Bounty proposal
Poll: Who wants a good word processor
Ended on 28.09.2012 - 04:59:30
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Fraggle
    Posts: 203 from 2012/9/2
    Yep, I was just looking for a free coder to write a MOS native(no ports) and in the MorphOS spirit.

    I`ll personally start this one off with 2000 euro
    Fraggle
  • »21.09.12 - 04:59
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    hooligan
    Posts: 1948 from 2003/2/23
    From: Lahti, Finland
    I was under impression that Google Docs already works on OWB
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  • »21.09.12 - 05:13
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Fraggle
    Posts: 203 from 2012/9/2
    Does it satisfy people, is it enough?

    If so I withdraw the thread thread
    Fraggle
  • »21.09.12 - 05:44
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12073 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > a MOS native(no ports) and in the MorphOS spirit.

    http://downloads.morph.zone/find.php?find=scriba
  • »21.09.12 - 08:21
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    amigadave
    Posts: 2794 from 2006/3/21
    From: Northern Calif...
    I wonder if Scriba is better than Cinnamon Writer, or which one is further along. I haven't really tested either of them, but I know that Cinnamon Writer can import and export the docx format. Not sure if I saw that format in the list for Scriba, or not.

    Edit: Printing capabilities is important to me, so which ever of these two word processors has the best printing output would make it my choice. I need to contact the Cinnamon Writer author again and see how he is progressing with it and if the MorphOS version is up to date with the OS4.x version.

    [ Edited by amigadave 20.09.2012 - 23:44 ]
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  • »21.09.12 - 08:39
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12073 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > I know that Cinnamon Writer can import and export the docx format.
    > Not sure if I saw that format in the list for Scriba, or not.

    "In version 0.7.0 the OpenXML-importmodul (.docx) [...] have been added."
    http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2012-09-00043-EN.html
  • »21.09.12 - 09:07
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  • Jim
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    Jim
    Posts: 4977 from 2009/1/28
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    Fraggle,
    Quote:

    Does it satisfy people, is it enough?

    If so I withdraw the thread thread


    I use Goggle docs. I particularly like that I can import PDF files and that Goggle stores my documents allowing access from anywhere.

    But, when Cinnamon Writer is available I'll be buying a copy.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
  • »21.09.12 - 15:25
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Fraggle
    Posts: 203 from 2012/9/2
    So maybe 1000 euro his way would help guarantee a MOS version right alongside the OS4 version?

    I`ll ask him...
    Fraggle
  • »21.09.12 - 15:52
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    maurensen
    Posts: 358 from 2003/10/3
    From: Padova - Italy
    A up to date version of AminetRadio would be cool... If you have some spare money for AmigaZeux I'll vote for this... :-)
    But hey, again, it's your money so it's up to you!
    Whatever you choose Fraggie, thanx to support MorphOS community mate!
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  • »21.09.12 - 15:56
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Fraggle
    Posts: 203 from 2012/9/2
    I want to go for stuff we REALLY need like drivers and essential apps etc...Iff AmiNetRadio works on OS4emu then that`s fine for now...
    Fraggle
  • »21.09.12 - 16:07
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12073 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > Iff AmiNetRadio works on OS4emu then that`s fine for now...

    It works without OS4Emu even ;-)

    http://downloads.morph.zone/find.php?find=aminetradio
  • »21.09.12 - 16:11
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Fraggle
    Posts: 203 from 2012/9/2
    So no point dropping large coin on that than...
    Fraggle
  • »21.09.12 - 16:18
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    connor
    Posts: 570 from 2007/7/29
    Any online word processor is no alternative. You don't want your grandma's letters be stored somewhere on the net and let Google or Zoho or whomever make money out of it or "just" read them. So we need a good WP application.

    While I very much appreciate your effort investing in MOS applications to get a better usage and more programs, please check out Cinnamon Writer and Scriba before you throw money down the drain. Evaluate them yourself and see whether you think they are worth it. Both are lightyears away from being stable and usable, putting the speediness totally aside. And seeing the Scriba's author backlog I doubt his release will ever come to a usable state as none of his older and a lot smaller "programs" ever got that far. I always vote for native applications but in this case and seeing what and who is available I think the money is better spent for someone (semi-)professional porting AbiWord or the like. Pagestream could have been a good choice for most of us but sadly it is stalled and buggy for years, so no new version is in sight either.

    BTW: I wonder why all the bounty proposals have the same thread name instead of the poll's name. Should be fixed.
  • »21.09.12 - 17:50
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    runequester
    Posts: 106 from 2010/1/11
    Google Docs in my opinion is not really an alternative.

    I'd prefer native over porting, but something i nthe spirit of abiword would be good:

    Can import open/libreoffice and ms office documents, export to pdf, runs light, proper mui of course.

    Scriba is promising but simple, and final writer is great... if you don't intend to interact with the rest of the world.
    Amiga 1200 and G4 MDD MOS as my main computers.
  • »21.09.12 - 17:54
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  • jPV
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    jPV
    Posts: 2026 from 2003/2/24
    From: po-RNO
    I think many would like an updated SMBFS, which would work with most of the NAS drives and well.. with those newer Windozes too. That could be couple of coins worth...

    And AmiNetRadio gets obsolete when Reggae gets few more decoders, Jukebox is just fine player for it :)

    As for word processing, I'd like some newer local app too. I don't like the idea of using some online app... But OTOH, Final Writer does for my simple needs still :)

    [ Edited by jPV 21.09.2012 - 19:05 ]
  • »21.09.12 - 18:03
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    zukow
    Posts: 642 from 2005/2/9
    From: Poland
    I use google docs, export to pdf and print with vpdf. For OCR i use google docs too (plus my SCANdal). I even ported tesseract but google docs are easier to use.

    If we want to have word processor i vote for Papyrus office, i talked once with guy from Titan about fixing Papyrus code but i didn't have time.
    Looking at Scriba progress i can tell that it should be at google-docs level within one or two years so it's better to spend time on porting LibreOffice or fixing Papyrus. Sensible word processor can't be written by one man in short time.
  • »21.09.12 - 18:53
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Fraggle
    Posts: 203 from 2012/9/2
    If papyrus is the best chance then I`ll offer him the money shall I?
    Fraggle
  • »21.09.12 - 21:36
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  • MorphOS Developer
    zukow
    Posts: 642 from 2005/2/9
    From: Poland
    PAyprus is commercial software by Titan Computer (actually, it's a port but mui based)
    http://www.titan-computer.com/

    I don't know if Titan is still interested in supporting Morphos/Amiga. We can ask. If Yes, we should look for some decent developer who can take this project or ask Titan Computer for opening Papyrus sources (like poseidon stack was opened by Platon).
  • »21.09.12 - 21:51
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12073 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > ask Titan Computer for opening Papyrus sources (like poseidon stack
    > was opened by Platon)

    The difference is that Platon was the sole owner of the Poseidon source code, whereas Titan has licensed big parts from the original owner of Papyrus.
  • »21.09.12 - 22:37
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    Senex
    Posts: 498 from 2003/2/17
    From: Hannover / Ger...
    Alternatively, if still trackable (*), one could ask if the owners of FinalWriter still think their source code would be worth a fortune like when I did ten years before...

    (* = Maybe this guy is still around and knows about current contact possibilities.)

    Edit: Seems difficult, though.
  • »22.09.12 - 06:23
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Fraggle
    Posts: 203 from 2012/9/2
    I offered them 1000 euro - if that`s not enough for ancient code they can piss off because I still have to pay a MOS coder do the port with docx import etc...
    Fraggle
  • »22.09.12 - 06:46
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    amigadave
    Posts: 2794 from 2006/3/21
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    Edit: Offered who 1000 Euros for what? Final Writer source code? Papyrus? Something else? Edit2: As a long time user of Final Copy, Final Copy2, & Final Writer, I could be satisfied with a PPC MorphOS port of Final Writer, if it also had updated import/export features and solid printing capabilities.

    What ever you decide to support with programming money Fraggle, I strongly suggest that you hold on to your cash until the programming is completed and you can test the final product yourself.

    Unless you want to take the chance of hiring a programmer to do "X" amount of coding for a price and have no guarantee what you will end up with when he is finished.

    Most programmers who create, or port software for/to MorphOS3.x do so in their spare time, so holding the money back until the project is finished is not a hardship on them. They just get a lump sum at the end, if/when they are able to complete the project. This is how 99.9% of all software bounties are setup, so it is not something new I am proposing, and I am just trying to protect you from yourself and someone who might try to take advantage of your generosity and eagerness.

    Like some of the others that have posted in this thread, I would prefer a native MorphOS3.x word processor program, instead of a port of a Linux, or Windows/Mac program, but I would also prefer a port of an existing program instead of an Online solution. Google Docs is a good temporary solution, until a proper native word processor, or a port of another word processor or office suite can be completed.

    Thanks for your willingness to donate toward a bounty to get us a native MorphOS3.x word processor, or office suite. As soon as the choice is made and a bounty is set up, I will also donate toward it (much smaller amount of course).

    [ Edited by amigadave 21.09.2012 - 21:53 ]
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  • »22.09.12 - 06:47
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Fraggle
    Posts: 203 from 2012/9/2
    Don`t worry, I know what I`m doing - the only person who has actually received money from me me is Mark Olsen (who I think we can trust:-)

    As well as the 1000 euro I put in the EAUE-JIT bounty which I consider `safe`.

    Frags
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  • »22.09.12 - 06:56
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Zylesea
    Posts: 2053 from 2003/6/4
    I think for Finalwriter it would be worth to collect an ammount community wide. It's a good program and if sources would be made available that could really lead to something. (if it doesn't work with FW, replace the word "Finalwriter" with "Wordworth" and do the same).

    The Papyrus Office thing has probably some legal issues. AFAIK Titan only had a permission for porting, they are probably not authorized to hand out sources.

    Cinnamon is pretty basic and it's progression is rather slow. But Mr. Desler is interested in versions for MorphOS and AROS though. A while ago I got access to some sourcecode files of CW and took a look into getting it to MorphOS, but actually had my difficulties with it and messed up a few things and decided to retry that (maybe) a bit later again.

    Scriba is developing fast, but still at a very early stage. Best thing to help Carsten is probably testing his releases and giving feedback.
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  • »22.09.12 - 09:29
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Fraggle
    Posts: 203 from 2012/9/2
    No reply yet but I could do with help contacting the FW people if anyone has any leads.
    Fraggle
  • »22.09.12 - 10:11
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