Pretorians.. man they are evil (I saw that in a movie one time).

But..you say MOS might be going on its way out.. Why run Linux on a PPC board when a PC board is cheaper and faster? No need to reinvent the wheel.

@TheMagicM:
Linux works better on PPC Boards, more than using it on x86. PPC processors are better in power (power and speed are not the same thing) and ... "cool computing" :)

bye

I just dont see the cost effectiveness.. my employer doesnt run PPC for Linux..we use PC mobos and quite a bit of them. 3+ghz, some dual processor.. A PPC solution is too expensive and alot of software we use/download isnt for PPC, x86 only. If MOS goes, so goes the Pegasos unless MOS developers are willing to do it for free again. Too early to tell on whats going on.. but to be the devils advocate.. this seems like a movie more then whats really going on. Why isnt this plastered all over the news, newspapers, internet etc? <sigh> sorry about not being a believer.

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I think 'cool computing' will become a growing market. At one of my last workplaces, we had a rendering farm with those dual AMD boards. The machines became unstable because of heat problems. Our air condition was too small to take care of all that produced heat. Buying a new, bigger AC would have cost a fortune as paying the power bills already were.
Here in Germany the prices for electricity are rising steadily. So, having a 3 GHz machine just to run some Office suite will become more and more a serious cost factor.

I don't see how MOS can be considered a serious alternative for those kinds of usages. MOS is a nice and promising OS for geeks and interested home users, but nothing where you can gain a huge market share atm. Maybe it will succeed in some niche markets as embedded devices or STB, but currently concentrating on the PPC+Linux way is the right thing, IMHO, to get some ROI.

ij

We do not believe any BBRV words in french forums (not my fault lol)... BBRV tell us old stories at a very good moment. If It were true, we may have heard them before and not only to take the victim role in this context.

Some research about this terrorism connection story can't be verified in any newspaper. It's probably false and if it's not, It's not the moment to tell that because nobody can trust this in such a context. I think, Genesi has taken a bad option to limit the MOS Team revendications impact.

For me, pegasos is not since I've read Genesi reactions to the current problem a great alternative to the AmigaOne. How can I evaluate the future of a solution where the first manager says such things?
Hyperion simply do false announcements to try to keep users on their plateform. They don't speak about islamic connections.
I'm a user and a custumer! To evaluate the opportunity of bying a pegasos I just want to know if MOS will continue and if Genesi is about to die. The rest isn't my (our?) problem.
I'm always waiting for an answer concerning which licence MOS is developped under?Who is owning MOS?Which components are licenced by who?

Thanx by advance for answers

Tetuzo, these things have all been documented in the French Press. This latest story is just another step in a series of progressively revealing information about Pretory and the overall situation. The VSD article is July was another example. We would be happy to email this article to you (or anyone else). Our statements about the situation here and on other boards are accurate and as complete as they can be while the investigation continues.

To be clear, MorphOS is owned by the shareholders of bplan/Genesi. The components included in the current distribution are either owned or licensed by Genesi/bplan. The release is currently locked and fully paid for through the July 2003 release. Developers that have released third party applications own the respective developments.

Genesi/bplan has passed through a difficult period, but it has not "died" and this option is currently not in consideration. What is under consideration is whether or not we continue to develop core features of MorphOS beyond the July 2003 release. We have established terms with Stefan Stuntz. We have not with David Gerber. We will not conclude an agreement with Stefan at this moment if we do not have a desktop. Further, if we do not have a target date for a 1.5 release then it does not make sense to make these license payments.

For the record, we have no intention of paying David Gerber for anything unless he re-joins the effort. We have made this clear to him, before and now.

In the meanwhile, MorphOS will be ported to other hardware targeted at the embedded market. We have potential customers interested in a MorphOS solution for this market.

Those are the facts.

May we ask who you are and what your true purpose is here?

R&B

I'll hope for the best, but won't expect the worst

Thanx for this long and very understandable (for me) answer. The situation is more comprehensive to me. Then I can introduce myself a little.

I was a amiga owner/coder some years ago and I'm very interested in buying a pegasos 2 as It's more mature than the other solution. I'm of course a debian user but my mainly goal is to use morphos.
I am not a real pure amiga fan but I have spent too much time on windows/linux that I need something new and I hope more friendly (as I remember the AmigaOS was...).

If this solution suits to me, I have some coding projects.

You can send me the article on VSD I'm curious to the email : tetuzo@wanadoo.fr . It'll also be hardly discussed on amiga-impact forum I think

[ Edited by tetuzo on 2004/11/19 14:16 ]

Article sent.

As for Debian, we expect to pop up here any day now:

http://www.debian.org/partners/

R&B

>I don't see any need to be so hostile.

Hostility takes many forms, coming to 'others' house *only* in their moment of 'grief' can be seen as hostility.

>Is up there with George W Bushes "You are either for us or against us".
Maybe, but put in a clever way . Seriously, that kind of attitude doesn't work… if you rather want to do something for your situation, being part of the problem wont do you any good, rather on the contrary, that was the point I was trying to raise.

>Would you prefer if I asked these questions on ANN?
Maybe it would make more sense there. At least there we're used to that kind of influx... Then you have PM…

Good news Debian can bring many customers. I know some people interested in a powerpc solution. They often don't know the pegasos name but has heard about this solution.

For the article, It's really a sad story but I would have like to carry money cases lol More seriously It was concerning only the french company full of corrupted people and islamic connections. Anyway It's good to have great (and safe) relations in business and I'm sure Air France need pegasos

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This makes no sense to me: Precisely, the core of MorphOS is Ralph Schmidt, which is a shareholder of bPlan/Genesi. If the continuation of core development is in question, that sounds to me like Ralph is losing interest in "his baby".

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Understood.

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Hard to swallow, to say the least. We all would be depending on David's good faith, and he is a biiiiit upset now, so...

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Wow! Newsflash! Of course, I won't be asking which manufacturer it is, but sure this is a big change in Genesi's philosophy.

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Why, exactly? It must be because of commercial reasons, as technically it makes more sense to me that the already existing Pegasos could be very well employed in this industrial environment (I don't like pluralisation?) If the allmighty Pegasos isn't up to this new task, doesn't bPlan/Genesi feel good enough to develop a new variant by themselves?

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Congratulations. It seems amazing that you can reach agreements even in this violent times for your product.

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May I ask you what do you mean by "re-joining the effort" ?

Leo.

[ Edited by Leo on 2004/11/19 16:37 ]

WOW. Owing money to someone and not paying them.. just like that deadbeat ebayer that stole my $88.

Edited by myself: took out some personal comments.

[ Edited by TheMagicM on 2004/11/19 12:38 ]

MagicM, we are sure you do not understand. We pay David for a license to his work. If we do not use his work we do not pay the license. Can you see the difference?

R&B

Yes I understand...and I was thinking that while typing. I just dont see his works as being "throw away work". He spent alot of time developing and because he has bills to pay, no money coming in, got tired of waiting along with the rest of them..decided to go public... and as retaliation you say screw 'em.. I'm not paying you and you can keep your work.

Thats not right. I talked to you via email about a year ago and I was "honored" that you took your time to reply to a peon like me. All I did was a demo for a Amiga group but you made it seem as though what I was doing was very important. That was cool.. I didnt know this was the way you treated people that actually DID work for you.

-Alex

BBRV,
Are things getting better or worse? We here in Ohio love MorphOS and it seems that everytime things start to go great, a big black cloud rains on our parade! Do you see any brake in the storm!! Are talks improving? I love MorphOS, So please do not let it DIE, if you can!! If we can do anything to help, please let us know!!

Bob

Alex and Bob, unfortunately we will have to answer your posts in a more detailed manner later. We are headed to a very important meeting and finishing the proposal.

David broke with us. We did not break with him.

More later...(sorry)

R&B

Sincerely, if Ambient is abandonated for MorphOS, I will say bye to MorphOS. Same if MUI eliminated.

So it seems that I will say bye to MorphOS soon...

I don't think the fat lady is singing just yet, timofonic. Okay, it's a setback for all of us, but don't you think there are enough talented MorphOS developers to overcome setbacks?

What's more, I don't think David wants to see MorphOS fail. Give the various parties some time, instead of having one panic attack after another in a single week.

@timofonic

Yo! Stop with all those negative waves. Negativite waves brings negativity which is bad for all. Stop all the doom and gloom. I have been listening and the fat lady isn't singing.

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Tempting, very tempting .......

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Nice definition for not paying developers... David didn´t broke anything, he just wanted the money, that you promised him.

AP, Try this instead: deliver something and get paid for it. Don't deliver it and don't get paid. We still promise him to pay him if he delivers something. Do you think what is on morphos.net is the way to get it? What about the payments we have made? What about the overall situation? This is becoming a crazy discussion. David knew what the situation was. He understood the time table.

R&B

@Timofonic

"You sucks" and "why do you said that?"

@wolfe

Kelly's heroes, right?

@Targhan

Well said

@all

Listen to Targhan