A) Dream on :)

B) "There's no Ralph Schmidt without bbrv"

I would add:

C) Go for some open-source solution. But again it seems impossible as most mos developers would prefer to die than showing a single line of source-code... even if it could save MorphOS.

Anyway, whatever solution you propose, some (all ?) mos developers will have to make compromises which doesn't appear to be possible... A lot of (ex) developers must have tried to convinve them before leaving...

Leo.

@Velcro_SP
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Ambient license has exception about this: Namely apps using the GPL shared libraries (icon.library, workbench.library and wbstart.library) don't need to be GPL.

README, see License section.

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No, I don't think it is. Anyway, even if it was, it would still be ok due to the exceptions set by David himself.

[ Edited by Piru on 2005/4/23 8:47 ]

That's irrelevant as Ambient is not linked into MorphOS. It's just
another application. There are already tons of GPL applications for
MorphOS, this is no problem at all.

Aside from Ambient you can of course also run the old Amiga Workbench
(emulated), DOpus Magellan (emulated), ScalOS (native). Another native
option, Nemesis, is in development.


Leo: Which "lot of" developers leaving are you talking about, here? I
have not followed MorphOS since the first days, but it seems to me
that for everyone leaving, there has been two others joining (this
also seems to be the case with David leaving.. yes, he's a good
programmer, but no one is irreplaceable).

Well I dont know what to say about all of it. They all knew Genesi was
a startup and didnt have a lot of money, yet they still did the work.
Its the way it is. I bet if they took it as things should get better
down the road we would have a much better product now. Genesi is
moving far ahead and things are getting better. Its a shame he wouldnt
have waited. Being young does that to you and I can see his point, but
I dont agree with it or the way he executed it.

@merko:

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Ah, I don't think that is really a supportable position. You might as well say the JIT or MUI are just some other applications, but these are embedded, integral components.

I welcome those other desktop projects but none of them can deliver all the stuff Ambient delivers, and none of them can replace Ambient, and none of them are as good as Ambient at this time.

And that's enough out of me.

@Acill: there must be problems that were related to the "startup" status of Genesi. But most problems (which have lead to the current status and the content of David's interview) are not in any way acceptable: be it a startup or a multi-billion company.

Leo.

For the JIT, you're probably right.

For MUI, it's quite different though. It's linked to in many ways
throughout MorphOS, such as intuition and of course all the various
system applications such as preferences.

As for Ambient being better, that's quite subjective. I know a lot of
people who seem to think that one or several of the other alternatives
are better than Ambient at the moment. In this discussion all that is
relevant, however, is that there is nothing *technical* that prevents
either of these systems from doing everything that Ambient does
(better or worse). There is no behind-the-scenes-magic that somehow
puts Ambient in a special position.

You could compare IE on Windows, where it was (correctly) argued that
you couldn't easily replace it because it was entangled into the rest
of Windows - this is not so with Ambient/MorphOS.

I agree with you that many of the things that happened were not
acceptable, and I disagree with Acill that David should just have
waited some more.

But I don't think this justifies lashing out against MorphOS and the
MorphOS team, such as by kidnapping the MorphOS domains.

@Acill

The problem is that Genesi promised to pay many times. At some point you cant wait any longer.

Gerber quitted and never comes back. Period.

Why do you say Ambient copyrights are owned by Zapek? Are you sure about that? It seems to me to be the whole point here.

alfie

@ Acill

Well, one could think they were kind of naive. Bu I think one cannot
blame someone for being naive.

I think this interview is kind of interesting and it is one part of
the truth. A lot of glass bas been broken. But it's not the end. Zapek
is disappointed which is quite understandable and has
developed some negative attitude now (but he was still positive enough to open Ambient - thanks for that).

But the future of MOS is not too bad IMO and the fortune of MOS is
in several hands, a lot is in ours. I do not like the idea of making
MOS open source (there is AROS already).
MOS has still chances within the embedded world, I hope that Laire
will succeed with MOS for the mobileGT.
Noone should think that MOS will go mainstream in a middle future, but
I still believe that it has the potential to settle for a vital niche.

Most important for a success is we get some more features! Namely the
most important things are a native TCP/IP and a good Browser.

Just my 2 ct

What about some real translation? Google translations sucks... I don't know french, I was learned little french in school but not enough for understand complex texts...

http://www.shish.org/files/ob50-itwgerber.html

Here we are for a quick English translation: http://nogfx.free.fr/morphos/ob50-itwgerber-EN.html

It's far from being perfect but should be better than the Google one... Be sure to read the first notes at the beginning of the interview...

Leo.

Thanks Leo.

Thanks Leo!