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cyberS

# 82
Just looking around

Posts: 10 from 2003/2/24

Hi, I just upgraded my Pegasos-II graphics with a
Sapphire Radeon 9250 AGP card. This card works very
well with Debian Linux, but MorphOS now refuses to
switch screen and halts for ever in SmartFirmware.

Any ideas to fix this problem?
Bye!
»26.01.08 - 21:03

Omen

# 83
Caterpillar

Posts: 37 from 2008/1/4

From: Canada

@cyberS

Firmware update

http://www.bplan-gmbh.de/news/update05042004_en.html

Check MD5 checksum before flashing.

Bplan also has a newer firmware than this but only given to those with newer revision Peg2 board.
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5651&forum=11#55059

Newer firmware may not help but it is the first thing to try. After which, you may have to change to a different Radeon model.
»27.01.08 - 16:52

cyberS

# 84
Just looking around

Posts: 10 from 2003/2/24

Hi Omen,

thanks for your idea, but the FW is uptodate.

Thanks to Piru I got a modded driver - it seems
there was a problem with the PCI ID. Now
MorphOS is useable with this card. :)

Regards!

[ Edited by cyberS on 2008/1/27 20:36 ]
Bye!
»27.01.08 - 19:36

Levithicus

# 85
Just looking around

Posts: 18 from 2007/12/18

ASUS Radeon 9250/TD 128 DDR AGP - not working

Doesnt show up in OF.
»26.02.08 - 18:49

Sprocki

# 86
Acolyte of the Butterfly

Posts: 128 from 2005/2/23

From: Berlin - Germany

Quote:

Thanks to Piru I got a modded driver - it seems
there was a problem with the PCI ID. Now
MorphOS is useable with this card. :)

Does this mean the support of a single card just needs a little tweak? I own an EPoX card which does not even show the FW - the screen stays black. It prevents the Peg from booting then. It works without problems in an x86 system. I bought this one as it was said that 9250 cards would work, but mine does not. Could it be easily supported?
»27.02.08 - 08:51

Jupp3

# 87
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1193 from 2003/2/24

From: Helsinki, Finland

Quote:

Does this mean the support of a single card just needs a little tweak? I own an EPoX card which does not even show the FW - the screen stays black. It prevents the Peg from booting then. It works without problems in an x86 system. I bought this one as it was said that 9250 cards would work, but mine does not. Could it be easily supported?

If it doesn't get past firmware, it's not a MorphOS problem.

It might be that the card isn't 3.3V compatible. If it's not, it should not even fit physically, but too many manufacturers seem to ignore the voltage key standards nowadays, and release 1.5V-only cards with both 3.3V and 1.5V keys...
»27.02.08 - 10:13

Sprocki

# 88
Acolyte of the Butterfly

Posts: 128 from 2005/2/23

From: Berlin - Germany

The page says that it has "Auto detect for AGP 1.0, 2.0,or 3.0 mode". Should this be sufficient to set the right voltage?
»27.02.08 - 10:42

Jupp3

# 89
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1193 from 2003/2/24

From: Helsinki, Finland

Quote:

The page says that it has "Auto detect for AGP 1.0, 2.0,or 3.0 mode". Should this be sufficient to set the right voltage?

And iirc, that doesn't really have anything to do with AGP voltage...

AGP voltage isn't something you can "just set to whatever you want". Motherboards support (only) certain voltages (which are keyed in AGP connector) and AGP cards are compatible with certain voltages (which are keyed to the card edge connector) If the gfx card isn't compatible with any voltage that the motherboard is able to supply, it won't work. According to the standard, the card shouldn't even physically fit.

Complain to the shop where you bought the card, as it obviously isn't what you assumed it to be (according to the physical appearance)

(that of course assuming that it's a voltage problem)

[ Edited by Jupp3 on 2008/2/28 13:01 ]
»28.02.08 - 10:49

Sprocki

# 90
Acolyte of the Butterfly

Posts: 128 from 2005/2/23

From: Berlin - Germany

Complain goes more to the manufacturer who put incorrect data on his webpage. But as this card was used bought and is very old nowadays there is no way to give it back. At least I know now that it will never work with either Peg or Efika.
»28.02.08 - 23:49

Painkiller

# 91
Acolyte of the Butterfly

Posts: 128 from 2007/11/19

From: Nokia, Funland

BTW now that MOS 2.0 is released are there any plans on releasing new drivers for newer Radeon GFX chips?
»14.07.08 - 14:55

amigadave

# 92
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 2795 from 2006/3/21

From: Northern Calif...

@Magnetic,

From your signature I see you are triple-booting into the three OSes that I want to be using.

Can I buy your system, or can you help me duplicate it? I only live a short drive away from Los Angeles where you are. (Short drive is relative to the driver) In other words, can it be done on an Efika, or do I need a Peg2 to run all three with any kind of acceptable speed. I imagine MacOS could slow the Efika to a crawl, if it could be installed in the first place.

What is the best graphic card for the Efika that is supported by MorphOS2?
[ Edited by amigadave on 2008/8/27 18:47 ]

[ Edited by amigadave on 2008/8/27 18:49 ]
MorphOS - The best Next Gen Amiga choice.
»28.08.08 - 03:45

amigadave

# 93
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 2795 from 2006/3/21

From: Northern Calif...

@cyberS, (or anyone that can answer)

Forgive me for any stupid questions I may ask, as I am new here and have not had the pleasure of running MorphOS for myself YET! (my attempts to get the PowerUP version installed and running on my A4000 have not been successful).

I am planning on purchasing an EFIKA mobo within the next few days to run MOS2.1 and want to know which graphics card to get. Are you using this Sapphire ATI Radeon 9250 256mb, 128bit card in an EFIKA, or a Pegasos system?
MorphOS - The best Next Gen Amiga choice.
»06.09.08 - 08:02

vox

# 94
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 524 from 2003/11/25

From: Belgrade

Quote:

dOpus wrote:
Hello,sorry if i aou of topic but i hurry

Strange things happening with my Pegasos II

Recently i buy-et from Vesalia and using Voodoo5 pci without problems.
Ok,i want to change my videocar with Ati 7500LE/64 and i have problems
When i booting from CD the screen is ok,after i install MorphOS, de grafics come scrambled on my screen

I check the memory with another Pegasos II..OK
I check The video board with another Pegasos II ...OK
I run Gentoo live CD without problems with this board
it's something hidden in firmware?
I try 3 agp videocards and all have the same problems

Any hints?

Again, and just to make it serious and official, any hope for some nVIDIA card drivers (covering PPC Macs) and Radeon 4000HD drivers (PCI-E G5 Macs and SAM460ex)
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»03.03.14 - 01:09

Andreas_Wolf

# 95
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12098 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> any hope for [...] Radeon 4000HD drivers (PCI-E G5 Macs and SAM460ex)

Regarding Sam460:
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9876&forum=11&start=5
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9764&forum=38&start=94

Regarding G5 Macs:
There is no PPC ROM for Radeon graphics cards beyond X1900/X1950.
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=9587&start=39
»03.03.14 - 11:58

vox

# 96
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 524 from 2003/11/25

From: Belgrade

Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> any hope for [...] Radeon 4000HD drivers (PCI-E G5 Macs and SAM460ex)

Regarding Sam460:
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9876&forum=11&start=5
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9764&forum=38&start=94

Regarding G5 Macs:
There is no PPC ROM for Radeon graphics cards beyond X1900/X1950.

Please answers with links, no just hyperlinks.

Yes, I do know there are no ROMS, that is why my Radeon 6870 on X1000 doesnt always finds reset/reboot signal and has to turn off and reboot. Sad sad thing. But it works, surely 2D only in OS 4.1.
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»04.03.14 - 11:02

itix

# 97
MorphOS Developer

Posts: 1520 from 2003/2/24

From: Finland

Quote:

Yes, I do know there are no ROMS, that is why my Radeon 6870 on X1000 doesnt always finds reset/reboot signal and has to turn off and reboot. Sad sad thing. But it works, surely 2D only in OS 4.1.

No, you misunderstood this. There is no PPC ROM for Radeon 4000. Therefore it is not Mac compatible.

Your x1000 issue is a video driver problem not related to ROM.
1 + 1 = 3 with very large values of 1
»04.03.14 - 14:06

Andreas_Wolf

# 98
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12098 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> Please answers with links, no just hyperlinks.

Huh? in hypertext context the term "link" is just short for "hyperlink". There's no difference. Besides:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=38&topic_id=9764&start=98

>> Regarding G5 Macs: There is no PPC ROM for Radeon graphics cards beyond X1900/X1950.

> Yes, I do know there are no ROMS

Then why do you think a Radeon HD4000 can work in a PPC Mac?

> that is why my Radeon 6870 on X1000 doesnt always finds reset/reboot signal and has
> to turn off and reboot.

No, that is not why (as itix said).
»04.03.14 - 19:37

vox

# 99
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 524 from 2003/11/25

From: Belgrade

>> Regarding G5 Macs: There is no PPC ROM for Radeon graphics cards beyond X1900/X1950.

>> Yes, I do know there are no ROMS

>Then why do you think a Radeon HD4000 can work in a PPC Mac?

No, but it can obviously work with Intel based ROM, like my cards in SAM460ex and X1000. Surely Apple machines are a bit more kinky.

> that is why my Radeon 6870 on X1000 doesnt always finds reset/reboot signal and has
> to turn off and reboot.

>>No, that is not why (as itix said).

That is reality I do live each day I turn X1000.

Hope that is not obstacle that cannot be overcomed, or we (team) could bake
their own reflash

RadeonHD is way sooner or later, nVIDIA drivers for cards in Macs would be smart move. Why running from it?
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»04.03.14 - 20:05

Andreas_Wolf

# 100
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12098 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

>>>> Regarding G5 Macs: There is no PPC ROM for Radeon graphics cards
>>>> beyond X1900/X1950.

>>> Yes, I do know there are no ROMS

>>Then why do you think a Radeon HD4000 can work in a PPC Mac?

> No, but it can obviously work with Intel based ROM

No, a graphics card with Intel-based ROM can not work in a PPC Mac. I wonder how many times this must be repeated until you grasp it.

> like my cards in SAM460ex and X1000.

U-Boot of the Sam460 and CFE of the X1000 include a rudimentary x86 emulator. That's why they work with graphics cards with non-PPC ROM.

> Surely Apple machines are a bit more kinky.

The PPC Mac OpenFirmware lacks an x86 emulator. Not sure whether that's to be called "kinky".

>>> that is why my Radeon 6870 on X1000 doesnt always finds reset/reboot signal and has
>>> to turn off and reboot.

>> No, that is not why (as itix said).

> That is reality I do live each day I turn X1000.

I don't doubt your problem with your X1000 (btw, I thought you gave it away to get the Sam460?), but opposed to what you claim it is not caused by the lack of a PPC ROM in your Radeon HD6870.

> Hope that is not obstacle that cannot be overcomed

I'm afraid it is.

> or we (team) could bake their own reflash :-)

Nice joke :-)

> RadeonHD is way sooner or later

Not for PPC Macs.
»04.03.14 - 22:08

Jim

# 101
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 4977 from 2009/1/28

From: Delaware, USA

>I'm afraid it is.

Not really.

>Not for PPC Macs.

It is certainly possible to create a video card driver that does not rely on an onboard bios or OpenFirmware roms.

We did this in the '80's with Peter Stark's PT68K2 (which used a 68K processor and an ISA bus) when we wrote drivers for ISA ET-4000 video cards that completely ignored the bios roms.

Detection is the toughest part of this equation, and addressing variations that can be covered via bios calls have to be dealt with via software, but as we did this almost three decades ago it certainly CAN be done now.

[ Edited by Jim 04.03.2014 - 21:34 ]
"Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
»04.03.14 - 22:23

vox

# 102
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 524 from 2003/11/25

From: Belgrade

Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
?

> No, but it can obviously work with Intel based ROM

AN>No, a graphics card with Intel-based ROM can not work in a PPC Mac. I wonder how AN>many times this must be repeated until you grasp it.

Sad sad limitation as it can work on other PPC board. Now I am glad I dont own
PPC mac since I would be limited to Apples crazy pricing.

> like my cards in SAM460ex and X1000.

U-Boot of the Sam460 and CFE of the X1000 include a rudimentary x86 emulator. That's why they work with graphics cards with non-PPC ROM.

Good. So those standards are not that bad.

> Surely Apple machines are a bit more kinky.

The PPC Mac OpenFirmware lacks an x86 emulator. Not sure whether that's to be called "kinky".

Everything about apple seems to be kinky.

> That is reality I do live each day I turn X1000.

I don't doubt your problem with your X1000 (btw, I thought you gave it away to get the Sam460?), but opposed to what you claim it is not caused by the lack of a PPC ROM in your Radeon HD6870.

Its on my desk for PPC Linux customization for DJ Nick. OpenGL, new kernel, he wants KDE ... we do live in same city.

> Hope that is not obstacle that cannot be overcomed

I'm afraid it is.

I am sad.

> or we (team) could bake their own reflash

Nice joke

That would be old school way.

> RadeonHD is way sooner or later

Not for PPC Macs.

Thanks for making it clear. Now list of cards I can surely
get for SAM460ex esp. low profile and I am good to go MOS.
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»13.03.14 - 10:06

Andreas_Wolf

# 103
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12098 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> I am glad I dont own PPC mac since I would be limited to Apples crazy pricing.

The pricing of graphics cards with PPC ROM may be crazy, but not necessarily Apple's. There are numerous 3rd party graphics cards intended for upgrading the stock cards the PPC Macs came with.

>>> or we (team) could bake their own reflash :-)

>> Nice joke :-)

> That would be old school way.

And unrealistic nonetheless.
»13.03.14 - 20:23

vox

# 104
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 524 from 2003/11/25

From: Belgrade

Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> I am glad I dont own PPC mac since I would be limited to Apples crazy pricing.

The pricing of graphics cards with PPC ROM may be crazy, but not necessarily Apple's. There are numerous 3rd party graphics cards intended for upgrading the stock cards the PPC Macs came with.

Good - maybe you could list those cards and availiablity now as help to MOS PPC Mac users, a growing crowd. Apple prices I have seen are just sick, AEON looks good to it.

>>> or we (team) could bake their own reflash

>> Nice joke

> That would be old school way.

Quote:

And unrealistic nonetheless.

Why, every EPROM can be reflashed?

Anyway, list of cards tested on SAM460ex that support MOS, I am still waiting for it and I believe I havent missed it in other threads. General answers are no no, I have to know what exactly to get if my Radeon 4000HD is no go. And I am especially interested in Low profile models since in the end board will go to Daddys X500.
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»13.03.14 - 22:20

takemehomegrandma

# 105
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 2720 from 2003/2/24

Never buy HW based on *hopes* of MorphOS support, that has allways been the general recommendation, and you should (really) take this advice seriously. Sure, MorphOS with Sam460 support was announced/demoed, but until it gets here (*if* it actually gets here in the end) you will not know what will be supported and what will not. If it indeed gets here, then everything will become clear. Not until then. In the mean rime, things may change, so details won't be discussed (they never are), and everything will be pure specularions. You will know. In time. Be patient...
MorphOS is Amiga done right!
MorphOS NG will be AROS done right!
»13.03.14 - 22:46

Andreas_Wolf

# 106
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12098 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> maybe you could list those cards and availiablity now as help to MOS PPC Mac users

List already given to you:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=9587&start=39
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=9888&start=24

As for availability, search on sites like eBay.

> Apple prices I have seen are just sick

Again: prices are high for non-Apple graphics cards with PPC ROM as well.

>>>>> or we (team) could bake their own reflash :-)

>>>> Nice joke :-)

>>> That would be old school way.

>> And unrealistic nonetheless.

> Why, every EPROM can be reflashed?

You will have to develop the software (= the hard part to do) before you can flash it.
»13.03.14 - 23:24