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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
    Daff
    Posts: 243 from 2003/4/5
    In France, we have already a good e-zine/webzine about AmigaOS, MorphOS and the Pegasos : http://obligement.free.fr

    (it's the first hit when you enter "magazine morphos" on Google).

    You can read reviews of Pegasos 1, Pegasos 2, MorphOS 1.3, MorphOS 1.4, installation of PegXLin on Pegasos, using of Linux on Pegasos, transform your Pegasos into an Arcade Machine, various reviews of MorphOS software, etc.

    Plus hundred of "classic Amiga" articles.

    [ Edited by Daff on 2004/10/13 23:06 ]
    Obligement - L'Amiga au maximum
    http://obligement.free.fr
  • »13.10.04 - 21:02
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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
    Daff
    Posts: 243 from 2003/4/5
    @ James : The website is online again (but the automatic translation engine is not fully fonctionnal yet).

    Articles are here : http://obligement.free.fr/articles.php
    Obligement - L'Amiga au maximum
    http://obligement.free.fr
  • »14.10.04 - 09:28
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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
    Posts: 199 from 2004/2/9
    Daff, so bad it doens't include the latest news as Freescale relationship or MySql partenership. It looks like it's mainly oriented Morphos. The whole idea is to have a magazine covering all news about Pegasos and all distribution ;)
  • »15.10.04 - 11:08
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
    Acolyte of the Butterfly
    James
    Posts: 110 from 2004/9/26
    From: The Land of En...
    After looking at all of the names this weekend, I have decided on two of them. "Pegasos Computing" and "Pegasos Magazine."

    Update: I deleted the "Pegasos Magazine" one as I am not using that anymore. :-)

    pegasoscomputing.jpg
  • »18.10.04 - 22:39
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Posts: 979 from 2003/6/28
    And humour section by guys of WP :-)

    Pegasos power magazine?

    Cold computing? :lol:

    Pegasos world magazine? :lol:

    Pegasos planet?

    PWM (Pegasos World Magazine)?

    PPC magazine (Pegasos Power Computing Magazine)

    Pegasos Geeks? :lol:
  • »19.10.04 - 00:21
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
    Acolyte of the Butterfly
    James
    Posts: 110 from 2004/9/26
    From: The Land of En...
    :lol:

    Funny timofonic... :-D Good idea regarding the humour section - I like it.

    I have been looking at the two logos made earlier, and I must admit that the "pegasos computing" one is growing on me. :-)

    "pegasos magazine" seems too boring to me, but "pegasos computing" emcompasses everything that is "Pegasos." hehehe

    Update: I have made my decision regarding the name of the magazine. I just registered the URL pegasoscomputing.com. So "Pegasos Computing" it is! Also, I have registered the URL "morphoscomputing.com" for future purposes.
  • »19.10.04 - 00:28
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Posts: 979 from 2003/6/28
    Could be nice have it the collaboration of jobbo for the gfx tasks of the magazine ;-)

    @James

    Try changing the colours, adding effects, using background... experimenting. Sorry to say, but I think that the text logo needs some work, but I hope that you know it ;-)
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    James
    Posts: 110 from 2004/9/26
    From: The Land of En...
    This is a revised sample cover I made, but this is by no means the final version. NOTE: Again, this is not the final design!

    The text at the bottom was just put in for illustration purposes only. :-D

    * Will repost sample...
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
    Acolyte of the Butterfly
    James
    Posts: 110 from 2004/9/26
    From: The Land of En...
    Quote:


    timofonic wrote:
    Could be nice have it the collaboration of jobbo for the gfx tasks of the magazine ;-)

    @James

    Try changing the colours, adding effects, using background... experimenting. Sorry to say, but I think that the text logo needs some work, but I hope that you know it ;-)


    Note: These are only samples of my first ideas; hence, they will change. :-D

    Regarding all graphics, I will have to discuss it with André (jobbo) and see what he thinks. I would love for him to help with the graphics, because he is quite excellent in my opinion.

    This is roughly how I want the text logo to look though - just have to refine it some more. ;-)
  • »19.10.04 - 00:43
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    gary_c
    Posts: 67 from 2003/2/20
    From: Chiba, Japan
    Sorry, but to be honest I think this design falls somewhere between uninspired and downright ugly. The typeface is too generic; it's boring. The layout is 1950s. If you want to replicate a print magazine, look at the best-designed ones around, the most interesting, not the most basic and funky.

    I think the idea of the Pegasos platform is that it's something new, different, experimental, innovative, not afraid to take a chance, etc. The design of any Pegasos magazine should reflect those things. This is basically the opposite of your design example.

    BTW, why are prices indicated (placeholders)? I thought it was a free Webzine.

    About the whole idea of the magazine, I kind of agree with antibike's comment that there are already Pegasos web sites around that could do the job. If the problem for users/readers is that information isn't assembled in nice articles, that is something that web masters of our current sites probably need to think about. Maybe they need better FAQs or more tutorials, articles, etc. and better navigation to these.

    On the other hand, if there is a need for a magazine and the present Web sites don't meet it, and somebody wants to put the time into collecting information and writing it up nicely, that's OK, too. I'm not sure having a new domain for it is necessarily better than just doing it at a site that's already here. Sometimes I think Web sites are *too* easy to start up. ;-) When you're spreading a finite amount of resources around instead of aggregating it, more is not necessarily better.

    I don't think it'll have a magic platform-promoting effect, in any case. But the magazine will affect people's perception of the platform, which is why design is important. If this project is going to happen, I hope a good designer lends a hand.

    (Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I mean it as constructive criticism. It's better to get the feedback early in the process, right?) :-)

    In addition to checking out Obligement, you could also have a look at Technoids, a BeOS pdf magazine (maybe no longer published?) to get ideas about content and quality standards. (The graphic design of Technoids is rather spare -- consistent with the BeOS look -- but works well. The layout and content are very good.)

    --gary_c

    [ Edited by gary_c on 2004/10/19 12:38 ]

    [ Edited by gary_c on 2004/10/19 12:43 ]
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
    Acolyte of the Butterfly
    James
    Posts: 110 from 2004/9/26
    From: The Land of En...
    @ gary_c

    No, I don't mind the constructive advice, as I appreciate it greatly. Thanks... :-)

    These are only samples of what I want to do; they are not the final version. Keep that in mind... ;-)

    I want a magazine that is going to look nice and be quite interesting to read too, as the Pegasos community deserves that at the very least. As I have said before, this is definitely not yet finalised. Nothing is written in stone yet... :-)

    Regarding the price placeholders... I have decided that this is not going to be free, as I have to pay for the URLs and webspace/traffic, and I cannot do that for free without major pain-in-the-you-know-what hassles (such as the freedom to design your own site). It also costs money to run the computers to do all of this stuff. Also, I am also talking to someone to get a printed version made, so I will definitely have to charge for it to accommodate this along with the PDF version of the magazine. It won't be much, so don't worry. :-)

    Since many new users are coming to the Pegasos platform, I see a real need to create a magazine for them. I was planning on making the first issue free anyway, to get people to try it out. If people like it then they can subscribe for a real cheap price, or get the individual issues as they come out. I will make the first issue free for everyone - that is a promise. It will be available to anyone going to the website, so they can check the magazine out (they will have the PREMIER ISSUE for free).

    This project is going to take lots of time and resources, so it cannot realistically be free all the time.

    I registered the URLs so that they may be used for the magazine and something else I have in mind for a later date. A web site for the mag is in the future, but I have to concentrate on the magazine's design right now.
  • »19.10.04 - 02:40
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    gary_c
    Posts: 67 from 2003/2/20
    From: Chiba, Japan
    If you plan to sell the magazine, that's a very different situation than a volunteer effort.

    Personally, I don't see the point in printing it. Your audience is going to be a niche market; they are spread (sparsely) all over the globe. They already have computers, printers, and Internet access. Why bother with paper and snailmail?

    Anyway, selling the magazine instead of offering it for free opens up a whole can of worms IMHO. Whether you want to charge when others are doing much the same thing for free is up to you. Of course if the quality of the magazine justifies the price, you will have (some) customers, but keep in mind the tiny size the market, and the fact that a lot of active Pegasos users are in countries where the dollar doesn't go very far. I wonder if charging will bring in too little money to cover your costs but, on the downside, will put off people who believe such information should be available for free.

    On the supply side, contributors to commercial magazines are usually paid. Maybe you can find some business model that makes everyone happy. ;-) Good luck.

    -- gary_c
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
    Acolyte of the Butterfly
    James
    Posts: 110 from 2004/9/26
    From: The Land of En...
    @ gary_c

    I do agree that a printed version would most likely not be necessary, since PDF files can be printed if the person really wants to have a hard copy of the magazine. Some people have asked about it, so I thought I would check it out. May not be "economically viable" though... :lol: If I were to ever make a printed version, I would definitely have to charge for it, as I would have to pay the printer for making them. That is something for another day and time. I will be making very high quality PDFs with Adobe Acrobat Professional, so a person can print their own copy.

    At least initially, I really don't mind making the magazine free. I am just concerned that I may have to use my own personal money - that I don't want to happen at all. So with that in mind, I could put up a donation button on the website for readers that can and wish to donate a dollar or more for my work. That sounds fair in my opinion... To have the magazine free, at least initially, would be good to help attract people to the platform, as that is my ultimate goal. I want to help create more Pegasos users! :-D

    After some serious thinking about all of this, I will initially make the magazine free for everyone, and see how that goes. I want to get many people from around the globe involved with this magazine. That way it will have an excellent global theme to it.

    I am going to be putting in a lot of effort and time into this project, but I am going to have a lot of fun doing it.
  • »19.10.04 - 04:32
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    ple3003
    Posts: 41 from 2003/4/7
    From: Åre - Sweden
    I really like the idea of a printer-friendly PDF. It's been to long since i got to read a "real magazine" about my favourite platform i.e. amiga/pegasos.
    Reading a "paper" is far more relaxing IMO.
    Be sure to quality check all material before compiling every issue though.
    I eat people like you for breakfast ;-)
  • »19.10.04 - 19:49
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    boing
    Posts: 31 from 2003/2/24
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    I am partial to Pegazette, as in Pegasos Gazette.
    I was looking at doing a pdf magazine some time ago but time did not permit.
    Mine was to be called Morphine - get your fix and would cater to MorphOS users.
    Perhaps this will occur when time permits.

    my 2 cents
    Scott

    [ Edited by boing on 2004/10/20 7:35 ]
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Posts: 979 from 2003/6/28
    @James

    Why not do "Pegasos magazine" an official magazine of Pegasos? It will be the first magazine of a Genesi product, so could be nice if Genesi spondored it, and then can have more quality, the help of jobbo, good articles, interesting information and others...

    About printing, I agree with being designed printed-friendly, some type of license for able to the printed and selled at low prices by pegasos distributors or something, giving for free with Pegasos computers...
    a
    About an optional printed edition at low price (maybe losing money, but this will help promoting the platform) could be nice too...

    About humour section, could be nice WP-like articles and comic (about the life of captain pegasos, the slaves of laire or something).

    Pegasos magazine "the official magazine" ;-)
  • »20.10.04 - 00:23
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    @James

    It's very rare that you dont know it...

    http://wrongpla.net
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    James
    Posts: 110 from 2004/9/26
    From: The Land of En...
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    timofonic wrote:
    It's very rare that you dont know it...

    http://wrongpla.net/



    I just did a bunch of reading on their site the other day. :lol: Funny stuff!
  • »21.10.04 - 01:03
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    James
    Posts: 110 from 2004/9/26
    From: The Land of En...
    This is a preliminary outline of the magazine sections...

    Editor’s Corner (or something similar) - any name suggestions?
    Ask Genesi (or something similar) - may/may not be included - could be "Ask BBRV"! :-D
    MorphOS Team Insider - we all want this
    Pegasos Team Insider - we all want this
    MorphOS Developer News - great for prospective developers
    Pegasos News - definitely needed
    MorphOS News - also definitely needed
    Linux News - this is needed because a lot of Linux users are on the Pegasos II
    Hardware Reviews - great for reviews of all sorts, including any updates with the Pegasos
    Software Reviews - would be great for all the Freeware/Shareware and commercial software that is being released
    Programming for Beginners - would be good to introduce C to some people that don't know much about programming for MorphOS.
    Programming for Experts - would be good for expert tips, etc.
    Program Of The Month - self explanatory
    Picture Of The Month - Ambient desktop of the month (not a repeat of what is on MorphZone)
    Where The Pegasos Is Being Used - this would be a wonderful section
    Humour Me - forgot to include this!

    There will be ads in the magazine too, and initially they will be free for all advertisers. So get your 1/4, 1/2, or full page ad in to me for the January 2005 premier issue - hopefully I will release it on December 24th as a nice Christmas present to everyone. :-D

    Send ads to: ads(at)pegasoscomputing(dot)com
  • »21.10.04 - 01:08
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    Darth_X
    Posts: 571 from 2003/2/10
    From: Vancouver Isla...
    Great idea's! I'm not sure about the "Ask Genesi" though.. All the good stuff is covered under NDA (which means they can't talk about it publicly) so what's left is usually just fluff! ;-)
    When you have eliminated all which is impossible,
    then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth!!! - Sherlock Holmes
  • »21.10.04 - 02:31
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    What about using darker colours and some effects? :)
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    James
    Posts: 110 from 2004/9/26
    From: The Land of En...
    Quote:


    timofonic wrote:
    What about using darker colours and some effects? :)


    Give me time, man! :-D

    This is the text design I want; now to try different effects. ;-)
  • »24.10.04 - 09:35
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