Yeah I'm currently working with henes to port SimpleMail to MOS again. This is a beta from latest GIT only, also some people already found some bugs, and the OpenSSL version I used is the latest, but not the official one. News soon!

And guys, it's not so bad to work with/develop on MOS. Also it's quite easy to create a cross-development environment. The matured APIs might seem a bit outdated, but they are also stable and learnable. MUI is in my eyes a very well structured UI system even if there's no RAD-IDE for it.

About the memory protection it might be nice to have it for debugging or other stuff but for experienced programmers there are also other ways to find out the origin of problems. Furthermore there is a Debug Log and serial output/RAMDebug if the system completely hangs.

MOS is from its core an extremely effective and open system. You can even talk with most programmers on IRC in private if you have questions or problems and everyone tries to do as much as he can.

Honestly, don't paint it black, guys. The donations here are, used wisely, a good motivation for people to work on stuff.

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Very Cool !!!! i test it as soon as possible

I have been thinking of a bounty, myself.
But I won't post it unless I can start with about !0% of the $5000 I think it would be worth.
I'd like to see the TinyGL library upgraded to OpenGL ES capability.

To me, this would be more useful than Jacek's proposal.

Right now, if I wanted an easier to use desktop, I'd buy a larger monitor and increase my screen resolution or add a second monitor.
But being able to recompile OpenGL ES based software would be priceless.

This doesn't mean I wouldn't consider supporting Jacek's idea as well, or any other good ideas.

But I do understand the idea of having a forum or mechanism that allows us to make, promote, or support such proposals, and I don't think the discussion is wasted time.

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Is this proposal of yours mean that YOU would be working on coding this upgrade of the TinyGL library?

I think it would be a great idea, but others more knowledgeable than myself will know if upgrading the TinyGL library to OpenGL ES capability is feasible, and if it is desirable for porting more software to MorphOS. I seem to remember some earlier discussion of this topic, or similar topics, where I was confused regarding just how the TinyGL library works, and what is practically possible as an upgrade path for MorphOS (not surprising, as I am easily confused these days).

If you are thinking of working on this yourself, I would be interested in helping out in any way that I can. I have purchased a couple of books within the last 18 months or so, specifically for OpenGL programming, and have thought several times in the past, that working with someone else, or with a group of others, would be a good way to motivate myself to improve my programming skills. I would not be of much help, but I imagine that there are some tasks in any programming project that are simple, tedious, and time consuming, that almost anyone can do, given a small amount of direction and supervision, so I might be able to help with such tasks in some small way. I would not want any part of any bounty money raised for such project. Just the learning experience would be enough compensation for me.

@amigadave

I'd say there are only 3 maybe 4 people (cyfm,jaca, bigfoot and ???) who have both access those parts of the system AND the skills to pull it off.

Also not to be rude (as much fun as that can be from time to time), just buying some books makes you as usefull for such a project as placing those same books under the short foot of your desk.....

Want to improve your skills ? Think up project that you consider to be doable in a month and than report back next year (just an observation on how long I-could-do-that-in-2-weeks-projects tend to take in real life).

> If you are thinking of working on this yourself, I would be interested
> in helping out in any way that I can. I have purchased a couple of books
> [...] specifically for OpenGL programming, and have thought several times
> in the past, that working with someone else, or with a group of others,
> would be a good way to motivate myself to improve my programming skills.

Your OpenGL programming books would be of little help for upgrading an OpenGL implementation. Think of the difference between writing a program in a high-level language and writing a compiler for that high-level language.

> cyfm,jaca, bigfoot and ???

I'd say kiero.

Certainly NOT me...
And what I suggested is actually a pretty massive project.
As to who has the talent to accomplish it, it's not my place to suggest that.

Up.. up up

Another donation for expose (5) / sdl (5) / dune legacy (10) -> BeWorld
and SDL (10)/ Dune (10)> JEEG

The one and only way to get new developers for morphos is to make morphos more stable and provide support for current industry standards.
It is simple.
Nobody outside amiga community will write software for os which has not memory protection and posix compatybility.
Future morphos should be amiga gui and graphics on top of unix.

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That crap again?
POSIX compatibility? Simply stated...NO.
We don't need to bloat up the OS with the crap needed to port Linux software.

And a UNIX, BSD, or Linux kernel?
Again, NO, we already have a unique kernel that has its own advantages.

SO, instead of periodically repeating this mantra, why don't you switch to hosted AROS?
You'll have your Posix compatible kernel, and we won't have to here this suggestion yet again (because it ain't happening).

It is not the same.
API change to not compatible with old software and still old problems?
It is stupid.
Future morphos should be amiga gui and graphics on top of unix.

> API change to not compatible with old software and still old problems?

Just the driver problem, as far as I can see.

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Just count your blessing that he hasn't started to chime in about the Apollo teams efforts again.
Apparently everything would be cured if only we allow for assimilation.

'Resistance is futile' - become YALD!

Already 422 euros ! Thanks to all donors !

This is the projects list :

- Exposé: 200€ (Jacek Piszczek)
- SDL2: 100€ (Itix ?)
- SimpleMail 0.43: 40€ (neoman & henes)
- DuneLegacy 0.96.4: 35€ (Stefan Haubenthal)
- Battle for Wesnoth: 25€ (Not attributed)
- UFO-AI 2.5: 12€ (Not attributed)
- ScummVM 1.9.0: 5€ (Fab ?)
- Gigalomania 0.28: 5€ (Not attributed)
- Freeciv 2.5.6: 0€ (Not attributed)

@Papi

I saw OWB bounty already assigned to Fab. Can you please explain what is that bounty about, is Fab aware of it, is there any description on that? I'm first to put money on updated OWB but I need to be sure that Fab said he will take the bounty.

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I see FreeCiv 2 on the project list. I can't take it myself anytime soon, but I will upload the sources of the 2.4.4 port I made two years ago in case somebody picks it up. "Closed-source open-source" ports are one of my pet peeves.

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Exactly! He must think that if he repeats himself long enough, and often enough, the rest of us will eventually change our minds and say "Oh yes, Amiga like gui on top of unix is the only way to go, and Apollo Team is the spawn of the devil"!

I really wish this forum had a blocking mechanism, like some other forums have, which would allow us to automatically ignore (and therefore not have to even see), any posts made by selected members. His rants are tiresome to read over and over again, when we all know it isn't going to happen, and he offers no new perspective on the topics he is obsessed with.

@BSzili : thanks a lot for your proposition! you can upload them to MorphOS-Storage if you want.

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No reply for my questions?

Hi pampers, sorry, i have sent a email to Fab and i wait his answer.

Great, keep us updated :)

The money cans an extra motivation for example to go to dinner our programmers with their wifes and sons, because if you are spend much time with the hobby programming, the family can think that you are losing your time for nothing.

> if you are spend much time with the hobby programming, the
> family can think that you are losing your time for nothing.

Isn't this true for almost all (chiefly male) hobby activities? ;-)