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  • Caterpillar
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    AmigaMac
    Posts: 21 from 2004/1/5
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    Please stop trolling, AmigaMac...

    I'm not trolling. I admire both the Pegasos and Amiga platforms.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    jcmarcos
    Posts: 1178 from 2003/3/13
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    timofonic wrote:
    @AmigaMac

    Illegal stuff as OS4 j/k

    Please stop trolling, AmigaMac...


    You'd better calm down, as you are reaching the level of upsetting people. What are your comments useful for lately?
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    hooligan
    Posts: 1948 from 2003/2/23
    From: Lahti, Finland
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    You'd better calm down, as you are reaching the level of upsetting people. What are your comments useful for lately?


    He is just helping us poor moderators ;-)
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Velcro_SP
    Posts: 929 from 2003/7/13
    From: Universe
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    BTW, I am going to submit a design of a mid-tower case to Genesi to consider making for people that would buy one to go along with their Pegasos motherboard.


    @James:

    It should be a small case with a small footprint IMO. So many cases are big and clunky. The Pegasos doesn't need a big case normally, unlesss you have a lot of cards in there. Hopefully you also find something easy and inexpensive!
    Pegasos2 G3, 512 megs RAM
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    James
    Posts: 110 from 2004/9/26
    From: The Land of En...
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    Velcro_SP wrote:
    It should be a small case with a small footprint IMO. So many cases are big and clunky. The Pegasos doesn't need a big case normally, unlesss you have a lot of cards in there. Hopefully you also find something easy and inexpensive!


    I have a design in mind for a Micro-ATX cube and mini-tower case for the average user and a mid-tower case for power users. It would be really cool to have a company produced case, that has an option for clear sides for the modders out there. This would help users feel more connected to their Pegasos system, rather than having some of the really ugly off-the-shelf cases that I have seen. I'm a visual person, which btw is great for a programmer. I make oil paintings as a hobby... My college professors told me that I will be a better programmer in the long run, because I don't think like most linear programmers do. hehehe

    People have to remember something... The tech savvy person, like most of us, likes to build their own system. That is a given. We would love a case that offers us a better connection to the company and the Pegasos/MorphOS platform. I would buy one in an instant. But here is the more important point... If Genesi wants to get the general public buying into the Pegasos/MorphOS platform, they must have a pre-built solution for the public to purchase from a Pegasos dealer or off of Genesi's own website. I cannot stress this point any more. They could build a complete unit for the customer, or for the do-it-yourself type have the motherboard installed in the case so all they have to do is pop in their peripherals when they get it. Genesi should learn from the mistakes that all computer companies have made by not being flexible enough for the buying customer.

    I hate the fact that I have to find a case for my Pegasos II. I would much rather have a more elegant solution from Genesi. If I can help in this area with what is in my head, I will have contributed a lot to getting the MorphOS community more recognised by the general public. In case some haven't noticed, the general computing public is starting to seriously look at the platform. I am one of them... :-D I did not know anything about the Pegasos II until the beginning of September.

    I find the Pegasos/MorphOS platform to be a breath of much-needed fresh air. I absolutely love the butterfly logo that they have for MorphOS. That is going to be a key design element on the cases I have in mind. Personally, I am tired of the sickening and ever increasing amounts of money I have to pay for apps to do certain things on my computers. The Mac platform is famous for that, and the Windows platform is full of so much crud software, it is hard to decide what to buy. I think most people will agree with me on that. :-)

    Hopefully BBRV and the rest of the Genesi team will like my ideas. If they do, I get the first perfect one of any case off the production line. :-D That's all I ask for from these ideas of mine.
  • »29.09.04 - 10:19
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Stevo
    Posts: 895 from 2004/1/24
    From: #AmigaZeux
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    You'd better calm down, as you are reaching the level of upsetting people.


    Indeed. Chill Timo; walk around the block, get a vacation, anything, but cool down a bit eh?

    @James

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    In case some haven't noticed, the general computing public is starting to seriously look at the platform.


    I think that atm if the pegasos/mos setup isn't really interesting for the general computing public. Joe public wants a computer that has windows on it with word and msn and on which he can play doom 3. The pegasos is good at running linux, but a) is expensive in that (for a home user) and b) linux isn't suitable for the general public either. Morphos is great, but in it's current state (the os and the software support for it) probably not meeting demands of the general public.

    On the other side, if you want amigaos (and with good prospects, good backward compatibility with new neat features and a speed you have never dreamed of before) + the ability to run dozens of other os's without problems on a cool mobo, than pegasos/mos is the way to go :-)

    /me is definitly falling into the last category :-D
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    James
    Posts: 110 from 2004/9/26
    From: The Land of En...
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    @James

    I think that atm if the pegasos/mos setup isn't really interesting for the general computing public. Joe public wants a computer that has windows on it with word and msn and on which he can play doom 3. The pegasos is good at running linux, but a) is expensive in that (for a home user) and b) linux isn't suitable for the general public either. Morphos is great, but in it's current state (the os and the software support for it) probably not meeting demands of the general public.

    On the other side, if you want amigaos (and with good prospects, good backward compatibility with new neat features and a speed you have never dreamed of before) + the ability to run dozens of other os's without problems on a cool mobo, than pegasos/mos is the way to go :-)

    /me is definitly falling into the last category :-D


    Well, may be version 1.5 of MorphOS will start to change that. Honestly, I have never heard about the Pegasos until the beginning of September. I am certainly glad I discovered it though. My wife is also a bit intrigued by the new platform. Possibly, I could build her a Pegasos system by Christmas. Depending on my money situation of course... :)

    The fact that John C. Dvorak is drooling over the platform is something quite amazing - never thought I would see that. :)

    I think that things are picking up for Genesi - that is the general "gut" feeling I get. May be we'll get a nice Christmas present from them - MorphOS 1.5! That's all I want - native TCP/IP stack, ATI 3D support, etc. Woohoo! Well, a nice case would be nice too, but that can wait. hehehe
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Posts: 979 from 2003/6/28
    @James

    Yes, but actually his users are a very important part for MorphOS be succeed, because MorphOS not has a plenty of users and companies developing for it (only some company and a few developers), the developers (a.k.a. those users that are developers) must helping with the software for the platform...
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Velcro_SP
    Posts: 929 from 2003/7/13
    From: Universe
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    That's all I want - native TCP/IP stack, ATI 3D support, etc. Woohoo! Well, a nice case would be nice too, but that can wait. hehehe


    @James:

    Yes, that is what I hope for too.

    - user-friendly TCP/IP stack
    - somewhat better support for this and that graphics card
    - a little more stability
    - the latest version of Trance and Ambient and Turboprint and so on
    - perhaps also SDL support built-in

    If all this stuff is knitted together in a holistic way, then this will be a big, big step. I think it will take MorphOS to a position that it hasn't really been in up to now. It will be more complete. The TCP/IP will give users the easy ability to go online and get all the other stuff they want.

    I think that when this is done, the MOS team can really take a breath and say "okay, this is our product, we did a lot, so go do what you can with it." And they can say this to Genesi and users, and take a trip to the beach or whatever!
    Pegasos2 G3, 512 megs RAM
  • »30.09.04 - 08:46
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    James
    Posts: 110 from 2004/9/26
    From: The Land of En...
    @ Velcro_SP

    I could not agree more, and SDL support would be very cool indeed. What about progress on OpenGL? I am going to have learn how to use that, because I have never used it before.

    I am so anxious to build a Pegasos/MorphOS system... :)

    Question: Is there a hard drive size limit in the MorphOS?

    I cannot seem to find any information on that. Hopefully there is no limit, as I would like to put two Western Digital 250GB HDs in the case. I am going to put 2GB RAM on the G4 board. 8GB would be nice, but I cannot believe how ridiculously expensive that would be. 2GB will be quite sufficient for any future development/personal needs. To that I am going to add Plextor DVD+-/R-RW and DVD-ROM/CD-R/RW drives. The power supply will be provided by the only place where I buy them: PC Power & Cooling - awesome quality! I am thinking ahead for future ATI support, so I am going to get a high end one. I'll get the ATI 9200 video card for now, but I will upgrade that later and use this one to build my wife a Pegasos system later this year. I'm sure she won't mind... :-D
  • »30.09.04 - 11:22
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