Crowdfunding for TALOS Workstation
  • Caterpillar
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    xilinder
    Posts: 39 from 2018/2/1
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    ernsteiswuerfel wrote:
    Looks very good!

    The mATX form factor assures that it will be much easier to find a suitable (and cheap) case. :-) Also a big improvement are the onboard SATA-connectors. On the other Talos variants you have to check first if your PCIe SATA card (in case your don't want to pay $ 300 for the onboard SAS-controller) is actually supported in the Petitboot-kernel if you want to boot from SATA.

    I have the onboard SAS-controller and I use SATA drives on the SAS inputs. The speed of the drives is only slower by a marginal amount compared to a SAS hard drive. This thing is just blistering fast, and although the fans run at full speed during the boot cycle, the machine is whisper quiet during operation.
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    Zylesea
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    ernsteiswuerfel schrieb:
    Looks very good!

    The mATX form factor assures that it will be much easier to find a suitable (and cheap) case. :-) Also a big improvement are the onboard SATA-connectors. On the other Talos variants you have to check first if your PCIe SATA card (in case your don't want to pay $ 300 for the onboard SAS-controller) is actually supported in the Petitboot-kernel if you want to boot from SATA.


    This would be cool, could bring life again to my quite liked cooler Master atc 620 case which currently still houses the retired peg1 and is just coollecting dust AT the attic.
    But needs a certain os of course to attract me.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    ernsteiswuerfel
    Posts: 545 from 2015/6/18
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    A very interesting side effect from the Talos II development is the quite big effort of porting Chromium to ppc64 klick. Albeith it seems most of this is LE stuff.
    Talos II. [Gentoo Linux] | PMac G5 11,2. PMac G4 3,6. PBook G4 5,8. [MorphOS 3.18 / Gentoo Linux] | Vampire V4 SA [ApolloOS / Amiga OS 3.2.2]
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > porting Chromium to ppc64 [...] is LE stuff.

    Yes, and it's way less effort because the Chromium sources are LE-specific in many places. However, there's also an effort to port to big-endian PPC64:

    https://wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Porting/Chromium/BE
  • »06.10.18 - 15:34
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    ernsteiswuerfel
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    Thanks Andeas_Wolf! It was only one klick away and I did not realize it. ;-) Hmm, this might come from the TenFourFox or Adelie Linux corner? The still have the focus on ppc BE.
    Talos II. [Gentoo Linux] | PMac G5 11,2. PMac G4 3,6. PBook G4 5,8. [MorphOS 3.18 / Gentoo Linux] | Vampire V4 SA [ApolloOS / Amiga OS 3.2.2]
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > this might come from the TenFourFox or Adelie Linux corner?

    MarcusC is Marcus Comstedt, who is an old Amiga acquaintance.

    > The still have the focus on ppc BE.

    Adelie Linux does, yes. Cameron Kaiser on the other hand, while still doing big-endian work for TenFourFox on OSX/PPC for obvious reasons, is focussing on little-endian for his Linux/POWER9 work.
  • »07.10.18 - 19:46
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    bennymee
    Posts: 132 from 2004/4/14
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    Phoronix did some benchmarking with the Talos 2 and IBM Power 9:


    Raptor Talos II POWER9 Benchmarks Against AMD Threadripper & Intel Core i9

    https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=power9-threadripper-core9&num=1
  • »09.11.18 - 12:18
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  • Caterpillar
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    xilinder
    Posts: 39 from 2018/2/1
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    Ubuntu, hm. I had Ubuntu 18.10 on my T2 and it was not ready for prime time on this machine.
    Fedora and Debian seem to have spent more time on the system and not the fluff. Work continues I'm sure.
  • »09.11.18 - 13:24
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 167 from 2004/1/6
    We are looking into 1800 Euro for a complete system? That's nearly X5000 territory.
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > That's nearly X5000 territory.

    Yes, but coming with:
    - CPU: 5 to 10 times faster per core (estimated and depending on task)
    - PCIe: two generations ahead
    - RAM: one generation ahead
    - SATA: one generation ahead, two ports more
    - USB: one generation ahead
    - GbE: two ports more
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  • ASiegel
    Posts: 1369 from 2003/2/15
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    Everblue wrote:
    We are looking into 1800 Euro for a complete system? That's nearly X5000 territory.

    Hardware being sold at around the 2000 EUR mark is not unusual per se, though. The entry level Apple iMac Pro with an 8-core Xeon CPU starts at 5000 EUR, for instance.

    The question is whether you are content with the offered performance level and available software options.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Everblue
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    "The question is whether you are content with the offered performance level and available software options."

    That is exactly the point. Despite I would love to use both for everyday tasks neither MorphOS nor AmigaOS have the necessary software. I appreciate that these are hobbyist operating systems, but €2000+/- is too much for most people. Case in point, despite having a low-spec CPU and the wrong FPU many people are still looking forward for the A1222 just because of the affordable price point.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Everblue
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > That's nearly X5000 territory.

    Yes, but coming with:
    - CPU: 5 to 10 times faster per core (estimated and depending on task)
    - PCIe: two generations ahead
    - RAM: one generation ahead
    - SATA: one generation ahead, two ports more
    - USB: one generation ahead
    - GbE: two ports more


    Very true. But which current software available on MorphOS would make full use of these specs? Same thing with the Amiga OS running on the X5000.
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    >> - CPU: 5 to 10 times faster per core (estimated and depending on task)
    >> - PCIe: two generations ahead
    >> - RAM: one generation ahead
    >> - SATA: one generation ahead, two ports more
    >> - USB: one generation ahead
    >> - GbE: two ports more

    > which current software available on MorphOS would make
    > full use of these specs?

    These use cases come to my mind right away:

    CPU: web browsing, HD video decoding, emulation
    SATA: connection of more than 2 devices
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Everblue wrote:
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > That's nearly X5000 territory.

    Yes, but coming with:
    - CPU: 5 to 10 times faster per core (estimated and depending on task)
    - PCIe: two generations ahead
    - RAM: one generation ahead
    - SATA: one generation ahead, two ports more
    - USB: one generation ahead
    - GbE: two ports more


    Very true. But which current software available on MorphOS would make full use of these specs? Same thing with the Amiga OS running on the X5000.



    Every browser.
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  • Butterfly
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    outlawal2
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    Sooo your sales pitch is we should all buy a $2000 machine for browsing?

    Sorry folks, but this is purely hobbyist land here, so the prices can't be that exorbitant if you wish to survive. As stated earlier, the whole reason everyone is excited about the Tabor is the fact that it is finally a piece of OS4 hardware with a somewhat reasonable price.

    I might be interested if all of the abovementioned features were fully utilized with MorphOS but they aren't. And even if they were and this machine would be awesome, there still needs to be more software available before people would start looking at it as a replacement for Windows, MAC or Linux..

    A reasonably priced machine that can be used for OS4 and MorphOS is really the way to go, as it would open a market of new users to the fold. Then maybe developers would start developing apps and then more powerful machines could be built and sold.

    Trying to sell the pinnacle machine first is a recipe for failure..
    Small steps and coordination is what is needed.. (And asinine litgation to stop for Gods sake)
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    bennymee wrote:
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    Everblue wrote:
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > That's nearly X5000 territory.

    Yes, but coming with:
    - CPU: 5 to 10 times faster per core (estimated and depending on task)
    - PCIe: two generations ahead
    - RAM: one generation ahead
    - SATA: one generation ahead, two ports more
    - USB: one generation ahead
    - GbE: two ports more


    Very true. But which current software available on MorphOS would make full use of these specs? Same thing with the Amiga OS running on the X5000.



    Every browser.




    Come on, I need a 2000 euro machine to use a browser?
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > I need a 2000 euro machine to use a browser?

    No, but the result of using a demanding website or web app on a POWER9-based system vs. using it on an X5000 or even slower system (without JavaScript JIT in both cases) may surprise you. Price of Blackbird and the X5000 will be similar, but performance will be worlds apart.
  • »21.11.18 - 14:33
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Everblue
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    Yes I understand that there is big difference but the price is still exorbitant. Hopefully these will be popular enough for the price to come down or MorphOS x86 to happen.
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > there still needs to be more software available before people would
    > start looking at it as a replacement for Windows, MAC or Linux..

    I don't see a possible MorphOS port to Blackbird as a means to make people switch from Windows, macOS or Linux to MorphOS, but simply as a nice opportunity for people who want to run MorphOS anyway and who are ready to pay such price for a MorphOS system (with the possibility to also run Linux) but want a better price-performance ratio than offered by the X5000. I'm fully aware that this is a very small group of people :-)

    > Trying to sell the pinnacle machine first is a recipe for failure..

    You mean Raptor should have made/sold Blackbird first and Talos II after this?

    > asinine litgation to stop for Gods sake

    Fortunately this doesn't really harm MorphOS :-)
  • »21.11.18 - 16:13
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > Hopefully these will be popular enough for [...] MorphOS x86 to happen.

    ;-)
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