)

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Thanks! I actually play with these toys on a daily basis, one or the other.

Zen2 based != cheap.
If you want cheap you should look for 2nd hand AMD FX 4x00/6x00 rigs. I got a board+CPU+RAM combo (FX 6300) for just 50 € for a friend. Surely an improvement over his old Phenom II X4.

BTT - the P1022 really may have a better future on FreeBSD than on Debian:
a.) FreeBSD runs on Big Endian PowerPC
b.) llvm/clang is the system compiler since FreeBSD 10.0
c.) powerpcspe is supported as target arch since llvm/clang 7.0.1

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I was trying to use FreeBSD few years before on powermac G5, but don't succeed to install desktop (some compiller errors). I am also using NetBSD on my old Pegasos2. Nice, stable, reliable.

If Tabor ever be relesed, I definitely buy one. For joy and support. And of course, I will install FreeBSD