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Congratulations about the return of MUI (if it is going to happen)... Hope for MorphOS (You know I'm not a MorphOS user, but still hope all the best for the developers) that you get the things sorted out with all the other developers too... Looks like they have done a good work... Would hate to see their time wasted (and if you would decide to use something else would you still need to pay them their money)... Good luck with the negotiations.

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I am happy to hear this.

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There is conversation going on to use Scalos (here the reference) as replacement for Ambient in case everything fails. Some developers got CVS access already. So in case all fails Scalos could be a promising alternative (it's mature as well).

What needs to be made clear is that such things won't happen again. E.g. if someone complains again, backs out, or simply leaves - that his work is still part of MorphOS and allowed to be continued in development.

Ali, thanks.

No one person should be allowed to hold a group hostage, particularly when the group has individually and collectively dedicated so much effort and time to bringing MorphOS to where it is today. We are happy to hear about your investigations. Great!

In the meanwhile, the sooner people begin acting in a more normal way the sooner we can advance. There is far too much false information floating around. Watch what happens in the days and weeks ahead...

R&B (smiling again!)

P.S. We remember this desktop project. We met a very nice developer at the World of Amiga Show in the UK in the Fall of 2002 who was working on this.

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Sounds like awful lot of work and time consuming task. Plus the result, anywhere near where MOS 1.5 Ambient* is today?

* haven't seen it myself, but I'd be surprised if it's not on a completely different level compared to 1.4.3's Ambient.

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Hi, what about Dopus Magellan then as default desktop ? There is nothing better till now... MorphED was step towards good direction...why not Magellan then ? Please...

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I agree with Hooligan: we can't reinvent the wheel *again* !!!!!!!!!

Ambient is already a full desktop PPC. A lot of work has already been done on it (from what I saw with v1.29 and from what I heard from internal dev. versions)... Switching to anything else would really be *nonsense*. Don't you think we already lost enough time ?!

Leo.

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That is right... Opus Magellan II is dated on 1998... Ambient appered a few years later and is still far away from Magellan functionality...

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Mhm... having Ambient PPC is no advantage against Magellan 68k functionality ! AOS4 developers shows opposite attitude to this matter and just trying the best solutiion. I am not sure if Ambient may whenever get Magellan's level...


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That is why I wonder why not to use old good wheel and improve it instead of reinventing it again...

@BBRV
> We just finished a good discussion with Stefan and we think we can clear this issue too so this will not be a problem for MorphOS and its future.

If true this is really a good news!!

> Then we can worry about Ambient or other alternatives.

Alternatives!? Ambient has taken years to become quite enough usable (and I am referring to Ambient that "should" be present in MOS1.5 not the old one present in 1.4.2..).
Putting Ambient in the trash now and restart from another desktop manager will mean a terrible looseing of time. And it's not acceptable anymore, we already lost enough time until now.

> If not (but I think we can), MorphOS will head to the embedded markets and we will continue to develop the platform with Linux.




@dopuser
> Hi, what about Dopus Magellan then as default desktop ? There is nothing better till now...

I am a big nig Magellan fan and I already asked to port it on MorphOS a milion of times (they always answered it was too hard and not praticable..) but I wanna post a question to you:
if at the moment they have not money to pay Gerber to have Ambient on MorphOS what make you think they can have money to buy Magellan!??

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[ Edited by Miky060 on 2004/11/17 16:07 ]

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Mhm... I think all Amiga-like-OSes are strong by its OS features and software. MorphOS may be only stronger if it pick-ups the sweetest fruits from the basket on the same way as with GoldED... and I dont mean Magellan only here... especially that competition is just behind the corner: GuruMediation intends to port Magellan to AOS4... and I do not speak about "at the moment"...

If a new desktop was developed, it should use 3D acceleration just like MacOS X...

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Man, hold your horses. Ambient is not at grave yet and your discussing the features of a successor? Better go one after another.
To add also: I really doubt anyone who will develop a new desktop does not know about modern developments like quartz extreme or looking glass. Thing is all about sense, resources and ability.

Let's get the current mess sorted out first, then we can think about the next step.

/me agrees with Zylesea...again

I don't like very much these discussions... But I want to leave my honest opinion.

I like MorphOS, but never trusted is gonna be successful. The same with Amiga's promises (OS 4?). I mean, these O.S. basically are immature (tcp stack, internationalization...) and lack of important software support (browsers...). But that everybody here knows, I think. But we also know that we still like MorphOS, because it is fast and we can "play" with it (customize it). Geek stuff, I'd say

But what's running in my Peg2 24h a day? Debian Linux. The only thing that disappointed me when I got my Peg2 was the lack of the promised Debian distro. (Of coz no MorphOS would have been more disappointing, since you can't not download it freely, but for some 0.2 version for PowerUp machines...).

Nowadays, a company working with desktop machines can make money just with Windows, or even Free Software. In the embedded market, the most popular one is I-Tron. Is this ever gonna change? I don't know. One would expect Bush to lose the elections, but he did win... (buggy XP voting machines?).

In any case, I will always try the alternatives, as a computer geek I am But I am not going to "die" for them.

Conclusion. Take it easy.
Neither MorphOS is dead (i reboot on my MorphOS from time to time, and ei, it's still there! and I download new software from time to time!), neither it's development have been said to be discontinued. Even if it was discontinued, like DOpus Magellan, I'd be happy to have my copy! (I m happy I bought Magellan long ago )

Good nite!
oyasumi!

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I like Ambient, and I like Ambient being improved and evolution in better thing in each release, stopping the development of Ambient and some other things of MorphOS can me think on change of platform, maybe AmigaOS4. Stopping the development of MorphOS can me made to change to AmigaOS4.

@tmhg

It seems like the claims about non-payment go back as far as Jul 2003...which may or may not impact 1.4 right? (I seem to recall official, post Amiwest release of 1.4 for the Peg I was in September 2003?)

Anyway, my hopes for resolution went up a notch based on the hope the situation with Stefan can be resolved...hopefully bbrv not counting the chickens before they are hatched but my fingers crossed and I hope.

It seems David Gerber upset almost everyone off with his stunt, including his collegues...I still hope the bridge isn't burned for Ambient.

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And you will get Dopus Magellan PPC as default desktop there

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Reality check please.

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IIRC Dopus Magellan PPC is not going to be the default desktop... only an option - you will need to pay to get Dopus Magellan PPC on AmigaOS4... but still you will be able to get it

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AFAIK there will be no DOPUS PPC for OS4 (or at least not until they get a license). The current DOpus text listers don't work with OS4... (or that's what I've heard)...

Anyway, with DefIcons and asyncronous copy I don't think I need it much, I can live with the free Opus4...

¡¡Ese Crumb!! ;¬)

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This has been already done:

AW news post

BTW, my first post to MZ :¬)

Saluditos,

Ferrán.

They have an exclusive worldwide license already at GuruMediation

Another door closes for MorphOS. How good is Scalos?

I'm afraid no as good as Magellan... :(

@Ferry

Welcome. Sorry I don't have dancing bananas as a greeting for you.

Hope you like the balloons =)