MorphOS : : Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Posted By: pampers. on 2012/11/1 12:14:25
MorphOS.pl in co-operation with Mark 'BigFoot' Olsen is pleased to announce that bounty for MorphOS port to a PowerMac G5 has been opened. Please read more for bounty details.

The bounty goal is to port MorphOS on PowerMac G5 computer. Bounty requirements are as follows:
  • The port of MorphOS must work on one model of PowerMac G5: A1047 (7,3 - M9747LL/A).
  • Support of other PowerMac G5 models is not precluded, but is not required.
  • Support of Bluetooth module and AirPort (WiFi) module is not required.
  • Only one CPU will be supported.
  • Bounty donations are not related to MorphOS license. Any contributor wanting to buy a MorphOS license for PowerMac G5, will pay the regular price.
  • Bounty timeframe: 3 months after the programmer receives the machine (see below).
  • The bounty minimal sum is set to 3000 EUR.
  • The port will be developed by Mark "Bigfoot" Olsen.
Co-owner of MorphOS.pl portal Wiktor "Pampers" Glowacki will contribute a PowerMac G5 machine and its shipping to South Africa, where Mark Olsen lives currently. After bounty completes, the machine becomes a property of the bounty developer.

Fell free to contribute here: MorphOS.pl
 
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    It makes me wonder how sw compatible a G5 port will be and how it will affect the R300 3D driver development.
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    My personal limited experience with MorphOS on a G5 suggest that compability won't be an issue and that this port is mostly about writing drivers for various devices.
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  • »2012/11/1 12:41
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    It makes me wonder how sw compatible a G5 port will be and how it will affect the R300 3D driver development.


    I don't think it will affect 3D driver development. Collecting 3k euros will take some time, the same with sending machine over to South Africa.
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    Oh my God! I can't believe what I read! After a lot of reading about discarding this option and go directly to another architecture (ARM/X86) I can't believe this will happen! I'm very happy and excited to the idea. As soon I'll be in better finances i'll give my contribution.

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    I am curious how much the shipping of the G5 Mac is going to cost. SInce the machine is rather heavy and bulky and as South Africa is a long distance destination, I am afraid it is not going to be cheap.
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    ..but now the question: why the M9747 (Dual G5@2.0GHz) and not the M9749 (Dual G5@2,7GHz) that is the fastest one and the one that Bigfoot owned in the past and where he already showed MorphOS running?

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    ..but now the question: why the M9747 (Dual G5@2.0GHz) and not the M9749 (Dual G5@2,7GHz) that is the fastest one and the one that Bigfoot owned in the past and where he already showed MorphOS running?


    I'm in talks with BigFoot about that model as well.

    @Asiegel: from Poland it's gonna be about 250 euros, not that bad.
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  • »2012/11/1 13:03
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    I guess he has to start somewhere and the 2x2.0 is as good as anywhere else.

    Shipping a 2.5 or 2.7 might also be problematic (leaking liquid-cooling-system) while those at 2.3 and lower only have fans.

    Adapting a working version from the 2.0GHz to all other non-PCI-E models should be possible later on (might even work out of the box for some).
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    > It makes me wonder how sw compatible a G5 port will be

    The G5 is usermode-compatible with G2/G3/G4, so there're no compatibility problems to expect with running existing MorphOS software. However, some instructions might not suit the G5 too well and are thus executed rather slowly:

    http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/search/label/ppc970

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf On 2012/11/21 1:53 ]
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    > Shipping a 2.5 or 2.7 might also be problematic (leaking liquid-cooling-system)

    Apart from that, the 2.5 GHz model would also be problematic due to missing AGP port, as this would require Radeon R500 (or nVidia) drivers.

    http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7648&forum=3&start=14
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    > Shipping a 2.5 or 2.7 might also be problematic (leaking liquid-cooling-system)

    Apart from that, the 2.5 GHz model would also be problematic due to missing AGP port, as this would require Radeon R500 (or nVidia) drivers.

    http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7648&forum=3&start=14


    You are mixing Early 2005 model with Late 2005. Early one has an AGP port obviously:

    http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.7_dp.html
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    woh is very very interesting!!! but i think first than any G5 support, MorphOS need support for vertex shaders for R200 & R300 in this moment.

    Fantastic news of course about G5 :)
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    >>> Shipping a 2.5 or 2.7 might also be problematic (leaking liquid-cooling-system)

    >> Apart from that, the 2.5 GHz model would also be problematic due to
    >> missing AGP port, as this would require Radeon R500 (or nVidia) drivers.

    > You are mixing Early 2005 model with Late 2005. Early one has an AGP port obviously:
    > http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.7_dp.html

    I'm not mixing anything. I was referring to Kronos' mention of the 2.5 GHz model, which has no AGP port. There is no other 2.5 GHz model than the "late 2005" one.
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    I'm not mixing anything. I was referring to Kronos' mention of the 2.5 GHz model, which has no AGP port. There is no other 2.5 GHz model than the "late 2005" one.


    Seems someone ruffled through TheWolf's link-database:
    http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.5_dp.html

    *g*
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    I'm not mixing anything. I was referring to Kronos' mention of the 2.5 GHz model, which has no AGP port. There is no other 2.5 GHz model than the "late 2005" one.


    Yes, you are mixin it. Kronos provided you a proper link to Early 2005 model which is 2.5Ghz and which has an AGP port.
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    Kronos provided you a proper link to Early 2005 model which is 2.5Ghz and which has an AGP port.


    Since we are in the buisness of pointless nitpicking (aka Wolfmode), that more like a mid 2004 model ....
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    Oh man I want this, but the timing couldn't be worse for me fincially. The end of the year wipes me out between birthdays, anniversary, x-mas etc etc...
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    Since we are in the buisness of pointless nitpicking (aka Wolfmode), that more like a mid 2004 model ....


    My bad. Better stop that now.
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    > Seems someone ruffled through TheWolf's link-database

    I'm not aware of any such database ;-)

    > http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.5_dp.html

    Thanks. Seems I forgot about that model.
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    > Yes, you are mixin it.

    You're right, I did. My bad. Thanks for making me aware of it.

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf On 2012/11/1 20:16 ]
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    Wow! This news makes me very happy. I have already sent a message to Pampers telling him that I already own a G5 PowerMac that I can donate to this project.

    I can send Mark Olsen (aka Big Foot) a dual 2.0GHz (air cooled) G5 PowerMac and pay for the postage to South Africa almost immediately. I only need to reassemble it, as I had taken it out of it's case, so I could put my dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac into the nicer case that the dual 2.0GHz G5 PowerMac had. I had purchased the dual 2.0GHz G5 first, because it was a very good price, then later, I found a dual 2.7GHz G5 model, so I purchased that as well.

    I will have to remove some of the RAM from my dual 2.7GHz G5, which I think has 6.5gb of RAM at the moment, and put at least 1gb of RAM back into the dual 2.0GHz G5 PowerMac to test it before shipping it to South Africa.

    I also am willing to find another dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac to donate and ship to Mark Olsen for this project, to insure that he also supports the fastest G5 PowerMac for this project, if he want the 2.7GHz G5 model, and it is necessary for him to support that model. I think that the models are so similar between the dual 2.0GHz and dual 2.7GHz models, that Mark may not need both models to do the port which will support both of them, but I am happy to find and purchase and ship him a 2nd G5 PowerMac, if that is what it will take to get MorphOS3.x ported to my dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac.

    With all the great things that happened for me at the 2012 AmiWest Show, and now this news about the potential porting of MorphOS3.x to the G5 PowerMac, I feel like Christmas has come early this year.

    This is a great boost for me, just prior to me going into the hospital next Monday for my 2nd back surgery. I can't think of too many things that could have happened in the Amiga world that could have brightened my day more than reading this news. Thank you Pampers and Big Foot!

    Edit: Just to make my post even longer and more boring than it already is, I can confirm that there definitely is a dual 2.5GHz G5 PowerMac model with an AGP slot, as I also own one of those, which I purchased for parts and the possibility of repairing, as the motherboard only recognizes one of the two working 2.5GHz G5 CPU's. This will actually work fine as a MorphOS3.x computer, as MorphOS3.x can only recognize one of the two G5 CPU's anyway. I will be sending this G5 to one of the members here soon.

    [ Edited by amigadave On 2012/11/1 14:14 ]
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    hhhmmm even bigger box morphos machine ... where are my zlottis ?
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    Tiny donation made. I hope to donate a less embarassing amount soon.

    [ Edited by redrumloa On 2012/11/1 19:47 ]
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    Great (and unexpected) news!

    As much as I'm all for jumping architecture sooner rather than later, it seems a good idea to have some 'Power' machines available in the meantime, especially if they are low-hanging fruit.
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    Can someone please set up a "buyer's guide"?

    (I cannot believe I am writing this - and again, it's before Christmas...)
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    Can someone please set up a "buyer's guide"?

    (I cannot believe I am writing this - and again, it's before Christmas...)


    Since Big Foot has specified that the bounty will only include a single model of the G5 PowerMac, I would suggest that you wait until the bounty is complete and reports are made on which models it will work with, or you wait at least until we find out which model is being shipped to Big Foot, so you can purchase the same one as the one he will be working on while doing the port.

    I suggest waiting until the port is finished, unless it is the dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac model that is shipped to Big Foot. Then if you want to try to find one of those to purchase, you should be safe that the port will support that model and hopefully all the models with AGP slots for video that came before the dual 2.7GHz G5 model.

    Safest bet is to wait until it is finished.
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    Can someone please set up a "buyer's guide"?

    (I cannot believe I am writing this - and again, it's before Christmas...)


    A quick tutorial mate:

    1. Go to that page: http://morphos.pl/projekt.php?projekt=11

    2. Next to the paypal button called "Przekaz darowizne" just edit the amount you want to pay in - 1 euro is about 4 polish zloty.

    3. After typing amout, click on the button "Przekaz darowizne"

    4. Log in to your PP account

    5. Just send it :)

    Thanks!
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    A quick tutorial mate:

    1. Go to that page: http://morphos.pl/projekt.php?projekt=11

    2. Next to the paypal button called "Przekaz darowizne" just edit the amount you want to pay in - 1 euro is about 4 polish zloty.

    3. After typing amout, click on the button "Przekaz darowizne"

    4. Log in to your PP account

    5. Just send it :)

    Thanks!


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    [ Edited by Megander On 2012/11/2 10:35 ]
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    I want to support this bounty but paypal is a problem for me. If there's an Australian on this forum willing to act as a middle man, please let me know via PM or email.

    [ Edited by ausPPC On 2012/11/3 7:24 ]
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    Collecting 3k euros will take some time, the same with sending machine over to South Africa.


    Collecting the bounty may take some time, on the other hand, AmigaDave purchased a G5 for Mark and its already been shipped to David.
    All he has to do is send it on to South Africa.
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    ..but now the question: why the M9747 (Dual G5@2.0GHz) and not the M9749 (Dual G5@2,7GHz) that is the fastest one and the one that Bigfoot owned in the past and where he already showed MorphOS running?


    Good question. That was never set in stone. Nor is it limited to that model (remember Pega-1 demoed an iMac).
    The computer David bought was a dual 2.7, as he already owns a 2.0 that meets the bounties specs.
    I believe it is his intention to send first one, then the other (spaced about a month apart because the shipping really is pretty costly).

    [ Edited by Jim On 2012/11/3 0:46 ]
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    Well, I guess it's Fraggle Time


    Paypal said I have to verify my account to send that kind of money :-/
    So I have to wait for a couple of days first...
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    Paypal said I have to verify my account to send that kind of money :-/
    So I have to wait for a couple of days first...


    That's why we love them so much, don't we? ;)
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    Damnit Jim,

    You have got to stop repeating what I write to you in "Private" emails!

    Emails are private communications between the people they are addressed to.

    I hate to call you out in public like this, but this is the third or fourth time you have done this to me.

    I appreciate our friendship and don't want to feel that I can't share anything with you via email any longer, but you are making it very difficult for me.

    Please respect my privacy and never repeat anything that I email to you without asking me first, or unless I tell you in writing that it is okay to quote any of my emails to you.
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    Amigadave: At the beggining I was bit mad as well when I saw Jim's posting but after that I just thought - that whole situation seems to be a little bit exciting for some of us so relax :)
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    Amigadave: At the beggining I was bit mad as well when I saw Jim's posting but after that I just thought - that whole situation seems to be a little bit exciting for some of us so relax :)


    Like I said (or meant to say) in my message below, I am not so much mad, as I am disappointed and don't want it to happen again.

    Jim is a friend that I appreciate and want to keep, but I posted in public my disappointment with the idea that he would realize how it feels to have something revealed in public without your permission, and maybe he will remember next time.

    I can't be mad at him too much, this is a very exciting project, as you can tell by my level of involvement and willingness to donate.
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    Fraggle, I hope it all goes as planned... Eventually.

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    Fraggle, I hope it all goes as planned... Eventually.

    Paypal, the faster, easier way to get your account suspended.


    That's why I've already requested all donations to be transferred to my safe bank account. You will never know with PayPal...
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    On the other hand, IMO, not much harm done except emotional ;)

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    Amigadave: I can't be mad at him too much, this is a very exciting project, as you can tell by my level of involvement and willingness to donate.


    David has a point as a few of us have occasionally been required to withhold specific information until it was appropriate to announce it.

    I wasn't thinking.

    But those that know me well, know I generally won't broadcast/disclose info without permission.

    Sorry.
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    But those that know me well, know I generally won't broadcast/disclose info without permission.

    Sorry.


    I made too big a fuss about the whole thing. Probably because of the stress I was under, prior to my surgery, which was only a few days after you made your post.

    You are a great asset to this community Jim, with your donations of gear for programmers and MorphOS Dev. Team members, plus your offer to purchase and convert PC video cards for use in Mac computers, so many MorphOS users can buy converted R300 based video cards, in preparation of the soon to be delivered updated 3D drivers for MorphOS3.x. Your work and willingness to sell your R300 video cards at cost plus postage, offering your experience and re-flashing of BIOS files for free, is a great asset to the community.

    I doubt I would repeat my actions today, so I am sorry for making such a big deal about your temporary slip of the typing fingers, with regard to revealing info I had shared in an email to you. Specially since it was info that was soon to be released anyway and no real harm was done.

    My state of mind was not normal on the day I wrote my disappointment with your posting. Sorry Jim. I made a big deal out of almost nothing.
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    I have possibility to take a Powermac G5 dual 2.3GHz. Is it a supported model?

    PegasosII "Elite" Machine --> PowerMac MDD "popular" Machine --> MacMini 1.5 "still more popular" Machine
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