MorphOS : : Public Release of MorphOS 3.8 Featuring Sam460 Support
Posted By: ASiegel. on 2015/5/15 11:51:56

The MorphOS development team is proud to announce the public release of MorphOS 3.8, which introduces support for ACube´s Sam460 series of mainboards and numerous Radeon graphics cards from AMD´s X1000 and HD series. In addition to various performance improvements related to the Quark kernel, Exec, 3D graphics and video playback, MorphOS 3.8 also adds the ability to use state-of-the-art 4K displays in their native resolution. For a more extensive overview of the included changes, please read our release notes.

As usual, existing MorphOS users can update to the latest release entirely for free. Sam460 owners who are interested to register MorphOS for their system will be able to do so for 49 EUR.

We strongly urge new users to carefully read our installation and troubleshooting guides before they attempt to install MorphOS for the first time. Existing users can upgrade via the familiar procedure but are encouraged to read the guides as well. MorphOS 3.8 is available for download in our files section.

 
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    > support for [...] AMD´s [...] HD series

    Nice, but only 2D drivers unfortunately. I remember one or several MorphOS team members stating that support would either be released with 3D drivers or not at all.

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf On 2015/5/15 13:20 ]
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    Yeah, great news! Thx MorphOS Team.

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    Amazing improvements in the TinyGL front! VBOs, compressed textures, sorely missed glGet*() functions finally implemented... :')
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    Does it boot from the mainboard SD? If I put MOS on the SD how does it work the dualboot. Which would be the max SD size?
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    > support for [...] AMD´s [...] HD series

    Nice, but only 2D drivers unfortuntely. I remember one or several MorphOS team members stating that support would either be released with 3D drivers or not at all.


    And without acceleration I'm afraid so basically usable only to get some display ;)

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    Does it boot from the mainboard SD? If I put MOS on the SD how does it work the dualboot. Which would be the max SD size?


    Sure it does, there is SD card image available to download. For the moment there is no Dualboot solution. Personally I had two hard drives, one with MorphOS and second one with OS4 installation, while booting I was just choosing from Sam's boot menu which one too boot.
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    @BSzili

    so does Wazp3d now renders the graphics 100% correctly? i remember you saying that there were some missing functions in TinyGL that caused some wrong rendering. So we can now wait for an updated version of wazp3d for morphos or is that not needed?
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    "Added support for up to 2 GiB of memory for G5 systems
    - Note that ABox still sees a maximum of 1.5 GiB "

    So....there isnt support for 2gb. Right? Am I reading this correctly?
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    @BSzili

    so does Wazp3d now renders the graphics 100% correctly? i remember you saying that there were some missing functions in TinyGL that caused some wrong rendering. So we can now wait for an updated version of wazp3d for morphos or is that not needed?

    It's not a missing function, but a bug in an existing one (glTexCoordPointer). I haven't seen any mention of this, so it's safe the assume that the bug is still there.
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    > "Added support for up to 2 GiB of memory for G5 systems
    > - Note that ABox still sees a maximum of 1.5 GiB "
    > So....there isnt support for 2gb. Right? Am I reading this correctly?

    It's the same now as on all other MorphOS-supported platforms.

    http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9181&forum=3&start=2
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    Once again.. thanks @Andreas_Wolf.

    Looking forward to installing..this is a update with lots of changes I like :-)
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    I just tried running Star Wars Jedi Knight both on my PowerBook G4 and PowerMac G5. Both have corrupted graphics.
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    Thanks for this new update and all your imrpovements!


    * added 3840x2160@30Hz default mode
    do 60 Hz work as well?

    What 4k graphics card is recommended? I want to use a passive one. Does it work in PowerMac G5 as well?

    What about the framebuffer speed of the graphics cards? Is it much slower than a standard 2D driver?

    And does the G5 still runs at full power or can energy be saved by disabling processor cores because MOS does not make use of them until now.

    And regarding the many changes to the 2GiB barrier: what is the new barrier now?
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    I just tried running Star Wars Jedi Knight both on my PowerBook G4 and PowerMac G5. Both have corrupted graphics.

    Sadly the texture compression seems to buggy in this release :( You can turn it off via the "r_ext_compressed_textures 0" command.

    [ Edited by BSzili On 2015/5/15 14:15 ]

    [ Edited by BSzili On 2015/5/15 14:20 ]
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    "Added support for up to 2 GiB of memory for G5 systems
    - Note that ABox still sees a maximum of 1.5 GiB "

    So....there isnt support for 2gb. Right? Am I reading this correctly?


    Depends on how you look at it. Quark can use the full 2GB, but Abox is limited to 1.5GB. This means that with 2GB or more of memory installed in your G5, Abox gets a full 1.5GB of memory, and Quark uses the remaining 0.5GB. If you only had 1.5GB installed, you'd get less than 1.5GB of memory available in Abox due to Quark memory usage.

    Previously the total amount of memory available to Quark was limited to 1GB, so with this change, you get a bit more than half a GB of more memory available in Abox if you have 2+GB of memory in your G5 machine.

    Basically this change brings the G5 port to the same level as all other ports of MorphOS in regards to how much memory can be used.

    Edit: Fixed a typo as pointed out by Henes.
    Edit2: Fixed another typo as pointed out by Geit. Any other takers? :)

    [ Edited by bigfoot On 2015/5/15 14:23 ]

    [ Edited by bigfoot On 2015/5/15 14:25 ]
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    Quote:

    I just tried running Star Wars Jedi Knight both on my PowerBook G4 and PowerMac G5. Both have corrupted graphics.

    Sadly the texture compression seems to buggy in this release :( You can turn it off via the "r_ext_compressed_textures 0" command.

    [ Edited by BSzili On 2015/5/15 14:15 ]

    [ Edited by BSzili On 2015/5/15 14:20 ]


    Since You did a build without official sdk being out there might be some mixup with constants. Also, there is a possibility that JK uses precompressed textures in one of unsupported formats (DXT1 for example) and this causes issues. We will investigate.
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    Quote:

    Quote:

    Quote:

    I just tried running Star Wars Jedi Knight both on my PowerBook G4 and PowerMac G5. Both have corrupted graphics.

    Sadly the texture compression seems to buggy in this release :( You can turn it off via the "r_ext_compressed_textures 0" command.

    [ Edited by BSzili On 2015/5/15 14:15 ]

    [ Edited by BSzili On 2015/5/15 14:20 ]


    Since You did a build without official sdk being out there might be some mixup with constants. Also, there is a possibility that JK uses precompressed textures in one of unsupported formats (DXT1 for example) and this causes issues. We will investigate.

    OpenJK doesn't use precompressed textures. These are the constants I used:
    https://github.com/BSzili/OpenJK/blob/amiga/code/aros/qgl_linked.h#L417
    They come from the glext.h that was released with the games' sources. Thanks for looking into the problem.

    [ Edited by BSzili On 2015/5/15 14:33 ]

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    What 4k graphics card is recommended? I want to use a passive one. Does it work in PowerMac G5 as well?


    Satisfying all those requirements is gonna be difficult. All Radeon from the X-series and up should now support 4k displays, including these cards' FireGL counterparts.

    However, when it comes to Mac-compatible AGP cards, you're pretty much limited to the Radeon X800 XT and Radeon X850 XT, both in Mac editions, and both actively cooled to my knowledge.

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    What about the framebuffer speed of the graphics cards? Is it much slower than a standard 2D driver?


    Yes. Not really usable for anything else than testing.

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    And does the G5 still runs at full power or can energy be saved by disabling processor cores because MOS does not make use of them until now.


    No change in that regard in this release.

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    And regarding the many changes to the 2GiB barrier: what is the new barrier now?


    That's a bigger and more complicated topic, which I might write about when I have more time :)
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    Just tried MOS 3.8 on Sam460 + Radeon R7 265.

    Unfortunately since R7 265 (Pitcairn RadeonHD 7800) is not supported it stops after loading Uboot "Could not find any valid modes."

    Edit: I also tried booting from on board SM-502, it also didn't work...Same message from UBoot althogh I chose "boot from on-board graphics card"

    I hope that MOS 3.9 support R7/R9 series...

    [ Edited by eightwonder On 2015/5/15 16:24 ]
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    The MorphOS Team is kicking ass and taking names as always! This looks like a massive release! Good timing, I just reclaimed my workshop. I'll be setting up and updating both my G4 MDD and G5 PowerMac this weekend to update and enjoy.

    So what is the very best GFX card for a G5 AGP? ATI FireGL X3? X850 XT? I know model numbers can be misleading, such as 9200 and 9000 being slower than 8500. So what is the best of the best for AGP G5?
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    Just tried MOS 3.8 on Sam460 + Radeon R7 265.

    Unfortunately since R7 265 (Pitcairn RadeonHD 7800) is not supported it stops after loading Uboot "Could not find any valid modes."

    Edit: I also tried booting from on board SM-502, it also didn't work...Same message from UBoot althogh I chose "boot from on-board graphics card"

    I hope that MOS 3.9 support R7/R9 series...

    [ Edited by eightwonder On 2015/5/15 16:24 ]


    Assuming you get this message over the serial port:
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    !!! OpenScreen(): Could not find any valid modeids. No graphics card? !!!


    The SM502 video driver is disabled when a Radeon is installed in the system. You'll have to use either a supported Radeon or remove the Radeon you currently have installed.
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    So what is the very best GFX card for a G5 AGP? ATI FireGL X3? X850 XT? I know model numbers can be misleading, such as 9200 and 9000 being slower than 8500. So what is the best of the best for AGP G5?


    The X800 XT or X850 XT is probably the fastest you can get. Of course, both are actively cooled, so you'll have to be OK with that. The two are nearly identical in terms of speed, so it doesn't really matter which one.

    To the best of my knowledge, there's no Mac version of the FireGL X3, and reflashed cards are not officially supported by MorphOS, even if they appear to work. Often cards get flashed with a firmware that sets up the chip wrong and/or sets up the chip and memory clocks wrong.

    Edit: Apparently my fingers are typing whatever they want to type today.

    [ Edited by bigfoot On 2015/5/15 16:10 ]
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    The X800 XT or X850 XT is probably the fastest you can get. Of course, both are actively cooled, so you'll have to be OK with that. The two are nearly identical in terms of speed, so it doesn't really matter which one.

    To the best of my knowledge, there's no Mac version of the FireGL X3, and reflashed cards are not officially supported by MorphOS, even if they appear to work. Often cards get flashed with a firmware that sets up the chip wrong and/or sets up the chip and memory clocks wrong.


    Thanks, I forgot the FireGL X3 didn't have an official Mac version. After experience of using flashed cards on both my G4 and G4 and seeing them benchmark worse than official boards, I will be seeking an official Mac Edition. I guess I will look for an X800.

    Thanks!
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    Great news! Many important new features and fixes! Good job!

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    Hi, I am facing some problem here:
    Had to boot the cd via the OF command "boot cd;,\mac_ppc32\boot.img" because the boot kernel wasn't identified during booting by pressing the "c" buton (it was reverting back to 3.7 in a loop for some reason).

    Afterwards, 3.8 installation was slow (took more minutes than the usual and moving iWizard window was crawling already).

    Once updated from 3.7, I booted into 3.8 but everything is ultra sluggish, as if it runs on software rendering: Window navigation, opening txt files, whatever I do. CPU usage is constantly between 80 to 100% percent. Task manager reveals the following:
    PID Name Usage
    1144 LayerInfoTask 85% (or more)

    System is PMAC 3.1 upgraded to G4 1.6Ghz with Radeon PRO 256MB flashed & universally keyed.

    Any ideas?
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    check debuglog, probably gfx acceleration has been turned off (by the driver)
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    Hi, I am facing some problem here:
    Had to boot the cd via the OF command "boot cd;,\mac_ppc32\boot.img" because the boot kernel wasn't identified during booting by pressing the "c" buton (it was reverting back to 3.7 in a loop for some reason).

    Afterwards, 3.8 installation was slow (took more minutes than the usual and moving iWizard window was crawling already).

    Once updated from 3.7, I booted into 3.8 but everything is ultra sluggish, as if it runs on software rendering: Window navigation, opening txt files, whatever I do. CPU usage is constantly between 80 to 100% percent. Task manager reveals the following:
    PID Name Usage
    1144 LayerInfoTask 85% (or more)

    System is PMAC 3.1 upgraded to G4 1.6Ghz with Radeon PRO 256MB flashed & universally keyed.

    Any ideas?


    A flashed GFX card is'nt gneraly a good idea.
    This kind of cards are official unsupported by the morphos team.

    Look at the text from bigfoot any posts above.
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    Hi, I am facing some problem here:
    Had to boot the cd via the OF command "boot cd;,\mac_ppc32\boot.img" because the boot kernel wasn't identified during booting by pressing the "c" buton (it was reverting back to 3.7 in a loop for some reason).

    Afterwards, 3.8 installation was slow (took more minutes than the usual and moving iWizard window was crawling already).

    Once updated from 3.7, I booted into 3.8 but everything is ultra sluggish, as if it runs on software rendering: Window navigation, opening txt files, whatever I do. CPU usage is constantly between 80 to 100% percent. Task manager reveals the following:
    PID Name Usage
    1144 LayerInfoTask 85% (or more)

    System is PMAC 3.1 upgraded to G4 1.6Ghz with Radeon PRO 256MB flashed & universally keyed.

    Any ideas?


    A flashed GFX card is'nt gneraly a good idea.
    This kind of cards are official unsupported by the morphos team.

    Look at the text from bigfoot any posts above.


    Yeah, I reverted back to 52.21 driver version and the problem is gone, though the system looks a bit unstable to me. Will test additional software just in case..

    Anyway, a different question, I had MagicBeacon running on WBstartup, as a Project that points to default tool at SYS:MorphOS/Data/MagicBeacon/MagicBeacon. This drawer doesn't seem to exist in 3.8 though and had to manually copy it back. Is this normal?
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    Works like a charm here on my Powerbook, though here (while installing) booting with "c" wouldn't load the proper boot.img as well. Booting from of OF worked fine though.

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    Hi, I am facing some problem here:
    Had to boot the cd via the OF command "boot cd;,\mac_ppc32\boot.img" because the boot kernel wasn't identified during booting by pressing the "c" buton (it was reverting back to 3.7 in a loop for some reason).

    Afterwards, 3.8 installation was slow (took more minutes than the usual and moving iWizard window was crawling already).

    Once updated from 3.7, I booted into 3.8 but everything is ultra sluggish, as if it runs on software rendering: Window navigation, opening txt files, whatever I do. CPU usage is constantly between 80 to 100% percent. Task manager reveals the following:
    PID Name Usage
    1144 LayerInfoTask 85% (or more)

    System is PMAC 3.1 upgraded to G4 1.6Ghz with Radeon PRO 256MB flashed & universally keyed.

    Any ideas?


    A flashed GFX card is'nt gneraly a good idea.
    This kind of cards are official unsupported by the morphos team.

    Look at the text from bigfoot any posts above.


    Personally, I have moved away from recommending flashed cards, but Stefano's case is a little unusual.
    He has an older PowerMac with a 2X AGP slot.
    Most Apple R300 cards don't work in his type of system, and the few that do have 128mb of vram or less.
    His card is a flashed PC card (I ought to know, I flashed it), but it allows him to have 256mb of vram and it is universally keyed (so it will work in any AGP slot).
    It also has an R360 gpu, but for the sake of quiet/cool operation it is set up with an R300 Apple rom.

    I can't remember if this is a reduced rom (64k) or the full 128k Apple rom, but until now it has worked fine.
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    The X800 XT or X850 XT is probably the fastest you can get. Of course, both are actively cooled, so you'll have to be OK with that. The two are nearly identical in terms of speed, so it doesn't really matter which one.

    To the best of my knowledge, there's no Mac version of the FireGL X3, and reflashed cards are not officially supported by MorphOS, even if they appear to work. Often cards get flashed with a firmware that sets up the chip wrong and/or sets up the chip and memory clocks wrong.


    Thanks, I forgot the FireGL X3 didn't have an official Mac version. After experience of using flashed cards on both my G4 and G4 and seeing them benchmark worse than official boards, I will be seeking an official Mac Edition. I guess I will look for an X800.

    Thanks!


    For some reason, Apple X800XT cards can often be had at good prices on eBay.
    Its a pretty nice card.
    You can ask Yasu his opinion on it since as far as I know he has been using one longer than anyone else other than the developers.

    Personally,I have a Radeon 9800XT which is good, but with twice the stream processors the X800XT is a real powerhouse.

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    Unfortunatly the MagicBeacon issue is there, because it was ment to be delivered along with MorphOS.

    It was rejected in the benefit of the MorphOS internal notification manager.
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    > regarding the many changes to the 2GiB barrier: what is the new barrier now?

    There's a new one?
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    Great news! I will test the new release asap. Thanks MorphOS team!
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    :-D :-D :-D

    Works like a charm here on my Powerbook, though here (while installing) booting with "c" wouldn't load the proper boot.img as well. Booting from of OF worked fine though.

    My thanks go out to the MorphOS-Team for yet another update with all it brings, in short it r0xxorz!!!111 :-P


    And now also installed on my G5/2300 DP....wow! Very noticable improvements (hd access for example) and that extra 500mb ram is nice as well ;-)

    Again, thumbs up!
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    Anyway, a different question, I had MagicBeacon running on WBstartup, as a Project that points to default tool at SYS:MorphOS/Data/MagicBeacon/MagicBeacon. This drawer doesn't seem to exist in 3.8 though and had to manually copy it back. Is this normal?


    Hmm.. I don't remember if I changed that manually myself then, but I have MagicBeacon installed on SYS: instead of SYS:MorphOS/ and that way it survives just fine over the system upgrades. And it's been working fine otherwise too, so maybe you should install it that way too :)

    But anyway, practically all modifications in SYS:MorphOS are always lost in system upgrade, and all 3rd party stuff should always be installed to SYS:

    [ Edited by jPV On 2015/5/16 16:27 ]
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    > support for [...] AMD´s [...] HD series

    Nice, but only 2D drivers unfortunately. I remember one or several MorphOS team members stating that support would either be released with 3D drivers or not at all.

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf On 2015/5/15 13:20 ]


    The airpot support for Mac Mini, is available?

    And thanks for the update MorphOS team.
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    * added 3840x2160@30Hz default mode
    do 60 Hz work as well?


    AFAIK for this you would need a GFX card + monitor with HDMI2.0 or (preferably) DisplayPort 1.3 support.

    IMHO 4k is still a bit ahead of its time, even on modern PC's. Not to mention "our" backwater HW! ;-)

    [ Edited by takemehomegrandma On 2015/5/17 0:27 ]
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    The airpot support for Mac Mini, is available?


    Since almost a year AFAIK (MorphOS 3.6)...

    :-)
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    Great, scanning with my Epson Perfection 1650 and printing directly to
    a HP Laserjet P2055 and a HP Laserjet Pro 200 Color over ethernet with Scandal
    worked out of the box!

    I am just missing a dialog for choosing the printer!
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    But anyway, practically all modifications in SYS:MorphOS are always lost in system upgrade, and all 3rd party stuff should always be installed to SYS:



    As said before it was planned to deliver MagicBeacon with MorphOS. That is why it was designed to be installed/updated that way.
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    On 4k displays, how does one set up such a system with a dual dvi video card?

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    What 4k graphics card is recommended? I want to use a passive one. Does it work in PowerMac G5 as well?


    Satisfying all those requirements is gonna be difficult. All Radeon from the X-series and up should now support 4k displays, including these cards' FireGL counterparts.

    However, when it comes to Mac-compatible AGP cards, you're pretty much limited to the Radeon X800 XT and Radeon X850 XT, both in Mac editions, and both actively cooled to my knowledge.

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    What about the framebuffer speed of the graphics cards? Is it much slower than a standard 2D driver?


    Yes. Not really usable for anything else than testing.

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    And does the G5 still runs at full power or can energy be saved by disabling processor cores because MOS does not make use of them until now.


    No change in that regard in this release.

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    And regarding the many changes to the 2GiB barrier: what is the new barrier now?


    That's a bigger and more complicated topic, which I might write about when I have more time :)
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    However, when it comes to Mac-compatible AGP cards, you're pretty much limited to the Radeon X800 XT and Radeon X850 XT, both in Mac editions, and both actively cooled to my knowledge.


    Are there plans to make an AtomBIOS parser work with AGP&PCI-Express cards? Despiting the problem of losing smartfirmware screen I think buying PC AGP/PCIe cards would be easier than finding Mac ones or reflashing PC ones. In the case of AGP G5 it would allow using much more modern cards too.
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    @bigfoot
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    However, when it comes to Mac-compatible AGP cards, you're pretty much limited to the Radeon X800 XT and Radeon X850 XT, both in Mac editions, and both actively cooled to my knowledge.


    Are there plans to make an AtomBIOS parser work with AGP&PCI-Express cards? Despiting the problem of losing smartfirmware screen I think buying PC AGP/PCIe cards would be easier than finding Mac ones or reflashing PC ones. In the case of AGP G5 it would allow using much more modern cards too.


    In fact, you can already use standard PC-BIOS/AtomBIOS equipped R5xx range AGP cards with AGP G5 models and MorphOS 3.8 but you definitely will lose the early OpenFirmware display and related boot screens.

    [ Editiert durch pega-1 Ein 2015/5/21 11:48 ]
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    Thanks Frank! A friend of me gave me a AGP Radeon x800 that needs a new capacitor but other than that it seems ok so maybe I give it a go, it would be a nice speed up over the standard R9600. I guess I'll end up looking for an AGP x1900 or something like that.
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    It's two months out but maybe someone still reads it. I want to ask two questions to the release notes:

    1) MorphOS/C/Newer
    FILEDATES=DATES switch - compares file modification time instead of version strings

    How can I use this tool? Can someone give me a direct example, please?

    2) FatFS
    Added support for file attributes

    What does it mean and how can I see what is new?
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