I can see not only users are fed up with waiting for new version of
MOS... Cooperation with 3rd part developers is not good enough also:
http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2004-10-00131-DE.html

What has an user, who got bored to wait for a free Peg from Genesi, todo with support by the MorphOS Development team?

If you look to the About Requesters or Manuals of my programs you often find MorphOS Developer mentioned which I have to thank. Because when I asked a development related question I always got an useful answer (which is what I call support).

regards,
tokai

I think about users waiting for new MOS version, they have Pegasoses,
but they'd like use all things, they can see on presentations without
bugs, they'd like be happy using newest MOS version. I don't know, why
author AmiAtlas and other programs is not glad with cooperation, but I
know why users are not glad. I'v read about this problem everyday on
not official morphos list. They unhappy, that they don't know, _WHEN_
will be ready update morphos.

I doubt that AmiAtlas dev would buy Pegasos even if MorphOS 1.5 was available today.

Problem of MOS is and of MOS-dev. at all, its to quit. Lots of things could be going to public and didn't has to wait till 1.5 ! What about bug fixes for MOS 1.4.2 there are plenty of them! (f.e. printer prob.) or smaller updates, which are already known and working (tinygl), 3d for radeon 7000+ ... that all could have been published... but dev. are "playing around" not mentioning, not publicing anything! Thats very anoying! New + better features could wait till they are working... but WHAT is with the bug fixes? Everybody knows about the sound prob (fixed in 1.5) aso... more and more developers (see: AmigaAtlas Team) are leaving to support MOS... WHY? Bet you know: no support but withdrawing from the "community" ... THATS something I HATE!

How can AmiAtlas Team leave MorphOS behind, when they never really supported it (besides the release of an old demo version which sadly didn't work properly at all).?

Why AmiAtlas author (it's not a Team, but a single person) just waits for a free Peg? I know a lot developers/users (including myself) who want to support MorphOS and _bought_ a peg. Why AmiAtlas author has enough money to buy a1, but no peg? Honest.. when I don't have money as developer and need free machine for developing then this is okay, but when it does not happen as i wanted (free machine is for certain reasons not available) then I don't go out and make negative press statements that way. Some small notice on my site and good. It was just about a free peg after all (I don't believe some big amount of money was involved). Others didn't got one too... either they buy one and support the market or they stay with old hardware or pc... whatever.

As someone who bought his peg, such behavior make me a bit sick...

Just my POV.

regards,
tokai

See, this Gerd Frank guy and his "Team" didn't have any problems to BUY these perfectly working, high quality, CHEAP AmigaOne's to do Versions of their precious software for OS4.

On the other hand, he (they?) has a problem with not getting one of these buggy, expensive RIP-OFF Pegasos II's for free. We all can understand this. It possibly can't have anything to do with "floating around in red waters", NO!

(Präventiv Notiz: The above is meant sarcastic)

@Jonny_Rico and others that want more mos updates...

MorphOS 1.4.2 its in a lot more advanced stage than the latest OS4 version available for betatesters/developers, OS4 is a lot more buggy than MorphOS 1.4.2. About more faster updates, I dont like those shity ones having updates each week, I prefer very big ones in more time, more tested... because having updates each less time will do that these updates wil be a lot more buggy... If you prefer more an OS with more updates, get linux or the buggy OS4 that has a lot more lacks than latest MorphOS public available actually...

OK, I agree - one big update maybe will be good, but question is
_WHEN_. And answare "when it's done" is not good. I'd like to know,
when this upgrade will be.

@Kaczus

Development isnt an exact science, its very difficult develop an OS, and more being a desktop OS, so dates normally cant be said, programming an OS ia a very complex thing... If people cant wait, why not do it yourself? Then you will know the development stage all time... start learning C now...

I know C. I work as software engineer. I work in team
writing bank system. I know that unexpected problems can be happen
during the work progress. But we must predict deadline time, when
another version will be finished. Our selers must know, when they
can plan changing versions in bank.

Commercial software is released on maximun dates abnd others, MorphOS its more "release it when the thing runs good without worry about the time". I think that MorphOS has a less commercial development style (no release dates...), but I consider it that most of their developers has very good professional programming quality seeing that they done in such small time period. So wait some, start coding some thing for MorphOS, or port something, play some games, hear music, use drugs if you want... And let the MorphOSD developers developing MorphOS without read "hey, when willl release MorphOS 1.5?" "A lot of time since 1.4.2, OS4 has blahblashblah" "I will change to OS4 if this not change soon blahblahblah" "MorphOS sucks blah blah blah".

I think it's better to leave MorphOS Development Team do their jobs.

I am sure they are trying our best to have new updates as soon as
possible.

And yes, we must bless them that we have new Amiga and OS nowadays.

Mmmhh....I've lost my hopes about MOS1.5...

Quote:

Are you working on an online banking system for Polish banks?

I work on part of system for small Polish banks, but we have some
system for sell: http://www.epsilio.pl

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Me too... It seems there are so many improvements that it would be somewhat insulting to call it "just +0.1" (MOS1.5) rather than f.ex. MorphOS 2.0

" MorphOS 1.4.2 its in a lot more advanced stage than the latest OS4 version available for betatesters/developers. "

i tested os4 this weekend, and i must say, i strongly disagree. os4 is stable. morphos is not !

and things seems to move faster on os4 side.. like lots of news, ports, feedback, everyday.

with morphos, nothing.. you don't know what's happening.. and users are stuck with crashy system with no updates and they dunno when it will come.

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So run OS4 on your peg!

Joking aside, this remindws me of a project I would like to see started to make a list of all the classic type apps they've tried on morphos, to see what works.

[ Edited by Darth_X on 2004/10/24 11:35 ]

I don't see the point of "waiting" unless there's some specific
functionality that you need to do whatever you need to do.

For my personally, 1.4.2 is stable and fills my needs. I definitely
hope there will be improvements in the future, but why would I be
"waiting"? After 1.5 (or whatever it is called), I'm 100% sure there
will be a group of people instantly spending their time waiting for
1.6, 2.1 or whatever.

Yes... like children waiting for their baby teeth to fall out, we need
to learn to be patient, and enjoy what we have so far (which is quite
a lot, considering an OS is a fairly complex thing to write). Soon
enough, we'll have our second teeth, and then we can really start
ripping chunks out of the competition...

Keisangi

Well, what's unstable with MOS? I know some bad behaving applications,
namely V and Miami at my system, but the rest works rock solid! there
are more bad behaving appications, but I avoid them. Sure I would be
happy if everything would just work, but I guess I cannot blme the OS
on that.
I guess OS4 will not convince a buggy application to stop being buggy
either or will it?

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Keisangi, are you serious ?? AFAIK Os 4 should be released since month/years. Mos has been released more than a year ago. Did you pay for it? No so be a little more comprehensive. Developping an OS is not like porting application, it is much more complex.
Do you think Windows user are bugging MSFT everyday for all the blue screen they get ?
Today, Mos allow to run plenty of application and it is quiet stable. Sure, we all want upgrade but let the Mos team work on it. I rather they take plenty of time instead of having a buggy release !
Last thing, do you really believe OS 4 is moving faster ?? AFAIK their are no communication from A Inc. No one knows who's behind and I doubt they moved faster than Genesi...
Conclusion: Be patient and more helpfull, complaining won't arrange anything !

Jeez guys.. no need to take a chunk of every flamebait Keisangi lures in front of you. You are users of MorphOS, you know how it works and doesn't work, no need to carry on replying to posts you KNOW aren't true.

Of course if you have too much time in your hands then by all means, please carry on