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    Correction:

    > the e6500 in T1 through T4 will be dual-threaded

    First T1 chip got announced:

    http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1705881
    http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1743554
    http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=T1042
    http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact_sheet/AMPT1042PFS.pdf
    http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact_sheet/T1FAMILYFS.pdf
    http://www.freescale.com/files/training/doc/dwf/DWF13_QorIQ_Portfolio_SanJose.pdf (SerDes lane and PCIe controller configs at pages 36/37 and 39)
    http://2014ftf.ccidnet.com/pdf/0163.pdf (SerDes lane and PCIe controller configs at pages 21-23)
    http://www.freescale.com/files/graphic/block_diagram/T1040_T1042_BD_IMG.jpg
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6V3cKlZW0o
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyU3VUT2Vpc

    ...and quite to my surprise (and opposed to what is being said by Freescale on other occassions*), it doesn't have the new e6500 cores but the older e5500 cores, thus neither threading nor AltiVec.
    I think it's notable that those are e5500 cores shrunk to 28 nm (like e6500), as opposed to the 45 nm e5500 cores of the P5 series.
    Furthermore, the T1042 has a DDR4 memory controller (T2080 and T4240/T4160 have only DDR3).

    * http://www.freescale.com/files/training_pdf/FTF/2012/americas/WBNR_FTF12_IND_F0122.pdf (page 9)
    * http://www.freescale.com/files/training_pdf/WBNR_FTF11_NET_F1176.pdf (page 12)
    * http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/brochure/PWRARBYNDBITSSKD.pdf (page 3)
    * http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/brochure/PWRARBYNDBITS.pdf (page 57)
    * http://www.freescale.com/files/microcontrollers/doc/brochure/BRPWRARCHCOR.pdf (page 3)

    T1022 seems to be next (maybe it has a DIU like the P1022):
    http://www.freescale.com/files/training_pdf/FTF/2012/americas/WBNR_FTF12_NET_F0009.pdf (page 59)
    http://2012ftf.ccidnet.com/pdf/0009.pdf (page 52)
    http://www.freescale.com.cn/cstory/ftf/2012/pdf/0009.pdf (page 52)

    Edit1: Added Youtube video link.
    Edit2: Added another PDF link.
    Edit3: Added T1040.
    Edit4: Added another PDF link.
    Edit5: Added another PDF link.

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 29.10.2014 - 14:04 ]
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    Update:

    > Revised QorIQ T roadmap as of August 2011 (page 4):
    > http://www.freescale.com.cn/cstory/ftf/2011/pdf/0772.pdf
    > http://2011ftf.ccidnet.com/pdf/0772.pdf
    > [...]
    > T2: T2080 [...]

    Announced:

    http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1705881
    http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1743554
    http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=T2080
    http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact_sheet/AMPT2080PFS.pdf
    http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact_sheet/T2080FS.pdf
    http://www.freescale.com/files/graphic/block_diagram/T2080_BD_IMG.jpg
    http://www.freescale.com/files/graphic/block_diagram/T2081_BD_IMG.jpg

    T2080: 2x PCIe 3.0, 2x PCIe 2.0, 16 SerDes lanes (8x 10 GHz, 8x 8 GHz), 2x SATA2
    T2081: 1x PCIe 3.0, 3x PCIe 2.0, 8 SerDes lanes (8 GHz), no SATA

    "T2080 is primarily intended to succeed [...] P2041 and P3041. T2080 offers double the performance of these devices while maintaining about the same power and pricing."
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qOP9muZAQ8

    "T2080 is primarily intended to succeed [...] P2041 and P3041. T2080 [...] offers 2x or better in core capability, cache size, SerDes bandwidth and Ethernet connectivity of these devices while maintaining about the same power and pricing."
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRhAq1XHcBo

    Pricing of P2041/P3041 at Avnet:
    P2041: 202...337 USD
    P3041: 230...364 USD


    Edit: added T2081

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 10.10.2012 - 22:13 ]
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    Addendum:

    >> some (see Wikipedia) even think the e5500 to actually be what was
    >> announced as e700 in 2004.

    > Answer from Preet Virk, strategic marketing director for Freescale's
    > Networking Processor Division:
    > "The e5500 is [...] unrelated to a previously mentioned e700 family"
    > http://blogs.freescale.com/2010/06/23/what%e2%80%99s-up-with-64-bit-embedded-computing/#comment-292

    Wikipedia has been changed recently to reflect this. The statements

    "Freescale have used the e700 and NG-64 monikers to refer to this core since 2004."
    and
    "The former codename for what probably was to be this product."
    and
    "It was eventually revealed as the e5500 core."

    ...have been changed to

    "Freescale have used the e700 and NG-64 monikers to refer to a very similarly speced core since 2004, but they are not the same product"
    and
    "Freescale eventually released the e5500 core but it was not the same core even though they are very similarly speced."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_e5500
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_e700
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    Update:

    >> I have not read up on which PPC platforms AROS has been ported to

    > So far, AROS for PPC runs natively only on Efika 5200B and Sam440.

    Seems it's being worked on for Sam460ex as well:

    http://gitorious.org/aros/aros/commits/sam460
    http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=72012#forumpost72012
    http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=72034#forumpost72034


    Edit: Added links to aros-exec.org postings.

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 01.08.2012 - 18:17 ]
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    What's the fastest T1?
    What core is to used in T2-T4?
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    > What's the fastest T1?

    The only one announced so far:

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7001&start=736

    > What core is to used in T2-T4?

    "e6500 core running up to 2.5 GHz (T2-T5 families)"
    http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?code=QORIQ_AMP_SERIES
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    Update:

    > There's also another error in there, as it reads "P3080" where it should read "P3060"

    P3060 cancelled:

    https://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/linuxppc-dev/2012-July/099047.html
    http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2012-July/127806.html
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    >> bPlan are very close to finishing Aura development on the EfikaMX, thus providing
    >> an high level abstraction to the devices/drivers of the device in an OS-agnostic way.
    >> Of course, an appropriate Linux kernel is also developed at the same time.

    > Thanks for the clarification Konstantinos. So, what Genesi/bPlan/Pegatron are doing
    > is making a new computer and custom operating system. Well, almost... But in many
    > regards, it is. Once done, it's all a matter of convincing the world to write kernels for Aura.

    According to Genesi's statement from June 2011, they are more successful than IBM in this regard at least:

    "Genesi also possess the proprietary technology, "Aura." Competitors like IBM have worked diligently and spent substantial amounts of time and capital to replicate Aura. However, until this date, they have not been able to succeed in that endeavor."
    http://www.genesi-tech.com/cache/baylor/China.pdf (page 20)

    Does anybody have any information about IBM's alleged unsuccessful endeavour to "replicate Aura"?
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    Update:

    >> when I discussed PPC based systems with the owner of Varisys
    >> (the designers of the X1000 motherboard) I got this response:
    >> "In terms of PPC we are thinking QorIQ here for higher end designs."

    > Apparently, they've started to follow suit:
    > "XMC/PMC [...] VM400 (XMC) QorIQ Pxxxx"
    > "COM Express [...] VPX1 QorIQ P1022"
    > "PC104 [...] MC104PRQ QorIQ P2022"
    > http://www.varisys.co.uk/products.html

    The VM400 has now been revealed as:

    "XMC/PMC VM400 (XMC) QorlQ P3041/5020"
    https://www.box.com/index.php?rm=box_download_shared_file&file_id=f_3209347735&shared_name=si8iwtiq2ag3oyykkqvb (page 9)

    PDF file seems to be 4 months old but was apparently publicly released only now.
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    Update:

    > T1022 seems to be next (maybe it has a DIU like the P1022)

    T1020 and T1022 announced:

    http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1743554
    http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=T1020

    And indeed they seem to come with a DIU (just like the also newly announced T1040 and the previously announced T1042 do):

    http://www.freescale.com/files/graphic/block_diagram/T1020_T1022_BD_IMG.jpg
    http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact_sheet/T1FAMILYFS.pdf
    http://www.freescale.co.jp/event/ftfj/2012/technicalsession/pdf/FTF12_NET_F0635_Matt_rev2-180.pdf (pages 10 to 14)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyU3VUT2Vpc


    Edit: T1023 mentioned with block diagram and specs in http://www.freescale.com/files/training/doc/dwf/DWF13_APF_NET_T0809.pdf (page 12)

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 26.11.2013 - 22:41 ]
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    Update:

    > "e6500 core running up to 2.5 GHz (T2-T5 families)"
    > http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?code=QORIQ_AMP_SERIES

    ...has been changed (somewhen between October 4th and today*) to:

    "e6500 core running up to 1.8 GHz (T2-T4 families)"

    No mention of T5 anymore. What gives?


    * Edit:
    The Wayback Machine link now shows the site on October 7th already having been without mention of the T5. Thus, the removal of the T5 must have happened somewhen between October 4th and October 7th.

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 28.10.2012 - 21:29 ]
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    Andreas_Wolf,
    Quote:

    "e6500 core running up to 1.8 GHz (T2-T4 families)"

    No mention of T5 anymore. What gives?


    Bitterly disappointing.
    With a clear lead, it appears that PPC manufacturers could eventually see their products outperformed by ARM Socs.

    The T4 is neat, but its got too many cores and too low a clock speed.

    [ Edited by Jim 16.10.2012 - 00:50 ]
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    >> No mention of T5 anymore. What gives?

    > Bitterly disappointing.

    Let's not jump to conclusions here. I didn't mean to imply that the T5 was cancelled. I guess we'll have to see if Freescale will follow through with their announcement or if the QorIQ T5 will suffer the same fate as the MPC75xx and MPC87xx.

    > With a clear lead, it appears that PPC manufacturers could
    > eventually see their products outperformed by ARM Socs.

    ...from their very own production (Freescale's QorIQ LS1, Applied Micro's X-Gene, LSI's ARM-based Axxia), that is.
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    Update:

    > Seems it's being worked on for Sam460ex as well:
    > http://gitorious.org/aros/aros/commits/sam460
    > http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=72012#forumpost72012
    > http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=72034#forumpost72034

    AmiWest 2012 news:

    "We will be demonstrating AROS v1 on the Sam460 (native)"
    http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=711924
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    Andreas_Wolf,
    Quote:

    "We will be demonstrating AROS v1 on the Sam460 (native)"
    http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=711924


    Where this could prove interesting is in 3D support on newer Nvidia video cards.
    I'll have to contact AmigaDave and see if Samuel Crow really does demo this.

    Its not MorphOS and the Sam460 has a pretty weak CPU, but newer, more powerful video cards with OpenGL support?
    Gotta find out more.
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    From AmigaDave at Amiwest, today:

    "Not sure why there would be so excited about anything running on the SAM460ex, since it is still over priced and under powered, but Jason McMullan has confirmed that he does have AROS running on his SAM460ex and will be showing it tomorrow during the show. He will be leaving after his presentation on Sunday morning to go home."

    So, I guess, more news tomorrow...
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    > I guess, more news tomorrow...

    Indeed:

    http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=news&id=108
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    Indeed


    Well, we have an official announcement.
    No word from David as to how to demo went, but I think his initial assessment is probably correct.
    Acube hardware is underpowered.
    Why would you run AROS on an expensive Acube board, only to have it seriously outperformed by cheaper X86 hardware?
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    > Why would you run AROS on an expensive Acube board, only to have it
    > seriously outperformed by cheaper X86 hardware?

    I have no idea :-)
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    Jim wrote:,
    Quote:

    From AmigaDave at Amiwest, today:

    "Not sure why there would be so excited about anything running on the SAM460ex, since it is still over priced and under powered, but Jason McMullan has confirmed that he does have AROS running on his SAM460ex and will be showing it tomorrow during the show. He will be leaving after his presentation on Sunday morning to go home."

    So, I guess, more news tomorrow...



    Jason ended up giving his AROS presentation on the SAM460ex on Saturday, instead of Sunday, so he did not even set up his computers on Sunday, and he left to go to the airport around 10:30am on Sunday. I over slept on Sunday, after initially waking up at around 6:30am I fell back to sleep and did not wake up until 5 minutes until 10am, so I almost missed even saying goodbye to Jason McMullan on Sunday morning.

    To be honest, I was so busy with people interested in MorphOS3.1, winning raffle prizes (I think I won 4, or 5 out of the possible 8 to 10 raffle prizes during both days by giving the SACC club a $20.00 donation to support their work in putting on the AmiWest Show each year), and trying to look around at all of the different display tables and buying a couple of things from Matthew & AmigaKit (I hate to see Matthew pack up much gear that he had shipped over to sell during the show), as I never want Matthew to bring Amiga gear over with him and have me not buy something from him before he returns to Wales and has to ship his remaining stock that did not sell during the AmiWest Show.

    I only had a quick look at AROS running native on the SAM460ex, and the only thing I noticed was that Jason McMullan had not yet completed work on the video driver so that the resolution he was running at was not optimal for the monitor he had borrowed from one of the other people attending the 2012 AmiWest Show. I did not realize that Jason was not going to set up his display at all on Sunday, because his original plan was to do his presentation on Sunday and then leave for the airport to catch his flight home. I wish I had taken a closer look at the demonstration of AROS native on the SAM460ex, so I could answer some of your questions regarding it.

    I don't want to offend all of the people who have purchased a SAM460ex with my comment that Jim quoted from my email to Jim, after he had indicated that many posters on the MorphZone.org forum were interested in the Native AROS demonstration that was rumored that Jason was going to do during some part of the 2012 AmiWest Show (Jim, that is twice now that you have copy and pasted part of a private comment between me and yourself into a public forum).

    Although I stand by what I wrote to you, I don't want people taking it out of the context of my perception that not many people who post on the forums of MorphZone.org would own a SAM460ex, as it does not run any version of MorphOS, so only AmigaOS4.x users would use a SAM460ex, and there are not many people who run AmigaOS4.x exclusively posting comments on a MorphOS Centric public forum. I can easily understand why people who already own a SAM460ex (which by the way has adequate power to run AmigaOS4.1.5 at an acceptable speed, or maybe even at a fast speed, but it woud depend on what you are comparing it to, as there are only a limited number of computers that can run AmigaOS4.1.5 and the SAM460ex is perhaps the 2nd fastest new computer you can purchase, or the 3rd fastest available computer over all if you consider all current and past computer designs that can run AmigaOS4.1.5 on today.

    Comparing computers that can run AmigaOS4.1.5 with other computers which are not capable of running AmigaOS4.1.5, makes no sense. It is like comparing a Ferrari with a pick-up truck. Only the truck is capable of carrying over 1,000 pounds of cement bags down a dirt road to a construction site without damaging itself, so it serves it's specific purpose well. Running AROS on the SAM460ex does not make any sense, UNLESS the person already owns a SAM460ex to run AmigaOS4.1.5 and he just wants to explore what running AROS is like, just like many X1000 owners are curious about how well their X1000 can run Linux, so a few smart guys with X1000's have taken the time and expended the effort to write, or modify existing Linux kernels, so they can boot many different versions of Linux on their X1000 computers, but I doubt that any Amiga users have purchased their X1000 computers only for running Linux on them, just as I strongly doubt that any MorphOS3.1 users will purchase a SAM460ex so they can run AROS native, instead of buying an x86 PC to run AROS Natively at many times the speed of a SAM460ex.

    Jason McMullan already owned a SAM460ex and his programming skill set is ideal for writing AROS drivers, from what I can tell, after spending just a short time with him on Friday evening and a little time while we were setting up his AROS demonstration and I was setting up the many computers I use each year to demonstrate MorphOS, with the addition of my X1000 this year, that was sharing my table space with all the MorphOS3.1 computers.

    Sorry for the long explanation, but I did not want my quoted comment about the SAM460ex to be misunderstood, without the context I was using to base my comment on fully explained. When you discuss AROS running native on the SAM460ex, you naturally must consider other platforms that can also run AROS. The same discussion is very different when you are talking about computers that are capable of running AmigaOS4.1.5. Since I own, use, and promote all flavors of the Amiga experience, including all of the Classic Amiga computer models, so I never want any of my comments used out of context, which is why I have written such a long explanation here.

    Perhaps Jim also misunderstood my comment, as I did not write it out clearly within my email to him, which was short and did not include any long explanation, but I thought he would understand, since I believe it was this forum he was referring to, when he made the initial comment about people being very interested in the rumor of Jason McMullan demonstrating AROS Native on the SAM460ex.

    [ Edited by amigadave 24.10.2012 - 04:50 ]
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    Addendum:

    >> he instead announced that he is moving forward with more new computers
    >> from A-Eon with Varisys as his partner and AmigaKit was also joining him
    >> as a partner to produce new AmigaOne computers.

    > True, he specifically said that they contracted Varisys to develop three new products,
    > one of which will be an XCore processor card. I guess the remaining two will be
    > standalone PPC boards for running OS4.

    "we learned a bunch of things this year, including news on two systems coming from A-EON"
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=35667&forum=16&start=380#685510
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    Not sure why David would feel compelled to make such a long explanation.
    Frankly, I'm baffled at the idea of running AROS on an expensive PPC when there is already a more mature, faster X86 version.
    Sure the SAMs don't run MorphOS, but since they do run OS4.1 I'm not sure why Jason would want to expend this much energy on this.

    Mind you, this is solely MY opinion, but as AROS is freeware designed to run on relatively low cost hardware, focusing on X86 and ARM makes more sense to me.

    Since MorphOS and OS4 are commercial products, I can justify spending slightly more on the hardware needed to run them.
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    Andreas_Wolf,
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    Addendum:

    >> he instead announced that he is moving forward with more new computers
    >> from A-Eon with Varisys as his partner and AmigaKit was also joining him
    >> as a partner to produce new AmigaOne computers.

    > True, he specifically said that they contracted Varisys to develop three new products,
    > one of which will be an XCore processor card. I guess the remaining two will be
    > standalone PPC boards for running OS4.

    "we learned a bunch of things this year, including news on two systems coming from A-EON"
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=35667&forum=16&start=380#685510


    Curious.
    Trevor mentioned months ago that he and Paul Gentle's firm were working on at least a couple projects.
    But I don't think he's revealed too many of the details yet.
    Considering that Paul mentioned an interest in Qorlq processor to me about two years ago, and considering the remarkable developments within those product lines, one can only wonder what those fellows are up to.
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    > Curious.

    Why? 2 new systems plus 1 new XCore card amounts to 3 new products. So I'd say that this year's statement is very much coherent with last year's statement.

    > Trevor mentioned months ago that he and Paul Gentle's firm were working
    > on at least a couple projects.

    True, and 3 is a couple, isn't it?

    > Considering that Paul mentioned an interest in Qorlq processor to me about
    > two years ago, and considering the remarkable developments within those
    > product lines, one can only wonder what those fellows are up to.

    ...and not to forget considering this:

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7001&start=745

    I can imagine that Varisys base the Nemo successor(s) on their VM400 product, which would mean that the 2 new A-Eon systems could be a cheaper lower end system with P3041 chip running at, say, 1.2 GHz, and a more expensive higher end system with P5020 chip at 2.2 GHz, all using the same basic board design thanks to the pin compatibility of the chips. And if they want to avoid the awkward situation where the lower end board has a higher core count than the higher end board, they can very well use the pin-compatible 4-core P5040 chip running at up to 2.4 GHz instead of the P5020.
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