A TCP/IP stack is a good thing to have as software available for any system, not necessarily part of the Operating System - this I think is bad.

I have no use for 3D, I cannot think of many good uses (for me) for 3D. My radeon card works 100% as far as I am concerned in MorphOS 1.4.3.

What is in MorphOS 1.5 which programmers would need? Can you not program the hardware in MorphOS 1.4.3?

>TCP/IP stack is a good thing to have as software available for any system,
>not necessarily part of the Operating System - this I think is bad.

The user wants to be on the internet in 5 mins after setting up the OS.
What 3rd party TCP/IP stack do you suggest and how should the user get and install it?
MiamiDX cannot be registered anymore afaik.

>I have no use for 3D, I cannot think of many good uses (for me) for 3D.
>My radeon card works 100% as far as I am concerned in MorphOS 1.4.3.

Here it does show no picture when the VGA cable is connected to the second output of the Radeon.

>What is in MorphOS 1.5 which programmers would need? Can you not program the hardware in MorphOS 1.4.3?

No you cannot, the most important feature of G4 which still can give an advantage over its competitors is unsupported - AltiVec.

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You mean that EXTREMELY well written TCP/IP stack they use from BSD UNIX?

BSD/Win32 IP Stack

The IP stack in windows is as good, if not better than the Linux one.

I say this a a 100% windows hater too.

-edit

An operating system in this age should be completlely network aware if it wants to call itself modern.

Even MenuetOS has a built in IP stack, and it's written in assembly and fits on one floppy!

[ Edited by mdma on 2004/12/23 23:56 ]

and with the way Windows has implemented/integrated it's version of the TCP/IP stack, how do you easily update or replace it with a completely different one? how many 3rd party stacks have you seen easily available for Windows? and it must be relatively affordable. how many non-TCP/IP stacks have you seen easily available for Windows?

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:lol: Good joke!

This thread is kind kind of pointless IMHO. Will it never die?

@tmhg

Pointless in the sense that Genesi has already said they no longer support MorphOS and the developers are SOL? sure....

With that said, this thread should continue until we have a firm statement from 'The MorphOS Team' about the future of MorphOS. The community that everyone (including bbrv) built up will just fade away otherwise.

@ JKD

Don't be so melodramatic. Anyway, this thread has no impact on the
evolvements of these things anyawy, but fine, keep it going. It won't
keep me from thinking it's a pointless thread though!

Merry Christmas!

Well. since no-one wants to contribute any new information nor discuss it any further, the thread is clearly over.

Season's Greetings anyway...hope to fat jolly man in your chimney turns out to be Santa

I don't remember everyone upset about Amstrad when they didn't make any more versions of Amstrad BASIC, in fact I don't even remember them suggesting it was going to be a long-term product, it was just part of the computer system it sold with - just like MorphOS.

@zhulien

You're remembering back quote a ways! :) What about the Commodore
Plus/4. :)

Did Amstrad ever sell their systems without an operating system?

It would be a solution for users if the MOS developers are allowed to sell MOS 1.5 on their own. If Genesi is ok with that, and the MOS dev's burn CD's with 1.5 and sell them on a web shop or whatever, I think then MOS still has a future. That will also make more pegasus sold, Genesi said they wanted to concentrate on Linux now, but a few additional MOS-induced sales won't be bad. With the money the devs of MOS get for selling 1.5 they could finance the money gap they have. But condition of course is an ok from Genesi so they won't sue the MOS team, that would be bad for both.

For me, I do not have a Peg yet, I was planning to buy one before these troubles. If MOS 1.5 is out I will likely reconsider, and buy both a peg (with 1.4 bundled) and MOS1.5 from the devs.

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It'll die as soon as there's no hope left for Mos getting further.

Personally.. I have decided to give them time.. I'll look for other things to do while waiting.. (yep.. and It aint' first thing on my 'I'm still waiting' list)

ok ....we are only the Endusers but !)
i think we should start to send E-Mails to
Motorola..IBM and all other Partners from Genesis

i dont believe IBM is happy to have a Partner like Genesis
and for me the end of the Story is the end of Peg..

cause ,,any x86 or now the new Apple Imac is better
a better Solution for the Future,,

if Morphos is not released this was my first and only Peg


Maurix

@Maurix

The people you should be emailling are the people causing the problem(s). This militant action on morphos.net has already cost MorphOS support from Genesi (whatever that was worth) and problems with f.ex Freescale.

It's months since I first found out about the problems...maybe even 6 months and I'm still fuming but this does not cause me to want to heap further destructive behaviour on Peg/MOS. Worst case is, I'll just sell up and switch 100% to the Mac.

I have been reading about this situation with MorphOS and Genesis for quite some time now. I must say I am totally dismayed at the present state of affairs with Genesi and the MorphOS dev team.

Since all of this started, I have reconsidered my purchase of a Pegasos 2 motherboard, and any software development too. There are many reasons, but one main one comes to mind. Promises were being made and yet there was no delivery.

I am not going to invest my hard-earned money in a company that is so unprofessional and unreliable at best.

I will stick with Mac OS X and Windows XP - they both have their flaws, but they also have many benefits. At least, I will actually be able to get some work done on these two platforms.

@ JKD

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Well said, and I agree! I will not sell my Pegs though, they are very usable for Linux!


@ Maurix

I hope those e-mails of yours get stuck in the spam filters where they belong! My point is that you are a bit naive if you think that anyone at those companies (whoever that person may be) that might read what you have to say in your mails about David Gerber will care the slightest, and that you are a bit childish if you think that kind of behaviour will solve anything at all. No offence buddy (I don't mean to sound mean), but I think that idea of yours kind of suck! It will be nothing but spam.

I also don't understand why some of you feel the need to constantly BUMP these old threads on this issue that leads nowhere anyway ...

This thread just needs to be locked and let it die. We need to just face it and get over it. Genesi and MorphOS are no longer working together in nany way shape or form. The dev team thats left should face that fact if they havent and start looking for others ways to support the OS if they want it to continue.

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Well, sure. If you want the "many benefits" of a mature computer platform, you choose Windows or MacOS. If you want to be in on the ground floor of a startup, you deal with the bumps in the road. You really can't expect smooth sailing on the bleeding edge; you're naive if you did.

If you are in fact a developer, I would think being part of a new platform might be an interesting challenge, but you now sound like you'd be more comfortable with the stable environment of a mainstream OS.

And I'd be more careful about accusations of Genesi being an "unprofessional and unreliable" company. Aren't you basing this assessment on second-hand information? On the word of people involved in disputes with Genesi? Is that a fair basis for coming to a conclusion?

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Were you promised something? Or are you just echoing what others claim to be owed?

My point is that things are very unclear now and it's hard to come to firm conclusions about who owes what, who did what, etc. The continuation of the platform hinges on these things being clarified and solutions found, IMO. But, for people who need a more stable environment right now "to get some work done", MorphOS may not be the right choice at this time.

-- gary_c

@azalin

I think that is the first concreate solution ever. Mayby send that idea to David and Genesi, and soon we will have a solution.

@thread

Mayby we should try to solve this instead of screaming that folks is idiots...

gary_c wrote:
Well, sure. If you want the "many benefits" of a mature computer platform, you choose Windows or MacOS. If you want to be in on the ground floor of a startup, you deal with the bumps in the road. You really can't expect smooth sailing on the bleeding edge; you're naive if you did.

> No, I am not naive. Being a startup is one thing, but acting like they have, Genesi hasn't really made a good impression with me. Sorry, but I am one of the people that must stand with the devs on this issue. These people bust their asses off to improve MorphOS, and they get second-best treatment by Genesi. To an outsider, this is not apparent according to their website. Yet, the reality is MorphOS is really not worth their time, since Linux is doing so well for them. Tried Linux and in the words of one of my favourite cartoon characters, Mr. Horse (from Ren & Stimpy), "No sir, I didn't like it." I am never going to buy a Peg II for Linux. I can do that on my Power Mac or new Windows XP desktop and notebook.

If you are in fact a developer, I would think being part of a new platform might be an interesting challenge, but you now sound like you'd be more comfortable with the stable environment of a mainstream OS.

> Suicide would be an interesting challenge too, considering I am Lutheran.

And I'd be more careful about accusations of Genesi being an "unprofessional and unreliable" company. Aren't you basing this assessment on second-hand information? On the word of people involved in disputes with Genesi? Is that a fair basis for coming to a conclusion?

>I think more than enough information regarding the dispute with the company and the developers have been aired on here and elsewhere. This is the basis of my conclusion, and rightly so in my personal opinion.

Were you promised something? Or are you just echoing what others claim to be owed?

>No, I wasn't promised anything. I was fully prepared to purchase a Pegasos II motherboard before all of this started.

My point is that things are very unclear now and it's hard to come to firm conclusions about who owes what, who did what, etc. The continuation of the platform hinges on these things being clarified and solutions found, IMO. But, for people who need a more stable environment right now "to get some work done", MorphOS may not be the right choice at this time.

>I could not have said it better - buy a Windows XP or Mac OS X computer. Better yet, buy both and enjoy both platforms. You'll thank yourself for it.

>Unclear? I would say it pretty well looks dead to me from my viewpoint. People worked on MorphOS and were not paid. Simple solution - PAY THEM! Quite an easy solution to this whole mess... If I was a MorphOS programmer, and was not being paid for my work, I'd be royally pissed off too.

Thanks for trying gary...

Hi James, we traded a few emails with you. Where do you get off saying developers are getting second hand treatment from Genesi and what are the assumptions behind some of the junk you are posting? Send us an email and we would be happy to give you a call so you could base some of your opinions on first hand information. Apparently, you do not have any. Have you read this:

http://www.genesi.lu/morphos_statement.php

(check the date)

We sent out 50+ ODWs to Developers in December alone. Admittedly, Freescale is taking a while to get them to some of the intended destinations but they ARE on the way. Some of those machines are going to MorphOS application developers. One recent example of success in this regard is VGP2 which is now ready but needs 1.5 functionality to really work as it should.

BTW, we host, manage and fully developed this site and MDC.

R&B

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I read an article the other day (in the newspaper but it's also online here) by Islamic scholar Tariq Ramadan, about his visa being revoked by the US government, preventing him from accepting a University of Notre Dame professorship, despite his long record of moderate, progressive views and broad support by peers. One quote of his struck me as relevant to our situation here, regarding Genesi and developers, etc.:
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I've had arguments in the last several months with people who've used almost these exact words to back up their beliefs. We have seen many instances of assumptions repeated (many more than) three times becoming "fact," when of course in reality they are still nothing more than assumptions, just as those about Tariq Ramadan are nothing more than assumptions. The "information being aired" that you refer to is at best only a piece of the whole picture. You are free to come to conclusions as you wish, but be aware of how insufficient the public information is for a valid conclusion, even when correctly understood. And your post reflects a less-than-perfect understanding of even that information, to say the least.

-- gary_c

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"I read an article the other day (in the newspaper but it's also online here) by Islamic scholar Tariq Ramadan, about his visa being revoked by the US government, preventing him from accepting a University of Notre Dame professorship, despite his long record of moderate, progressive views and broad support by peers."

i hope you're kidding. Read Ramadan's books and u'll see a moderate and progressive man, with interesting views and perspectives. Now watch his underground videotapes and u'll see the fondamentalist hidden behind a fake respectful reputation. This guy is a liar and is taking the credits instead of the real moderate and wise muslims. I know this is off-topic but had to be mentioned. the only things this guy is moderating are his own opinions in order to be accepted as a respectful man. All fake. :puke:


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