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Thanks to Team Twiizers the Wii is cracked wide open and thus is the most probable candidate among the current-gen consoles for a MorphOS port. There are some limitations though that makes it a less-than-optimal choice, like f.ex. resolution (though it might be able to tweak it beyond 480p/576i no-one has thus far figured out how), USB (apparently limited to 1.1 even though it's listed as 2.0 by Nintendo (this could just be a setup issue though, so could still be resolved)) and storage; 2GB SD (4GB with some rare cards) and only 512MB builtin NAND...

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Time? :P


- CISC

[ Edited by CISC on 2008/9/26 12:34 ]

@Jupp3

You can play HDTV videos using the SPEs without problems. Examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC_qnPNuul4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4Wul8MLM6E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2SWDGSU5ko

Raytracing without RSX under Linux:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehwFOM4CBKA&feature=related

3D Games running full screen without RSX, using SPE as scaler:
Duke Nukem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJxU98U07gQ

Quake2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5hR32lcrYM

Hexen2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyOCwZJXjL4&feature=related

@CISC

Wii is even more useless than PS3 since it only has 88MB of ram.

A custom CGX driver shouldn't take so much. First version could be unaccelerated and the next ones could use the SPEs to speed up blitting and overlay stuff.

I suggested that to "some" dev and he said it would be a too time consuming task :) Maybe time wouldn't be suchs a big issue if we could come up with an big enough bounty

Oh and if every MOS dev would get a PS3 the development would propably halt as they would be too busy playing Super Stardust HD and Wipeout HD
[ Edited by Painkiller on 2008/9/26 13:52 ]

[ Edited by Painkiller on 2008/9/26 13:54 ]

Anyone knows that I am Pro-Efika, but a WII with its even more limited in memory will be good for nothing you can't do with the Efika, too. In such cases it will just waste energie.

The system may be faster, but you won't be able to run those programs which could need that speed boost.

Blender, Quake 1+2, Robin Hood work fine on Efika, but on Wii you would simply run out of memory.

The MAC is the only suitable hardware for porting, as its the only hardware thats faster, has more memory and full hardware acceleration support.

Geit

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That's plenty as long as you don't run 3dlayers or anything else fancy, it's not as if you'd expect a Wii to turn into your main computer, besides, I'm sure Painkiller would happily experiment soldering on some more RAM. :P

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No thanks (talk about complete waste of hardware (and electricity)).

Anyway, funnily enough, minutes after my last post I saw news about the PS3 flash-encryption being broken and ppl being able to hack/degrade their PS3, this is great progress .. give it a few more months and if these guys have managed to run proper homebrew with full hw-access by then we can talk...

- CISC

no PS3. it would be a lot better to bring it to several mac systems, like a Powerbook or ibook. a PowerMac G5 Version f.ex would be pretty nice and HD Video playback would work just like a charm.

i would also think that a Powerbook or ibook port would make more sense than any "next-generation" console (PS3, Wii, XBox360. CD32, Colecovision etc.) support.

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There are plenty of things that require more raw CPU power and bus-speed than they do memory, MPlayer being a very good example (though H.264 can eat a bit)...


- CISC

I think that focusing in one port is the best thing to do when the "core developer" are so limited in number like in MorphOs ...
So, go for Mac port, it'll be a very good xmas present for many people!
Look at my signature...
Just my 2 cents.

Hola

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MorphOS on Samantha? It will be great count me in for that.

Agree 100% regarding MacMinis. Minis are going for around 200? for a complete system theese days. It should be possible to collect money for a couple of theese - at least.

Not to flame anything - just courious: Is there anything with the IP of MorphOS that stops it from beeing ported?



[ Edited by JohnFante on 2008/9/26 12:50 ]

But I would love to see MorphOS on PS3 as well :)

samantha would be the wrong way, we dont need another underpowered embedded system. lets hope for the 8610 and mac ports.

I also suggetsing to *first* finish the Mac Mini port and *then* think what to target next.
Macs are currently the best choice. Hopefully we'll see some new hardware based on the 8610 and 512* soon which both are better candidates for MorphOS than the PS3, Wii or xbox360.

But first the Mac!

a simple question by a newbie:

where are 8610 and 512* processors are used? In which machines?

I think after MOS is ported to Mac Mini the next best choice would be the Powerbook(not iBook)
It got a G4 with up to 1,67Ghz and a Radeon 9700(the question is if it's possible to make a Driver for the R9700 that support 3D?)

@ CountRaven: Afaik the 8610 and 512* are used only on some expensive Dev-Boards.

@Cego: surely the Samantha-board is underpowered, but you are able to upgrade it with more RAM, and you can use SATA-drives, two very important advantages over the efika.

[ Edited by analogkid on 2008/9/26 16:03 ]

> you are able to upgrade it with more RAM, [...] very important
> advantages over the efika.

It has more RAM than Efika, right, but RAM is not expandable.

@Andreas_Wolf:

http://www.acube-systems.biz/eng/sam.php

the official site is telling us, that the SAM is alternatively available with a DDR DIMM 100 slot. Is this alternative version not available or sold out?

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Well the idea of sam440 port is to lure in new user from OS 4.1 land obviously. I mean who of them wouldn't actually even try out MOS if they have the ability to do so? I'm willing to bet that there are many who wants to try it out and then there are ofcourse the people who for some reason hate MOS, but I have a feeling that even they might try it out :)

> the SAM is alternatively available with a DDR DIMM 100 slot.

Correct. This version has no soldered RAM. And the Sam440 can only take 512 MiB maximum (albeit the CPU could address 1 GiB max).

> Is this alternative version not available or sold out?

I think it is available, but to no use for users who need more than 512 MiB.

@discreetfx

Oh, don't get me started on this.

I'm sorry for sounding harsh here (no evil pun towards you intended), but MorphOS/Amiga on PS3 is a *retarded idea* for *so many* reasons (and that is *on top* of the pure technical reasons), and would only serve as a destructive diversion of important efforts and valuable man-hours that could be much better spent elsewhere.

If the MorphOS Team would sincerely look at the PS3 as a viable way forward towards any kind of commercial future, then one might think that since MorphOS is a *commercial* OS (just like Hyperion's OS for that matter) they could buy their own hardware from the money they make on past, current and future OS sales, right?

But hey, if you want to *reward* the MorphOS team with free PS3's, like you did to the Friedens, then don't let me get in your way! And if you do so, then please include the latest Metal Gear Solid! Apart from GTA4, I think it's the best console game I've played in *a long* time! And that's mainly what the PS3 is for anyway, playing PS3 games...

However, if you want to initiate some kind of bounty that further advances MorphOS itself in any way, and fund the foundation for it, then I'm sure the morphzone crowd can come up with loads of ideas! It doesn't have to be big things; I mean codecs and stuff for reggae, drivers of various kinds, etc. I'd chip in for these kind of things. But not for PS3, no no...

[ Edited by takemehomegrandma on 2008/9/27 0:56 ]

If MorphOS for MacMini is almost done / fairly easy but a little time consuming, then by all means please finish the port.

As for a bounty for porting to iBook G4 etc then, please, NO. Let's put efforts towards current or new hardware, not discontinued or hard to get hold of hardware.

I don't think Sony are going to open up the PS3. Have you seen the situation with the PSP ? If it wasn't for the firmware hackers, official firmware would be at version 1.0. And you have to make a special battery to install the custom firmware but people are willing to do it!

While we are talking about future hardware, PPC is effectively dead, there is not going to be a G6, the only processors that might be available will be SoC aimed at embedded systems. Time to think about a new CPU target.

While the opinions about any next generation console hardware (especially in regard to (im)possible MorphOS ports) are disperse for whatever reasons...

I just want to let you know that I personally don't mind getting a free PS3 (or any other next generation console or whatever hardware like a Powerbook, Plasma TV, Porsche, Boeing 747 or a nice Castle in the Scottish Mountains) as long no strings or expectations are attached. I think that goes most members of the team actually. If someone has too much money, then why the he..err... dell not?

regards,
tokai