Software : : Calimero beta 0.14
Posted By: pegasos-sigi2. on 2015/6/2 14:34:15
Calimero beta 0.14

New:
+ Layer system for objects
+ Copy/Cut/Paste objects in the clipboard
+ Clone objects
+ Bugfixing
 
  • Order of the Butterfly
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    I have major issues with this version on my G5. When it starts the cursor just flashes very quickly and if I try to type or do anything it gets extremely sluggish and eventually freezes. I can not exit the program. I think the last version may have been the same. I will have to give it a try on my MacMini later and see if the same happens.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    I have major issues with this version on my G5. When it starts the cursor just flashes very quickly and if I try to type or do anything it gets extremely sluggish and eventually freezes. I can not exit the program. I think the last version may have been the same. I will have to give it a try on my MacMini later and see if the same happens.


    Delete the old calimero settings in ENV: "AND" ENVARC: and try it again.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    I deleted the prefs and it's working much better now. I noticed that if some letters are typed and then you backspace/delete all the way back to the very first character 1 or more letters will remain on the display. Same happens if you highlight all the text in a document at once and hit delete/backspace it leaves all the letters on the display instead of blanking the page.

    Scrolling up/down the page with the mouse wheel doesn't seem to work correctly. When moving the cursor up/down through the document with the keyboard the scroll bars do not move to keep the view synced with the cursor position. Instead you have to manually drag the scroll bars to reveal the part of the document the cursor is within.

    It would also be nice to be able to scroll from page to page instead of only by selecting a page from the 'contents' drop down menu. Sometimes the cursor gets confused and disappears if you push up/down at the start/end of the document. The sluggish refresh remains which I guess is an issue with Cairo performance and not really the fault of your application...
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    I deleted the prefs and it's working much better now. I noticed that if some letters are typed and then you backspace/delete all the way back to the very first character 1 or more letters will remain on the display. Same happens if you highlight all the text in a document at once and hit delete/backspace it leaves all the letters on the display instead of blanking the page.

    Backspace and delete are not the same. Backspace delete characters on the right side of the cursor. The Del - Key delete on the left side.


    Scrolling up/down the page with the mouse wheel doesn't seem to work correctly. When moving the cursor up/down through the document with the keyboard the scroll bars do not move to keep the view synced with the cursor position. Instead you have to manually drag the scroll bars to reveal the part of the document the cursor is within.

    This feature is disabled in the GUI. I will enabled it in the next release.


    It would also be nice to be able to scroll from page to page instead of only by selecting a page from the 'contents' drop down menu. Sometimes the cursor gets confused and disappears if you push up/down at the start/end of the document. The sluggish refresh remains which I guess is an issue with Cairo performance and not really the fault of your application...


    You can use the page-up /down keys to select a page.

    [ Edited by pegasos-sigi2 On 2015/6/3 21:12 ]

    [ Edited by pegasos-sigi2 On 2015/6/3 21:12 ]
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    I agree with the comments of realstar about this version of Calimero.

    The cursor issue is still a problem and is not working as I believe it should or is as intended. It does not follow a logical path through the document when the cursor keys are pressed, and the cursor does not position itself as precisely as you would expect it to, it just seems a little bit 'off' out-of-position, slightly too high on a line of text, and slightly too close to the character.

    Image text wrap is completely weird.

    If you choose wrap top/bottom, for which there is no option to choose an offset to position the text exactly where you want it to be, then when you get below the image the text sits under/on the very edge of the base of the image detail, so there is no 'white-space' between the image, and the text, and when you type a word or two, then the second and third words, etc., are overlaid on top of one another at the left side of the page, even though the first word may have been positioned just under the image.

    I used the Return/Enter/Send key to 'force' a line feed to put the word where I wanted on the page to ensure there was a space between the image, and the text below it, and after the first word being in the correct place, the following words all went up to the line just below the image, and each word was overlaid on top of the other, so you could not make out the words at all.

    I am still hopeful that this program is improving, but I still feel that the basics need to be fixed before other more 'tempting' features are added to the program, much as I really like those 'tempting' features. ;-)
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    I agree with the comments of realstar about this version of Calimero.

    The cursor issue is still a problem and is not working as I believe it should or is as intended. It does not follow a logical path through the document when the cursor keys are pressed, and the cursor does not position itself as precisely as you would expect it to, it just seems a little bit 'off' out-of-position, slightly too high on a line of text, and slightly too close to the character.

    The TTF fonts are no fonts with fixed with and heigt. A "i" have a other with and height than a "W". So its impossible to move the cursor
    exact vertical f. Example. What shall i do ?? I am not a wizzard. The same problem is here in OWB. look at the texteditor of this forum.


    Image text wrap is completely weird.

    Ok... one bug is the wraping ... but not completley weird... It does what it must do.



    If you choose wrap top/bottom, for which there is no option to choose an offset to position the text exactly where you want it to be, then when you get below the image the text sits under/on the very edge of the base of the image detail, so there is no 'white-space' between the image, and the text, and when you type a word or two, then the second and third words, etc., are overlaid on top of one another at the left side of the page, even though the first word may have been positioned just under the image.


    I used the Return/Enter/Send key to 'force' a line feed to put the word where I wanted on the page to ensure there was a space between the image, and the text below it, and after the first word being in the correct place, the following words all went up to the line just below the image, and each word was overlaid on top of the other, so you could not make out the words at all.

    The "Return/Enter/Send" disturbe the wraping. It works at this time only without this "CR - Flags" in the characterlist.

    I am still hopeful that this program is improving, but I still feel that the basics need to be fixed before other more 'tempting' features are added to the program, much as I really like those 'tempting' features. ;-)[/quote

    I work at this time intensive at the object system. Calimero is a DTP program and it must easy to handle flexible with any object.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    NewSense wrote: I agree with the comments of realstar about this version of Calimero.

    The cursor issue is still a problem and is not working as I believe it should or is as intended. It does not follow a logical path through the document when the cursor keys are pressed, and the cursor does not position itself as precisely as you would expect it to, it just seems a little bit 'off' out-of-position, slightly too high on a line of text, and slightly too close to the character.

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    pegasos-sigi2 wrote: The TTF fonts are not fonts with fixed width and height. An "i" has a different width and height than a "W". So its impossible to move the (Cmd to the exact vertical f. Example. What shall i do ?? I am not a wizard.

    Please take these comments as intended - to point out to you what is not currently working as it should - my comments never are/were meant or intended to get you upset or annoyed, I am just saying that some things do not work as they need to.
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    pegasos-sigi2 wrote: The same problem is here in OWB. look at the texteditor of this forum.

    Actually the text editor used in this forum is absolutely great, and it allows the use of the 'Home' and 'End' keys to move from one side of a paragraph/line of text, or you can even use with the Ctrl + Delete or cursor keys or Shift key to handle quick word deletion, quick word movement on a line which Calimero does not, and needs to be able to. The forum text editor functionality is some of what is needed in the wordprocessor part of Calimero to make it an effective text/word-processor, which would, most probably, be the most useful, and be a fundamental part of Calimero, which is basically what I have been saying all along.

    What is more, from what you seem to be saying, if they are using the same engine as you are then they have it working correctly, and yours needs to work like this forum's text editor as I have no issues with the way it works - it works without any real issues as far as I am concerned or aware - it even has an Undo/Redo feature (Cmd + z / Shift + Cmd + z) that does not feature in the context menu.

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    [NewSense wrote: Image text wrap is completely weird.

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    pegasos-sigi2 wrote: Ok... one bug is the wrapping ... but not completely weird... It does what it must do.[/b]

    When you get text overlaying another piece of text over the same wordspace, and it's just the following word that has 'back-tracked' as a result of your code, then I feel I have the right to call that weird, which it clearly is - I have never had a wordprocessor or DTP program ever do that at any time previously - so it remains weird - for me at least, even if you will not concede the point I am making.

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    NewSense wrote: If you choose wrap top/bottom, for which there is no option to choose an offset to position the text exactly where you want it to be, then when you get below the image the text sits under/on the very edge of the base of the image detail, so there is no 'white-space' between the image, and the text, and when you type a word or two, then the second and third words, etc., are overlaid on top of one another at the left side of the page, even though the first word may have been positioned just under the image.

    I used the Return/Enter/Send key to 'force' a line feed to put the word where I wanted on the page to ensure there was a space between the image, and the text below it, and after the first word being in the correct place, the following words all went up to the line just below the image, and each word was overlaid on top of the other, so you could not make out the words at all.


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    pegasos-sigi2 wrote: The "Return/Enter/Send" disturbs the wrapping. It works at this time only without this "CR - Flags" in the character list.

    Frankly Carsten, this 'disturbed wrapping' behaviour should not be happening, and you should have code that does not get 'upset' by additional CR-Flags, or any other character affecting the image-text-wrap, so I hope you manage to get it resolved soon.

    There also needs to be a user selectable image-text-wrap offset feature to allow the text to 'sit' anywhere that the user wants the text to sit - a specific distance away from the image or any other object for that matter.
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    [NewSense wrote:][/b] I am still hopeful that this program is improving, but I still feel that the basics need to be fixed before other more 'tempting' features are added to the program, much as I really like those 'tempting' features. ;-)


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    pegasos-sigi2 wrote: work at this time intensive at the object system. Calimero is a DTP program and it must easy to handle flexible with any object.

    I know you are likely to be busy with the program, I just wish you would fix the basic parts of the program, so that anyone can get the best out of its word-processing features, before adding in any extra features, which we all want, but not if/when it compromises other intrinsic features of any DTP/word-processing software.

    [ Edited by NewSense On 2015/6/7 1:41 ]
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