Software : : Atlantis Update
Posted By: Targhan. on 2004/5/27 17:45:15
While still an early version, oGALAXYo has released a screenshot showing the progression of the browser, Atlantis for MorphOS.

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Galaxy writes, Quote:

Hello, here is a tiny screenshot of Atlantis as it is in it's current stage. It's progressing even if the progress itself is slow. The reason are simple, I have to get myself back into AmigaOS (MorphOS), MUI, reading Autodocs, doing quite a bunch of experiments and of course doing other stuff as well.

Well I wanted to set some signals and tell you people that I am doing my best to keep my word as good I can. Please do not ask for any betas or ask me when the first versions become usable. I can't say this and won't either and I can't see into the future either. It simply takes as long it takes.


The progress, while slow, is an indication that development is still happening with this browser project. The basic GUI is taking shape, and the bookmark system is nearly complete. The URL string is missing, as well as the awaited HTML Class.

As a comparison, see the Gnome Version
 
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    Miky060
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    Go ahead oGALAXYo!
    You rock!! ;-)

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    Neat. :)

    Two questions:
    - will the tree be refined a bit futher to give an indication to the user that it is collapsed and has more branches?

    - does this mean that the bookmarks are pretty much done? What's the next step... HTML Renderer?

    Good work!
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    :-) Great to see

    But as the hardest part is the html renderer
    wouldnt it make more sense to work together
    with one of the existing browser teams ?
    (Espescially with zapek & ollie as V is already native :-D)
  • »2004/5/27 18:56
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    Hello,

    On IRC I was criticisied by some people for seeding wrong hopes and expectations in people by having shown these screenshots.

    First of all let me get some stuff straight. I am doing this work on my own and my free spare time just for fun. I also thought that the roadmap for my work is kinda clear since this was something I repeat many times when people brought up the Atlantis information to other pages but I will repeat it so you know what you can expect.

    As you might know I was working with the Galeon team on GNOME and have contributed a few bits there and here so I already have a clear vision how my project might look like. Later on I worked on Atlantis which also was just a fun project only to get myself into coding, to learn more about the GNOME API and so on.

    Now I play around with MUI (as described above, getting myself back into AmigaOS (MorphOS), reading Autodocs etc...) this as you can image takes quite some time and Atlantis is NOWHERE at the moment. Just a freaking Toolbar, the Bookmarks system and on the right you see an empty field.

    My plans so far are as follows for Atlantis:

    a) using a MUI GUI
    b) instead of using GNOME-VFS use libCURL
    c) use a custom HTMLview.mcc MUI class which exists on Amiga already

    I want to get all this stuff interact. Well you can assume that if I'd started working on KHTML that it might totally overstrain me because I need to re-learn quite some stuff first. Intuition, BOOPSI, Graphics, CyberGFX and so on.

    That's why I thought myself that it might be better to start with the MUI stuff first. Getting a Window, a Toolbar, getting my Bookmarks system ported (nearly done), getting a standard HTML MUI class for now and getting libcurl working. Connect all the stuff together and have the Browser actually doing some stuff.

    This is definately NOT the end, no! it is the start since the tricky stuff with messing around in KHTML is sitll standing infront of me and has not yet started.

    But what I am doing now is at least a good start to do what I like to do, getting the Browser operatable first with what we have today and how I like to see it, merge my changes back in the GNOME version so I have one codebase and then once I decide that Atlantis has reached a point where people can play around with it, I will release it.

    But don't have to much expectations for the rendering quality. It might suck more balls than what you have nowadays. After that I start working on KHTML or look if there is something similar or even better. Not to forget that KHTML is based upon C++ and the GCC compiler within MOS_SDK suck balls in doing C++ stuff (might hopefully change).

    Above you see that Targhan has add another screenshot that demonstrates the use of the MCC_HTMLview Class for MUI (This is NOT KHTML) it temporarely only serves me to get some stuff throwing out of the Window to see whether the junk I am working on works or not.

    Ok I hope that I was able to clear up some stuff here and that my words help to make you understand the things. There are other projects on MorphOS or AmigaOS which seeds wrong hopes for many years but I only wanted to show you people that I am working on the things (at least try to).

    greetings,

    oGALAXYo
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    Ignore the trolls and go ahead with your work on Atlantis. We believe that we will have a final version of Atlantis for MorphOS soon. 8-)
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    YUP....ignore the trolls, unless they were coders offering to help (I know, fat chance! )

    Keep on trucking!
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    Yay! Screenshoot release! :-) Now we're soooo close to catchup on OS4. :-> Just kiddin', good work oGALAXYo, as always.
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    Both thumbs up! :-) :-D
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    MorphOS NG will be AROS done right! :-)
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    Thumbs up from me too, Galaxy. I'd like to point out that, as he is saying, Atlantis' main function (showing HTML documents) gets done using Allan Odgaard's "HTMLview" MUI custom class. This was only one of his Amiga projects, and its specifications, as the mirror of its home page reads, are as follow:

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    "HTMLview is a MUI class that will load, parse and display HTML formatted text.
    The class supports most of the HTML 4.0 standard as defined by W3C, it is infact often more accurate than most browsers, but unfortunately this is rarely seen as a feature.
    It is very well suited for mail programs or similar, which just wants to display HTML fast, and the class really is fast, I have still not seen anything like it :-)"


    Here is a brief summary of its abilities. Remember, we're talking 1999-2000 here...

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    Features:
    - Incremental rendering of the page, using a seperate process for the parsing, which allows the MUI application to be fully responsive while chewing on a document.
    - Progressive display of images for which a decoder module exists (currently GIF / GIFAnim, JPEG & PNG)
    - Text can be marked and copied to the clipboard.
    Allows searching in the document.
    - Extensive HTML support, including floating tables with background images, frames, forms etc.
    - And, it's very fast...


    I can testify that this class indeed was very fast (faster that anything else at the moment), and very stable. I'm very certain that the Amiga has lost a great programmer in Allan. By the way, Allan's home page was generated with a script in REBOL, no less.
    Why am I saying all this? Because I was, for a long time, betatester of his "IProbe" web browser. This program, perhaps the most obscure among Amiga browsers, was a joy to use, and turned to be my main browser back in the days when I only used the Amiga to browse Amiga sites: It was more than adequate, confortable and fast.
    IProbe was, basicaly, an HTMLtext instance with some simple but capable http net functions. I think it also had bookmarking. We can't check it out now because Allan dropped the project's home page, even before retiring from Amiga programming. IProbe never got a public release, surely because Allan could not find enough time, but already was a fantastic program.
    Bad news: I can't find any means of downloading IProbe now, not even the HTMLview class distribution, which contained an example that made a perfect offline web page reader.

    See ya!
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    Looking great :-D
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    Acill
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    It looks very clean so far. Please keep working on it. We all would like to see it in its final form! Great job on your part! Thanks.
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    I'd like to encourage you to keep working on :-) The reach the end is still a huge task ahead, but it has been started and still being worked on, and that's what really matters. Nice job so far!
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    gunne
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    Hi

    I just would like to agree with Miky060.

    Very nice.

    Gunne
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    i never would have achieved what I have done if I listened to the nay-sayers. some people just like to bit.ch and moan.
    keep up the good work.

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