Hi, I am at this time, more ready for a new computer than anytime in the past 10 years. I love my classic Amiga but don't use it hardly at all anymore. I break it out for some classic gaming fun now and again but thats about it. No room. Hate Windows. Like Mac OS. Learning more and more about Linux . But the Amiga way of things keeps coming back to mind. However, Mos1.5 is still way off it seems. So why spend all the money on a MorphBox. To own a novelty system always costs more - money isn't the only issue. Also thought about A1 but its to big and bulky. Don't want a howling tower - A1lite ok, but limited. A Peg in an Aria case looks really good.

Why buy a Peg. Can someone convince me?

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You answered your own question why.

Mac or Peg. Both are nice systems.

[ Edited by hooligan on 2004/10/27 13:31 ]

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Good question. Before Pegasos I was A1200 user and upgrading was natural. HW upgrade was reason to get in touch with Peg.


[ Edited by itix on 2004/10/27 13:33 ]

You are the only one who can convince yourself.
The pegasos is a good choice for someone who
works with amiga, that's a fact.
The pegasos is a good choice for linux when you
want a non x86 system.
MacOS can only be run in an emulation on top
of linux through MOL. Not sure if this is enough
for you. If you want full macos ... get a mac.

But if you really want a system for everything
(amiga/linux/macos) then your next system should be
a pegasos.

i don't think the previous AmigaOne boards are available anymore - especially as the Smaller micro's are about to come out.
plus the new boards have fixed various problems the older boards had.

anyway, the best way to decide is to see them in action. try to find someone who has either (or both ) and put them to the test.

I like both. but then, I like anything amiga!

good luck

Hi, wolfe.
I'll start from the end.
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No, noone can convince you but yourself. It's up to you to decide.
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As an actual Pegasos owner, I'm quite new. In fact, even though I had the opportunity to play with it various times in the past, I finally got my own up and running just yesterday night. What to say? Don't let the wait for MOS 1.5 put you off, it's really a non iussues for us, since it mainly concerns those who already had the machine for quite some time, and eagerly wait for updates. I'm having fun (went to bed at 3am, and had to wake up early to go to work this morning...) regardless of the version number. And I had less problems than I thought (in 10/15 minutes I was online with my ADSL connection - the only problem being I'm using a time limited Miami demo). Didn't experience a single crash so far (maybe I'm lucky from this POW, but believe me, I've already given enough to bad luck in this regard in the past months), and tested various programs. You can use not only MOS native applications, but there is no hassle in using 68k 3.x ones (and fast, thanks to the JIT engine), and PUP and WUP as well (and I think it's much easier than on a real classic Amiga, since you don't have to configure anything - more or less..).
I'm sure I'll eventually find something that I won't like, just it's not that time yet...
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Seeing both in action might be good. I had this opportunity more than once, and it always made me more convinced about the Pegasos. Your mileage may vary, however.

Kind regards,
Andrea

Why buy a peg ?

Well, it is cheaper. You can run plenty of OS, Mac OS under emulation as well as Windows, and Morphos, if you love your Amiga you will love it

Wolfe:

Hi! There's plenty of places in the USA that have users of both A1s and Pegasos's, so as others have suggested try finding some - no doubt your local user group will be able to help.

As for choosing a peg over an a1 - that depends if you are a developer for OS4 or not. If you are a developer and can get all the latest releases then you will be in a much better position OS4 wise than the users who bought an early-bird machine and got the last "customer-beta" version.
In case your not sure what i mean there let me explain - those people that pre-ordered an a1, or (if im not mistaken) buy one now, get an early copy of OS4 - a "fully working snapshot" of the final release shall we say. Those people who are developers or beta testers get day-to-day updates some of which are quite unstable but others which solve problems. So there's pros' and cons' to both sides.

As for the Pegasos II and 1.4.2 - you get a tried and tested machine and OS. sure - the jump from 1.4.2 to 1.5 is said to be quite a big one but 1.4.2 is fully useable and apart from a few rogue problems it all runs beautifully here (except for printing which works but is crap - but i can ethernet to the PC and print from there

So Id say you have two options - wait until the official full release of OS4 is out (by which time I imagine MOS1.5 will be out too) and then compare and contrast both systems,

Or Go for one or the other now, bareing in mind the OS4 thats out atm is working but cut-down. I dont regret going for the pegasos. however Im also impressed with the a1/os4 more and more (three of my user-group members have a1s - two of which are beta testers and so have day-to-day updates).

Its up to you.

Hope that helps somewhat. Though knowing me Ive probably confused you further

TTFN
Bifford.

Why buy a peg? Because it's a really nice hardware (PPC, PCI, USB), it has an OF and it runs MorphOS or Linux (and what will come).
I love my peg, it's not yet perfect, but it's a very nice piece of good technology.

hi wolfe

if you are here, then you have already chosen to buy a ppc platform.

what you get with pegasos:

- MorphOS which is an very amiga like OS, it has a great backward
compatibility with amiga 68k/ppc apps (thanks to the fastest 68 jit
emulation).

- the price off course, the hardware is good (designed by ex-phase5
engineers) and it usable as is, you don't need to add an additional
sound card, and an additionnal ultradma card, to have a fully
functionnal hardware.

- eventually you can run this bloated stuff called linux, and
maconlinux

no more, no less.

[ Edited by thefab on 2004/10/27 23:50 ]

Because THIS!

I'm not a sales man but If you want more info:

Go here (miscellaneous section of downloads) and download "An Introduction to MorphOS". That tells you all about MorphOS and the Superbundle*, both come with the Pegasos.

*Some info may be outdated now.

While I make this decission - what software should I download in advance to help my transition turn out smooth. I.E. internet, and other utilities.

(My Mac is on its last leg and if it dies before I get the new unit on line, well, I don't want any major foul ups.) (Also, My amiga is not really internet ready anymore)

Also - recommended hardware? Video card (3d support?), TV Card, etc. . . oh cases like Aria?

Thank you for your responses thus far. Many for, some maybe and one for A1 OS4.

Anyone use Yellow Dog?

[ Edited by wolfe on 2004/10/27 20:09 ]

@Timofonic

Hmm.. the most important advice to buy A1 seems to be "because it's an Amiga!"...

@Wolfe

BTW, incase you haven't read, I suggest going through http://www.applelinks.com/pm/more.php?id=2546_0_1_12_M

@ wolfe

If you need someone else to convince you then you don't really need it.

In addition to MorphOS 1.4.2 you need

- a texteditor
- A set of original AmigaOS3.1 disks (or better)
but you will only need:
-- Installer
-- Arexx (rx,rexxsyslib.library,rexxmast)
-- Amigaguide (Lib and datatype)
- A TCP/IP stack like Miami or Genesi (both can be found on aminet)

A good start would be the "MorphOS Value Pack"
http://www.pegasos.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=viewdownloaddetails&lid=25&ttitle=MVP_-_MorphOS_Value_Package

Hardware is a little tricky when you want 3d.
3d for sure would be Voodoo3.
Quite likely is the Radeon 7000.
The 3d for radeons is one of the things new
in MOS 1.5 so I dont know
The best card supported in 2d is AFAIK the Radeon 9200(SE).

I have it in a low profile version for my AOpen-Desktop.
It's the H340H.
Other hardware should not be required

So, how close to an "everyday user" OS is Morph? Stability?
Linux support - HW SW up to date?
M-UAE capabilities paula, aga support etc?

@wolfe

WTF M-UAE?!!!

Paula? I read some about 1.5, OS4 has a thing named Nallepud, ported or something.

AGA emulation? Not at this moment, not in MOS and OS4.

My personnal suggest for AGA/ECS/OCS software:

Buy an A500/A1200/CD32, even the latest WinUAE isnt too good with custom chip stuff related to graphics. The best OCS/ECS?AGA emulation is the real one, and AGA has "some problems" in WinUAE. Think on a amiga classic for retrocomputing purposes (games and demos) and register to WHDLoad if you choose that

I use most of my old Amiga apps on Morphos now.
I have Dopus4, IBrowse, Voyager and AWeb,
YAM for email, MiamiDX for net, Mplayer and
Frogger for video, Songplayer, Aminet Radio
for MP3, OGG etc. I find it feels very much
like a smooth fast Amiga system. I use Amigift
and MLDonkey for file sharing. Finalwriter works
also. I don't find Morphos to be disabled at all.
It's an excellent computer and only getting better. Oh, i also play super nintendo, genesis
master system, turbografx and SCUMM games.
I could go on and on, but then I would sound
like a fanatic. :)
YAAAAHOOOOOOOO!! HA,HA,HA

Problems in everyday use are lack of decent browser and word processor. VoyagerPPC and IBrowse are okayish for surfing but they dont support web standards very well. Papyrus Office is there now and it can't replace Word but is the best word processor for Amiga so far. In general software support is quite good, but everything is not available and never will.

Oh and btw VoyagerPPC is shipped with MorphOS, but there is no TCP/IP stack in MorphOS 1.4. You must use existing 68k stack (Miami or AmiTCP) to get Internet working. USB stack (Poseidon) is provided for free.

Amiga chips are not emulated in MorphOS 1.4 at all. There is UAE always.
Hope that helps.

So, basically for intense internet use Linux and MOL would be the better choice until Morphzilla . But for general OS FUN and Tinkering MORPH rules?

UAE for now will be fine for my retro fun.

I want to thank everyone for their insight. I posted a thread like this one on AmigaWorld.net to test the waters on which system to buy first.

Pegasos/Morph OS Wins.

Now I just have to learn Debian.

@wolfe

Since now you will be a traitor for the amiga cause, you will be a blue troll that likes to destroy the true amiga community! MorphOS and his users must die, the only right way is AmigaOS4 because it the the official thing! You will be banned from AW very soon and blamed for that evil act of go to the wrong choice! AMIGAOS4 GO RULE!!!!!!1111 KILL MORPHOS!!!!!!111