The PowerMac and Powerbook offer a very viable and affordable path. I own a 1.67 Powerbook, a 2.7 GHz PCIX, and a 2.5GHz PCIe (converted a 2.0 GHz, single processor). They all have fast SSD or m2.nvmes, with all the cache settings and optimizations out there for speeding up Wayfarer and for most of the browsing I do it works just perfectly. There are a few websites that it crawls on and I just use other systems for those sites.

My main powermac is the 2.5 and I used it daily with 2 27 inch monitor for my old eyes and it works perfectly for iris, pagestream, polyorga, vpdf, and a ton of other programs I use daily on it. The response for everything is almost instantly and provides a perfect experience for what I use it for. The 2.7 plays very dense 1080p media (15 GB files across the NAS).

The 2.7's need to be converted to heatsinks from any other pcix system (2.3 or slower).

To my knowledge the Powermacs are still overall the fastest option you can buy to run MorphOS and hardware is very plentiful still. They are always on ebay and see them also all the time on craigslist/facebook.

It would be nice to have a faster, more modern option sure and when the day comes, MorphOS will continue to be developed and offer more that any other Amiga flavor option by a very great bunch of guys that have been great to work with over the last 20+ years and have very consistently updated and supported their product. This alone makes this offering VERY unique and stand out. These guys are quietly coding away on 3.19, which I am very grateful for...

To me doesn't make sense to not use a great solution because the hardware is older, especially one as good and capable as this one. I just retired my main pc laptop that was over 10 years old and it still did a fine job for me, so always having the latest isn't really necessary for me. I read a blog a bit ago where some amiga user who actively used 4.x on PPC hardware said he didn't like MorphOS because the updates were too incremental. That was a head scratcher moment for me to say the least, clearly he didn't give MorphOS a chance where if he did I'm sure he would have been more of the opinion of most MorphOS users I know...

ok, maybe powermac is a good solution for you, not for the future, but for me is a bad solution.
I think it's time to move forward and plan the future

At the moment I don't want to buy an old pc from 2006 (17 years) and think it might fit me, because.. it doesn't fit.

I need a development plan from morphos otherwise for me it remains a retro gaming and a retro arcade

powerpc is more powerfull now
still in développement

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I totally understand your sentiment.

The MorphOS Team isn't in the habit releases a statement or a promise until it is almost a 100% done deal. I get why they do that certainly, but it will limit what they are willing to tell us on the future roadmap.

If space is an issue, the PowerBooks are really incredibly good. For most things they are just as fast as the powermacs and take up a small foot print, and you can drive another monitor for multiple screens.

I use MorphOS daily for work and don't game on it. The productivity programs are really quite good on it, a base install gives you most items already. For work it is really a joy for me to use. For the few items I may need something more, the Docker on my NAS works fine and wayfayer can access it no problem.

I really agree in that new hardware would be really cool, but I'm not going to let that interfere with what I have right now...

I do wish you well on your Amigaland journey!

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A roadmap would require to assign certain tasks to individual developers who then are expected to work x hour/week on that issue.

Reality is, it is all a hobby project and a developer might work anywhere from 0 to 50 hours on any given week.


That is before some loosing interest or rage-quitting over minor BS.


-> MorphOS on AMD might happen next year, it might happen in 10 years or never at all.

I always thought of MorphOS as a small or part time company that the managers have a good time working there.

Hobby to me has implied limited response, ott promises, or low expectations.

MorphOS has been like interacting with a business that cares about it's product.

Given the fact the team has been together for 20 years, is damn impressive.

They also chose wisely (like in the Last Crusade :)) not to mess with hardware and to just focus on the OS, now with maybe 30 + releases of the OS, I would say that choice bore fruit.

If I was a millionaire I would buy these guys a Lambo or something, they really deserve it. All the countless hours of work and they keep out of all the typical Amiga politics and keep plugging away. They don't get NEAR the credit they deserve.

You guys rock!

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Absolutely! I'm following the whole Amiga scene, including OS4 and "Classic" but the only real and professional work that came out so far was from MOS team. That's why I bought 2 MOS licenses and none of the other ones :).

MOS team deserves all the praise they can get.

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Good points!

The OS has become an App rich environment...

If you think about it with a 5 minute OS install, you get not only a great OS experience, but email, web browser, pdfs, burning and ripping tools, multiple media players, and a bunch of other things I'm not thinking of.

Heck, trying getting email on any other Amiga(like) system now and it is impossible. Iris with a base install works perfectly and they will continue to add features and functionality. Crazy, now that I think about it.



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But it's easy to solve your request, put 2-5 million euros on the table, and the MorphOS team will surely create the operating system for what you want.

I think that you're writing apologies because you don't want to spend a lot of money, you want a Linux.
MorphOs on PowerPC it is functional not a simple art like others operative systems, example Haiku, QNX, etc.

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Do you know where I can find a X5000/40?

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Besides praise, I recommend donations. Even small ones so they can buy a bottle of wine or something.

I have made a few donations in the last year or so to a few on the team, they really deserve it.

The quality of the product and what it can do, speaks volumes...

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> Do you know where I can find a X5000/40?

https://www.relec.ch/fr/produit/amigaone-x5000-limited-edition/
http://www.ggsdata.se/index-en.php?page=Datorer/amiga-en.php

Admittedly, those two vendors who claim to have the X5000 or its mainboard in stock both describe it as being the X5000/20, but as Trevor and Matthew said last year that all then-future X5000/20 orders will be automatically switched to X5000/40 (bar old stock, of course), it may be that the descriptions are just outdated. Sending an email and asking can clarify I'm sure.

> powerpc is more powerfull now

Unfortunately, MorphOS doesn't run on those powerful Power(PC)s.

> with a 5 minute OS install, you get [...] multiple media players

Anything beside Jukebox?

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PlayMidi. :)

perhaps acube make a powerpc morphos portable compatible but not sure

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Thanks

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Amedia France also offer X5000/40 systems.

https://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2023-06-00064-EN.html

>>> powerpc is more powerfull now

>> Unfortunately, MorphOS doesn't run on those powerful Power(PC)s.

> perhaps acube make a powerpc morphos portable compatible but not sure

ACube are in the process of realizing the Powerboard Tyche, which the MorphOS team may port MorphOS to once it's been finished, or they may not. One of the problems is that by today's standard, the Power(PC) of that board (e6500-based T2080) can not really be considered powerful, also compared to that other Power(PC) MorphOS currently doesn't run on (POWER9).