Greetings!

BeOS has always been PPC compatible, and being my OS of choice since many years, I wanted to know if some attempts of installation have already been tried...
I'm not yet a Pegasos user, but should this platform allow me to do everything I do now with my old x86 machine, I will surely buy one as soon as possible!
I looked around in some forums and saw that the main problem was with the Installer programs of the OSs: what's exactly the matter? Doesn't Pegasos allow CDs to boot from startup like PCs do?
I really hope to see BeOS running on it and appearing on the official list of supported OSs...

THX!

Seem development of BeOS on Pegasos was stopped some month ago, becouse Genesis and BeOS team have some disagreements.

Hi Artickfox, what were the disagreements?!

Michael Phipps has a plan he is still implementing as far as we know. We provided machines to two OpenBeOS Developers.

We will send him an email to check up on things. There will most certainly be a BeBox II eventually based on the Pegasos.

R&B

Hi, artickfox.

I think you are referring to OpenBSD, whose development has stopped on the Pegasos at version 3.5, but OpenBSD is a BSD clone/branch.
On the other hand, the development of OpenBeOS (an "open" BeOS clone) should be proceding, but we didn't have any news lately. I don't think the "original" BeOS will ever work on the Peg, since after the sale of BeInc. it has been discontinued as a desktop OS, and it's basically a dead end. There are at least two different projects to keep the BeOS spirit alive, and they are Zeta (which is targeted at x86 only and is a commercial product) and OpenBeOS (open source, free, multiplatform... and in development for the PegasosII as well!).

@RockmanX
Welcome! I'm the other italian moderator here...

@bbrv
Just seen you beat me to it!

Kind regards,
Andrea

There's a quite a few different BeOS based projects but OpenBeOS and Zeta are the biggies.

Both of those are still working on the 1.0 releases so that's where most of their efforts are going right now. Haven't spoken to them in a while but I expect you'll see both OpenBeOS and Zeta on Pegasos at some point.

Hmm...
I was into OpenBeOS development sometime ago and what I'm sure about is that we could have to wait YEARS to see it working on an x86... Just figure out the time it will take to see it on PPC!
Zeta is more likely to be seen ported soon, but Zeta IS the old BeOS so, if Zeta works, old BeOS 5 will work to!
Don't you know anything about the behaviour of bootable CDs on Pegasos? How many file systems does it support? (especially at booting time)

Hi bbrv! (Are you the CEO of Genesis? ;) ).

I listen some time ago of a OS wich development was stop becouse the development team has some disagreement with Genesis abouth Pegasos version. I was think it's BeOS, but i must confused by the short name... (so, BeOS and BSD are similar names)

Well, but OpenBeOS work well for anyday things? Is complex to use?

Apparently there is a OpenBeOS conference this weekend in Columbus, Ohio. Just spoke to Pam, Michael's wife, and we will catch up with him in the next couple of days.

R&B

OpenBeOS? Oh, you must mean Haiku.
http://www.begroovy.com/archives/000548.html

BBRV

That is fantastic. BeOs has a nice little niche market that Pegasos could extend to. It also ads nicely to the genesi technology profile that it runs on the Pegasos box..

Besides.. the type of people we would attract due to BeOs would be open to MOS as well.. Not to mention drumming up some industry buzz.

Please keep us updated on this.

magnetic

indeed beos is a must have for the platform....not only because me and others here want it but because it will draw much attentiont o the pegasos if the beos users have another ppc box......

BeOS would be nice, but I'll prefer QNX. When will we see QNX on the Pegasos?

@hitch-hiker:
Order a PPC dev-kit from QNX Software Systems. I believe it starts at about $10,000, depending on what components you need with it.


Don't confuse QNX (RTOS) with QNX Momentics.

The Pegasos will be involved the QNX BSP shortly...

There is no alternative!

R&B

[ Edited by bbrv on 2004/7/20 17:31 ]

QNX?!?! YAY!!!!!! i cant wait

by the way what the QNX BSP ?

The word is out...

Haiku!

Sounds great...Pegasos II and Haiku! (bless you!)

R&B

If you ever used the BeOS web browser NetPositive it used to give you Haiku error messages, there's dozens more of them in the system apparantly. It's quite an appropriate name to anyone who knows BeOS.

Of course some of us knew this was the new name a *long* time ago

It's fun to see that there are so many BeOS interested or involved people in the Pegasos community!
That's pretty logical: BeOS oldest slogan was something like "The Amiga done well"...
Now it has the opportunity to run on a hardware "Amiga done well"!
But again, I don't trust OpenBeOS very much... They chose a kernel that was too little for their purpose.
You didn't consider the BlueEyedOS project: a BeOS clone made up on a Linux kernel... That sounds VERY Pegasos-portable, doesn't it?

BlueEyedOS is making incedibly slow progress from what i understand...and why do u think the modified newOS kernel is to small?

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and if i remember correctly newos was built by an ex Be engineer?

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Now you'll have to explain to us the difference

QNX is the RTOS by QSSL.
Momentics is a development kit for QNX RTOS (expensive!). Available for several target achitectures (x86, arm, ppc) as well as for several development host environments (QNX, Windows).

Check it out at www.qnx.com

/me hoping to see qnx for the Peg in a not too far distant future. Just have qnx on a partition of my old PIII laptop. It is impressive but I didn't took the time to realy get familiar with it yet.

QNX is my current favorite OS I love it...it is easy enouhg to use as a decktop os and is powerfull beyond your wildest dreams.....my 1 month trail with all the developer toos is going to expire soon (tear) but after that u can use everythign but the developer tools ......such an awsome operating system i would love to see it on the peg (hint genesi hint)

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Not to me. I think microkernel operating systems are much better than the linux kernel. I'm no expert, I'm just guessing. But I prefer the modular approach to most things anyways.

If the Blue EyedOS people were interesting in porting their OS to PEgasos, I'm sure they would be in line for some pegasos developer boards to be sent to them.


[ Edited by Darth_X on 2004/7/9 11:07 ]

Well, HaikuOS is far from completion.
I think it would be better to contact the german company "Yellowtab". They brought out "Zeta". Zeta is based on BeOS R5.1 called "Dano". They bought the sources from the BeOS Developers and continued coding on BeOS. Zeta is fully compatible to BeOS R5.1 or 5.0 with BONE.
Maybe it would be a good Idea to contact them and ask if they'll port it to the Pegasos?

I talked with Bernd Kortz (lead programmer at Yellowtab) once, when he held a Zeta presentation at a demoscene-meeting organized by us, here in Hungary in 2003. I did the translation of his presentation to Hungarian. The Zeta looked great, and it did a few GUI tricks & others i've never seen before from any OS, not even from Mac OS X! He also said they know about the Pegasos, and they're thinking about a port, but it's still not sure. I don't know about it since that though, and it was more than a year ago. But maybe it's only not too easy to port.

(Ps: there was also a Pegasos presentation on that meeting... )