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  • Caterpillar
    Caterpillar
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    Posts: 37 from 2003/9/28
    Interesting...

    when I got the 0.4 ver installed and running it worked
    fine on my

    A4000TPPC233mhz/060/128m/P96/Cybervision64/3D

    but now 1.4.5 doesn't support this graphics board?

    is this because the dev team needed to hammer the
    hardware directly instead of supporting P96/CGX/RTG
    perhaps?

    shame really, maybe I could have had a look and actually
    got DosBox running... and my A1 still hasn't arrived
    yet

    :P
  • »27.08.05 - 12:51
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2579 from 2003/2/24
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    DJBase wrote:
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    BTW, I think it would be possible to spend an infinite amount of time in adding support for all kind of classic features and configurations, but I also think that one should draw a line somewhere in how much time and effort it is worth to put on a dead-end vintage system. I think we should look at this for what it is, and I do *not* think MorphOS for classics should be considered a way forward and worth investing a lot of efforts in, but rather a way of letting classic users and developers with suitable hardware (or motivation enough to get it) try/use/develop for MorphOS. All in my humble opinion of course.



    But remember there are more PowerUP Systems outhere than Pegasos and A1 together. If every second will use MorphOS than we could call this an success for the MorphOS Community. But they would need Support for their Classic Hardware.


    There are certainly more PowerUP systems *manufactured*, but I kind of doubt that there are more PowerUP systems *alive* and *active* today, than there are Pegasos systems. But who knows? Difficult to tell IMHO ...

    But don't get me wrong here, I am all with you when it comes to the core idea - getting the OS as widely spread as possible, in order to attract developers and users! I have advocated free releases like this since *way* back. MorphOS is a closed source, commercial OS, but charging something like $100 for the OS at this point would make no sense. It would only be counter-productive and make sure that the OS would never take off. Remember that MorphOS competes with an entire world of free, Open Source OS's and software that already has everything implemented, all state of the art Internet applications, all state of the art creativity applications, and everything else. It simply won't be possible to charge a lot more money for an OS (or platform) that has a lot less to offer.

    If the OS is to move from being a "smallish hobby OS project" (perhaps a little evil phrased, but no offense intended) into a vivid and well supported *platform*, then I believe that a certain critical mass has to be reached when it comes to the amount of active third party developers (which at this point also and also makes it necessary to have lots of users on board of course). So again - at this point it only makes sense to make the OS as widely spread as possible in order to make that happen. Port it to #? PPC, release it free of charge and make it really easy for everyone to download it online, as well as joining the MDC, getting the development tools and documentation, and start being creative. Just like the MorphOS team has done now, I think they are doing everything right at the moment! :-) More applications, more developers, (and more of any unpredictable dynamic effects that all of this put together may bring); all this will increase the chances of the platform getting more attractive to various builders of embedded applications and consumer electronics devices. I think this is where the money will come from, not from competing head to head agains MS Windows or MacOS X on the desktop market. Seed now - harvest later.

    The point of my post above was only to raise the question of prioritization. I think this PowerUP release is a great thing. It was promised way back, and now it has happened (generally speaking, I think there has been a great deal of fulfilling old promises during the last months, which is very promising :-)). It will bring some more talanted Amiga developers (and users) on board, that would never move away from the classics when it comes to the Amiga platform, so it can only be a good thing. And maybe there is also room for some classic specific updates in the future as well? But since there are only 24 hours in a day, and only 365 days in a year, all time and efforts that are being put into some developments, has to be developed *at the expense of something else*. The question is - what is that "something else"? What will bring the most "bang for the buck"? Is it PowerUP? Or could it perhaps be Mac Mini? Or could it be something else? Bottom line: does it make sense to spend a lot of additional time than already spent, in order to support a lot more classic configurations?
    MorphOS is Amiga done right! :-)
    MorphOS NG will be AROS done right! :-)
  • »27.08.05 - 13:07
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 1789 from 2003/3/5
    From: Poland
    0.4 supported more gfx drivers only because the whole graphics environment was emulated. The new, native components of 1.4.5 are not compatible with the old gfx drivers. This has nothing to do with "direct hammering" of the hardware, the internals of the OS simply changed too much (or rather, were actually implemented by us).
  • »27.08.05 - 13:30
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 979 from 2003/6/28
    About supported stuff, it could be very interesting support running AGA stuff, not need to being emulated, only giving the AGA stuff the entire hardware access, even 68k...

    Maybe 68k AmigaOS installed is needed for this?

    Using AGA stuff into MorphOS, whdload... could make classic AmigaOS not needed at all...

    [ Edited by timofonic on 2005/8/27 15:44 ]
  • »27.08.05 - 14:43
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2579 from 2003/2/24
    Quote:


    timofonic wrote:
    About supported stuff, it could be very interesting support running AGA stuff


    Not going to happen, me thinks ...
    MorphOS is Amiga done right! :-)
    MorphOS NG will be AROS done right! :-)
  • »27.08.05 - 22:55
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Bladerunner
    Posts: 418 from 2004/2/19
  • »27.08.05 - 23:49
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2579 from 2003/2/24
    @Bladerunner

    Ah, sorry! ;-)

    And great work with your experiments! I think many appreciates it! :-)
    MorphOS is Amiga done right! :-)
    MorphOS NG will be AROS done right! :-)
  • »28.08.05 - 00:08
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Bladerunner
    Posts: 418 from 2004/2/19
    @Takemehomegrandma
    Well as I don`t have MOS capable Classic Hardware, I didn`t do the tests myself. I have to thank Christoph Gutjahr and Amiga Mancer for their tests.
    btw, if there is enough interest, I might make another "light" Mui package, based upon my other skins.
  • »28.08.05 - 00:28
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  • Caterpillar
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    Posts: 37 from 2003/9/28
    thanks for the elaboration, understood.
  • »28.08.05 - 03:46
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  • MorphOS Developer
    itix
    Posts: 1514 from 2003/2/24
    From: Finland
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    About supported stuff, it could be very interesting support running AGA stuff, not need to being emulated, only giving the AGA stuff the entire hardware access, even 68k...



    It is possible to run hardware banging AGA software even now but usually they try to kill the OS and it is big no-no.

    Stuff like mod players which access CIA timers or Paula work.

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    Maybe 68k AmigaOS installed is needed for this?



    It is better for hardware banging and lowlevel stuff.
    1 + 1 = 3 with very large values of 1
  • »28.08.05 - 17:34
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  • Butterfly
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    mdma
    Posts: 85 from 2003/5/4
    Quote:


    JKD wrote:
    Here's a suggestion. If you like MorphOS for PowerUp, use the PayPal link ;-)

    There's no set amount, just show your appreciation.




    Just donated even though my Mediator 1200 and FastATA are unsupported.

    edit

    Quote:

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    Apache/1.3.33 Server at powerup.morphos-team.net Port 80


    What a nice thankyou! ;-)

    [ Edited by mdma on 2005/8/29 0:08 ]

    [ Edited by mdma on 2005/8/29 0:09 ]
  • »28.08.05 - 18:06
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  • JKD
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    JKD
    Posts: 448 from 2003/4/4
    From: South of heaven
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    Just donated even though my Mediator 1200 and FastATA are unsupported


    Excellent :-D

    Quote:

    What a nice thankyou!


    I noted this (after I had donated) on the #morphos channel. Reply, "someone needs to be spanked" ;-)

    [ Edited by JKD on 2005/8/28 16:12 ]
  • »28.08.05 - 18:11
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  • Butterfly
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    mdma
    Posts: 85 from 2003/5/4
    Quote:


    Quote:

    What a nice thankyou!


    I noted this (after I had donated) on the #morphos channel. Reply, "someone needs to be spanked" ;-)



    :lol:
  • »28.08.05 - 18:15
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    zukow
    Posts: 497 from 2005/2/9
    From: Poland
    big slowdown in mui exist due to the lack of Vera.ttf font in mossys:fonts/_ttf directory, copy the fonts from pegasos mos145 and mui will be fast (with gradients too)
  • »28.08.05 - 18:20
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  • Butterfly
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    mdma
    Posts: 85 from 2003/5/4
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    zukow wrote:
    big slowdown in mui exist due to the lack of Vera.ttf font in mossys:fonts/_ttf directory, copy the fonts from pegasos mos145 and mui will be fast (with gradients too)


    Really?

    What an odd bug.
  • »28.08.05 - 18:24
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 1789 from 2003/3/5
    From: Poland
    Yeah well... a silly mistake of mine. Will be fixed in another update.
  • »29.08.05 - 07:58
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    CLS2086
    Posts: 168 from 2005/8/25
    From: West of PARIS
    Hi, I noticed that too yesterday.
    When I copied the CD, it told me that the Font Vera...... was already copied !
    I suppose it's a name lenght problem, not your fault !
    I choose an another fonts for MUI, but i did not find the way to make the menus appeared faster (between 1 and 2s)

    I made some little tried of PCI card at night :
    Ess Solo1 : i found no drivers to make it works, and its mixer nedd amigaguide.library

    Voodoo TVFM with RadioX : the card is already in use...

    Combo VIA USB2+FW with poseidon 2.2 68km + arackattack : I need to add manually the OpenUsb units, it found well if its UHCI or EHCI. But it is limited to 3 units. Find and install an hub.class, but gave error when it try to open an another unit.

    Rtl 8029AS : no drivers ....

    Pcmcia compactflash.device -> can't find a device in CF0: when I use IDEFIX'97 FindADevice, it told me that there is a device "0" in this port, but no more informations (that should be SanDisk 6.41.....)


    And now some common points with MOS on my Pegasos :
    I tried to install Wipeout2097 : no installer installed :) (needed to pickup the one in AOS 3.9)

    I tried to install ArtEffect4 : missing fonts ! (needed to pickup the one in AOS 3.9)

    More tests tonight :-D
    Keep the Faith !
    VG 5000/A1000/500/500+/600/2000/1200PPC-GREX/1200PPC-ATEO/1200+1230-IVFPUSCSI/CD32/Pegasos 1 April1 G3/Pegasos 2 G4/ Ahtlon/K6-3/various funny machines too :-)
    Maybe one day a G4 AmigaONE when they will be debugged and without April...
  • »29.08.05 - 08:57
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 1789 from 2003/3/5
    From: Poland
    The "already copied" issue is related to FFS. Try using SFS/PFS3 instead. FFS doesn't handle long names properly.

    Never heard of Ess Solo1, you obviously need to use 68k drivers for it. MorphOS doesn't have amigaguide.library, copy it from the OS3.x install.

    No idea why RadioX wouldn't work.

    Why do you use 68k poseidon? PPC one is available on platon42's page.

    PCMCIA support requires a kickstart image afair.

    MorphOS doesn't come with an Installer.

    Did you install ArtEffect on MOS or just ran it from the OS3.x partition? I guess AF install some private fonts.
  • »29.08.05 - 09:41
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    DJBase
    Posts: 739 from 2003/4/6
    From: Germany
    Quote:


    Ess Solo1 : i found no drivers to make it works, and its mixer nedd amigaguide.library

    Rtl 8029AS : no drivers ....



    The old G-REX driver should work.
    Mac mini, PowerPC G4 1.5 GHz, ATI Radeon 9200 64 MB, 1 GB RAM, 80 GB HDD, MorphOS 3.10
    PowerBook, PowerPC G4 1.67 GHz, ATI Radeon 9700 128 MB, 1 GB RAM, 80 GB HDD, MorphOS 3.10
  • »29.08.05 - 09:44
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    Senex
    Posts: 495 from 2003/2/17
    From: Hannover / Ger...
    If I'd be a user of the PowerUp version, I'd have the following question meanwhile:

    Where's the separate support-bounty button to donate for jacadcaps' help here with this officially unsupported release...?!? ;-)
  • »29.08.05 - 10:18
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 1789 from 2003/3/5
    From: Poland
    You're welcome to donate to my SSHCON project :P
  • »29.08.05 - 11:50
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    CLS2086
    Posts: 168 from 2005/8/25
    From: West of PARIS
    Hi, I did not have yet downloaded MOS Poseidon ;) I supposed that it was just an update for MOS not a complete version.

    For ArtEffect, I installed it from the CD like I did my pegasos or previously on my 1200 with AOS3.9.

    I'll try the old driver for the 8029AS, but before, I'll try to plug a 8139 and see what will happen.

    I saw that the symbios.device was implemented in the boot, I hope that it will give the same result that I have on my peg : ) it makes works my DC310U (53C810) and my SymBios UltraWilde 895 :). Ultra High speed ahead :)
    Keep the Faith !
    VG 5000/A1000/500/500+/600/2000/1200PPC-GREX/1200PPC-ATEO/1200+1230-IVFPUSCSI/CD32/Pegasos 1 April1 G3/Pegasos 2 G4/ Ahtlon/K6-3/various funny machines too :-)
    Maybe one day a G4 AmigaONE when they will be debugged and without April...
  • »29.08.05 - 13:32
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